Joe Biden Thread

[Hammerhead]

I think Trumps told barr to find crimes committed by Obama, Hillery, Comey and others. There's a report coming he says shows there crimes.



Its not like Trump doesn't deserve jail time. All of us would be locked up for far less.

 

['Boogieman']

I think Trumps told barr to find crimes committed by Obama, Hillery, Comey and others. There's a report coming he says shows there crimes.



Its not like Trump doesn't deserve jail time. All of us would be locked up for far less.

If we had classified information on a private server we would be in jail for mishandling classified information. Hilarious you think it's ok for your side to get away with everything. Trump won't be charged for anything, I bet money on it.

 

[armedoldhippy]

if Biden wins he will pardon Trump. thats how it works. you campaign how you gonna take the law breakers, torturers and war criminals down. as soon as you are in the white house you issue any pardons needed to keep the previous administration from facing any consequences.

even Obama never went after bush for his war crimes, Trump never went after Obama for his world wide drone murder program. i predict the same thing will happen, the lawyers will say, oh nice more presidential power, not giving that up. let Trump be pardon.

the left will freak out and get loud, but it won't matter a fig. mark my words. if any president holds the previous one accountable thats it, every president will be in trouble from then on. they won't let it happen. last thing the deep state want is to put limits on the presidents executive power by actually holding 1 of them accountable.

POTUS cannot pardon crimes prosecuted by states, it has to be a federal offence. if the tax folks in NY get a conviction, he WILL serve that time.

 

['Boogieman']

POTUS cannot pardon crimes prosecuted by states, it has to be a federal offence. if the tax folks in NY get a conviction, he WILL serve that time.

Let's make a bet, I have $500 that says Trump never goes to jail.

 

[gaiusmarius]

POTUS cannot pardon crimes prosecuted by states, it has to be a federal offence. if the tax folks in NY get a conviction, he WILL serve that time.

thats interesting, maybe the powers that be will be ok with prison time for an ex president if it's for tax and nothing to do with war crimes, regime change and or assassination programs killing American citizens.

still, i think it's a long shot. there will be wheeling and dealing to stop it. imagine how it looks if America joins the club of nations that lock up previous presidents. justified or not, it looks kinda banana republic.

hard to predict though, much is happening for the first time right now, so nothing is impossible.....

 

[Cool Moe]

Let's make a bet, I have $500 that says Trump never goes to jail.

Will need some long odds on that, he's rigged the game by stacking the federal judiciary with hundreds of unqualified judges bestowed lifetime appointments. Their debts of gratitude will be returned by issuing decision after decision favorable to Trump. I'll put up $50 against your $500 on the slim chance he gets convicted in the SDNY.

 

[Hammerhead]

If we had classified information on a private server we would be in jail for mishandling classified information. Hilarious you think it's ok for your side to get away with everything. Trump won't be charged for anything, I bet money on it.

I have no side. Im not sure why you think that just because I think Trumps a Crooked incompetent moron. If your referring to Hillery how many investigations need be done to show no crimes.?. No clue what classified info your referring to. All that BS was just petty nonsense.

 

['Boogieman']

I have no side. Im not sure why you think that just because I think Trumps a Crooked incompetent moron. If your referring to Hillery how many investigations need be done to show no crimes.?. No clue what classified info your referring to. All that BS was just petty nonsense.

The FBI assessed that she mishandled classified information but decided not to charge her. Comey was corrupt, Bill Clinton meets Loretta lynch on the tarmac to discuss "grandchildren". The fix was in everyone's face.

 

[Hammerhead]

The FBI assessed that she mishandled classified information but decided not to charge her. Comey was corrupt, Bill Clinton meets Loretta lynch on the tarmac to discuss "grandchildren". The fix was in everyone's face.

Its all petty political nonsense. But nothing Trumps done was Criminal ?. Its been proven he has committed crimes. You believe Trumps innocent of everything. The man is a proven crook..,

 

[Amynamous]

The FBI assessed that she mishandled classified information but decided not to charge her. Comey was corrupt, Bill Clinton meets Loretta lynch on the tarmac to discuss "grandchildren". The fix was in everyone's face.

Comey is and always has been a republican.
His actions clearly benefited trump more than Hillary. Announcing the re-opening of a criminal investigation into Hillary days before the election moved the needle away from Hillary. As it turned out, the re-opened investigation went nowhere and was based on nothing new. Meanwhile, Comey and his team were investigating trump and those associated with his campaign, and Comey never mentioned THOSE investigations until after the election.
hmmmm.......

 

[Cannavore]

Trump will be rehabilitated by liberals in 20 years just as they did with GWB.

 

['Boogieman']

Comey is and always has been a republican.
His actions clearly benefited trump more than Hillary. Announcing the re-opening of a criminal investigation into Hillary days before the election moved the needle away from Hillary. As it turned out, the re-opened investigation went nowhere and was based on nothing new. Meanwhile, Comey and his team were investigating trump and those associated with his campaign, and Comey never mentioned THOSE investigations until after the election.
hmmmm.......

Are you kidding me, he signed the warrants based on the Russian dossier that he knew was propaganda and was the reason why Mueller started the investigation.

 

[Amynamous]

Are you kidding me, he signed the warrants based on the Russian dossier that he knew was propaganda and was the reason why Mueller started the investigation.

Some people believe the investigation started with george papadopoulos.
While entertaining, the dossier was relatively unimportant.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/...-investigation-began-george-papadopoulos.html

 

[aridbud]

Some people believe the investigation started with george papadopoulos.
While entertaining, the dossier was relatively unimportant.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/...-investigation-began-george-papadopoulos.html

The heavily redacted documents released comprise an application to, and subsequent renewals by, judges on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court allowing the FBI to investigate Page, a foreign policy aide to the Trump campaign. But it's already been established by the House Intelligence Committee that the Russia investigation began after the FBI learned that another campaign aide, George Papadopoulos, had been approached by a Russian agent. The agent told Papadopoulos the Russians had incriminating information about Hillary Clinton, including emails, according to court documents.. Papadopoulos then mentioned to an Australian diplomat that the Russians had "dirt" on Clinton, the Australians contacted the U.S. government, and the FBI began to take a look.

The so-called dossier formed only a smart part of the evidence used to meet the legal burden of establishing "probable cause" that Page was an agent of Russia.

The released documents contain dozens of pages that are entirely blacked out. People who have read them, including Rep. Adam Schiff, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, say they contain secret evidence establishing ties between Page and Russians — evidence that goes beyond what was included in the dossier compiled by Christopher Steele. Frank Figliuzzi, the former FBI counterintelligence chief who is now an NBC News contributor, says that likely includes reporting from human sources and intercepted communications. Page, it should be said, denies that he was an agent of Russia and has not been charged with a crime.

Probable cause is much lower than the reasonable doubt the standard required to convict someone of a crime. "It's the probability of a possibility," said William Banks, director of the Institute for National Security and Counterterrorism at Syracuse University College of Law. Page had already appeared on the FBI's radar as a target of Russian intelligence recruitment in a separate spy case. He has acknowledged that he traveled to Moscow and met with Russian officials during the 2016 campaign. It would have been malpractice for the FBI, confronted with allegations that Page was helping the Russians, not to investigate, Figliuzzi says.

Andrew McCarthy, a former prosecutor and Trump backer, has argued that the dossier amounted to unverified hearsay, and that the FBI misrepresented that it had verified the information. But Figliuzzi and other former officials say the use of hearsay is common in warrant applications, because the FBI wants to tell the judge as much as possible about what is known about the target. No judge, however, would grant a surveillance warrant based entirely on hearsay, Figliuzzi said.

 

['Boogieman']

Some people believe the investigation started with george papadopoulos.
While entertaining, the dossier was relatively unimportant.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/...-investigation-began-george-papadopoulos.html

Can't read a New York Times article without paying but that biased news outlet will never see my money. Fact is the dossier was used as evidence which was illegal, documents were altered, and much much more to start the investigation which never amounted to anything.

 

[unclefishstick]

except for like 7-8 of trumps cronies being found guilty and the whole impeachment thing...aside from that,which seems like something,nothing happened!

 

['Boogieman']

except for like 7-8 of trumps cronies being found guilty and the whole impeachment thing...aside from that,which seems like something,nothing happened!

Found guilty for things that had nothing to do with Trump or Russia, and the Impeachment was about a phone call to Ukraine, had nothing to do with Russia lol.

 

[Badfishy1]

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_Finance_Report_FINAL.pdf

 

[Amynamous]

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_Finance_Report_FINAL.pdf

Im not in the mood to read 80something pages of legal talk as i need to begin dinner, but did the senate investigation find anything illegal?
Have they/will they charge anyone with any crimes?

 

[unclefishstick]

Im not in the mood to read 80something pages of legal talk as i need to begin dinner, but did the senate investigation find anything illegal?
Have they/will they charge anyone with any crimes?

no,they didn't find anything or recommend charges...it made things "awkward"...like doing a bogus investigation and finding nothing awkward!