ISO to bind dry power?

[Stoner133]

I have run into a problem, my Bubblebags have produced some fine power. I have worked it with lots of pressure using a spoon and steel bowl, left it to sit in the Sun to get warm and still nothing will stick together.

The though occurred to me, a small amount of ISO 99% should dissolve enough resin to let me work the hash.

Anybody tried this or have other suggestions....

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After some research and testing, Vodka has proven to be an excellent blending and binding agent.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=493843#post493843

 

[Verite]

Ick, why not try warmth and pressure?

 

[Stoner133]

I went back to working it in the Sun, had to keep taking a shade break so I don't prespire into the bowl.

It is making progress, turning a nice shade of brown and the aroma is right. I was able to compress most of it, but it sets into a rock hard ball, very brittle.

Burns well, lights up quickly and tastes great.

 

[Sub Nl]

Hi, please don't use iso 99%, bad idea and not healthy.

I'd make BHO, and then mix that powder with it to make jellyhash.

Or I'd use a clamp, Vice, Shoe, Etc. + breathable cellophane.

Pressure is better than heat, ie mild pressure alone will work with high quality.

sub

If it brittles easy, doesn't sound like you burst resin glands to act as a natural binding agent. that's what hash is about. otherwise it's kif or polm.

 

[Stoner133]

I was getting some good action once the Sun had warmed it up enough.

One suggestion was to use my microwave to heat the hash for further pressing.

Thank for the input on ISO, I use it to clean up my tools and was getting pretty frustrated when my hash wouldn't form.

 

[Sub Nl]

microwave?? lol stoners. please no

no, lol.

sub

lots of good ideas for pressing hash in theses forums, have a search. no iso, and no microwave, and no hair brain ideas. good luck.

 

[bluebublelove]

microwave will, from my experiance cook your kief, like a vaporizer.....I heard it suggested and its my belief too that you will be better off making bho and mixin your kif with your oil and makin jelly.....

 

[jimbob420]

just throw it in some butter or a vaporizer and dont press it...if it wont press it is probably pretty low grade shit anyway

 

[Stoner133]

Thank for input on the microwave, I had doubts about that too.

As mentioned, I was able to get enough heat from the Sun to transform the kif into hash. Very dense and brittle, but still decent hash.

I am surprised it turned out that dry. In the past, I have been able to work it easy and produced some fine quality hash.

The trim came from my LUI, well above the shit grade.

 

[JollyGreenGiant]

I don't think he was knocking your strain used but perhaps saying that the product you have could use some refinement. i.e. if it's not sticking it might have some plant matter mixed in. But if it tastes good and gets you lifted who's to knock it?

 

[jimbob420]

were the trich fully matured? how do you know it was fine quality did u look at it under a microscope or magnifyer?

 

[Stoner133]

were the trich fully matured?...

The plants are Legends Ultimate Indica and were densely packed with tricromes.

They were fully mature after 66 days of flowering. The buds are rich in tricromes, really sticky while trimming up. You could bond aircraft parts with that stuff.

The trim was well dried, perhaps too well is my thought. I can tell you too, there was nearly no popcorn bud, all leafy trim.

It occurred to me, I got my best hash results after salvaging mouldy plants. The whole thing went into the bags without drying. That resulted in lots of sticky hash.

I am inclined to try using an electric iron with the hash folded in heat resistant plastic for further processing.





Bubblebag make collection simple and nearly foolproof. I am confidant the hash is near pure with little vegetable impurity.

 

[jimbob420]

if it was me I would

A) bubble bag it if there isnt that much
B) lots of trim then tumble it till every bit of kif is off then bho it

Just my opinion...wasnt tryin to know your stuff just wanted some more info ya know?

 

[glock23]

i would press it with a little water...indian style you could rub it into your palm with water and it should form charas...

 

[Stoner133]

I have the same thing with the second batch, very fine power that will not stick even under maximum pressure.

If I get a bright Sunny period, I will try solar heating again.

 

[gaiusmarius]

did you let it dry properly first, if not then that should be your first step. break it all up into small chunks and let them dry till they are real bone dry. now you can press it and it should stick without the risk of mold developing inside the lump of undried bubble hash.

i break it up like so to let it dry well...

 

[Chamba]

ice hash that dries up to be brittle and wonm't stay in a solid " hash" form is a sign the material was either vigorously over stirred, was low grade to begin with or not enough ice or cold water was used &/or metal blades instead of a wooden stick was used.

if you have to use anymore than thumb pressure into your palm to press dry sift together into a solid form, then that's nature's way of telling you should of stopped kiffing a few minutes earlier and so have a lower percentage of broken up veg matter and a higher percentage of trichomes/resin heads so it binds more easily...always monitor your fall through with a magnifying glass when dry sifting..or pinch a bit and press it together, if it forms into a hash easily, continue kiffing....the mag glass can also be used to check out if there are any remaining trics on the plant material too.


don't use water to press low grade kif....it might mold....if you have use a liquid, use a fine spray of whiskey to help bind the dry sift...for small amounts, use a spray of spit as you work your thumb into the hash.

 

[Verite]

I dont see what the prob is? I press it in the extra screen material and leave the patty shape as is. Then I set the patty on an old credit card and place it on top of my computer display and 1-2 days later its all dry.

 

[Stoner133]

Your input is much appreciated, thank you.

did you let it dry properly first...

I do not think drying is the problem. As suggested, the cakes were broken apart and left to dry before pressing began.

ice hash that dries up to be brittle and wonm't stay in a solid " hash" form is a sign the material was either vigorously over stirred, was low grade to begin with or not enough ice or cold water was used &/or metal blades instead of a wooden stick was used.

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There are a couple of possibilities raised here.

"vigorously over stirred" and "metal blades instead of a wooden stick" apply.

I have been used an electric blended with steel blades and returning for additional rounds of mixing after setting.

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if you have to use anymore than thumb pressure into your palm to press dry sift together into a solid form, then that's nature's way of telling you should of stopped kiffing a few minutes earlier and so have a lower percentage of broken up veg matter and a higher percentage of trichomes/resin heads so it binds more easily...

During my last season of hash making, using a very similar technique, I did get a soft and sticky result.

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if you have use a liquid, use a fine spray of whiskey to help bind the dry sift...

Whiskey, eh? Tricromes are partially soluble in Ethyl or Isopropyl alcohol. Whiskey is nearly 50% ethenol and 50% water. In either case, the alcohol should evoporate quickly, leaving behind a sticky mass.

That may achieve the desired effect, converting a bowl of dry powder into a workable mass.

 

[Stoner133]

I dont see what the prob is? I press it in the extra screen material and leave the patty shape as is. Then I set the patty on an old credit card and place it on top of my computer display and 1-2 days later its all dry.

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At this stage, the patties have already been broken up, resulting in the dry powder.

It would be possible to re-run the filters and get back to the compact patties, but this time, stop and enjoy it that way. I will keep that in mind as a back up plan, many thanks.

It didn't get hot enough to do any more pressing yesterday.

My next attempt will be with an electric iron with the powder sealed into heat resistant film packages. I hope to get enough heat and pressure to do the job.