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Is this the start of a problem?
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Whats your soil ph? whats your enviorment? If feeding what and how much? What kind of light are you using? If mh/hps how close is it. I need more info. Its look like a combo of ph issues and other things related to questions I asked.
Doh, how silly of me to post a picture and expect an answer without other information. Sorry about that.
Under 138 watt CLFs
Medium - Expert Gardener's: Perfect Mix : Perlite : Vermiculite - 2:1:1 ratio
Not sure of the soil PH, but the water is 6.2-6.4
I water the plant once a day, no nutes yet other than what is contained in the soil.
Under 138 watt CLFs
Medium - Expert Gardener's: Perfect Mix : Perlite : Vermiculite - 2:1:1 ratio
Not sure of the soil PH, but the water is 6.2-6.4
I water the plant once a day, no nutes yet other than what is contained in the soil.
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looks like overwatering to me.
This is not a problem with ph or over watering, the plant you have is a mutant. I have several True Blueberry plants that look exactly like that. It may be too much of a nunt to produce much, but some mutants produce the most wild bud.
Hope this is helpful
-Always Learning
Hope this is helpful
-Always Learning
Just curious on what halmarks note that it is a mutant. I would like to learn so I could spot them in the future.
I will lay off watering for a day and see if it doesn't perk up. How often should I water that size container? I have been using a spray bottle until now.
I will lay off watering for a day and see if it doesn't perk up. How often should I water that size container? I have been using a spray bottle until now.
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AlwaysLearning said:
Unless thats a blueberry strain I doubt its related to genetics. Overwatering does look like it could be an issue. And if its a runt grow it out it may snap out of it. I cant tell the size of the container but dont water everyday man. go by the wait of the pot. when its dry it will feel a lot lighter than when its wet. You need to check the ph of the soil run off to.
your mixture is soiless so your ph looks to be off, also what is the npk of your plant, sice you water your plant everyday if it has pre relase ferts those ferts are burning your plants from you watering so much
http://www.expertgardener.org/Produ...ePottingSoil/PerfectMixAllPurposePottingSoil/
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Fast-release plant food gives plants a vigorous start.
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Colorcote slow-release plant food provides extended feeding up to 9 months.
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Beneficial micronutrients for beautiful plants.
So that would prove my theroy fast relaseing nutrients watering= big doses each watering. I would not use that mixture on plants that size, I can;t find a picture on what the NPK ratio is, can you tell me what the ratio us?
Have you tested the ph? Plants do not need to be watered everyday like that..... I am sure your plant has suffered some overwatering, but with the frequent overwatering and the pre release nutrients in the soil has caused nutrient burn to your plant.
It would be hard to get that plant to recover, I would use seed starting mixture on seedlings than after 2 1/2 weeks would bump it up to a stronger mixture.
Cause since you have saturated soil and the more you water the more its going to come out, but if you flush it right you will wash out all the pre relase ferts in the soil and when your plant recovers it won;t have much left in the soil and you will need to feed weekly with balanced out NPK ratio with micronutrients.
I would cut that plant and start a new and learn from this mistake....... don't use strong soil for seedlings and don't water your seedling everyday!
http://www.expertgardener.org/Produ...ePottingSoil/PerfectMixAllPurposePottingSoil/
Grows Three Ways!
*
Fast-release plant food gives plants a vigorous start.
*
Colorcote slow-release plant food provides extended feeding up to 9 months.
*
Beneficial micronutrients for beautiful plants.
So that would prove my theroy fast relaseing nutrients watering= big doses each watering. I would not use that mixture on plants that size, I can;t find a picture on what the NPK ratio is, can you tell me what the ratio us?
Have you tested the ph? Plants do not need to be watered everyday like that..... I am sure your plant has suffered some overwatering, but with the frequent overwatering and the pre release nutrients in the soil has caused nutrient burn to your plant.
It would be hard to get that plant to recover, I would use seed starting mixture on seedlings than after 2 1/2 weeks would bump it up to a stronger mixture.
Cause since you have saturated soil and the more you water the more its going to come out, but if you flush it right you will wash out all the pre relase ferts in the soil and when your plant recovers it won;t have much left in the soil and you will need to feed weekly with balanced out NPK ratio with micronutrients.
I would cut that plant and start a new and learn from this mistake....... don't use strong soil for seedlings and don't water your seedling everyday!
Ah thanks. Well can you recommend any sort of soil mixture from Lowes, Home Depot, or Wal-Mart that would work for my needs? Also where online could I pick up good organic nutes?
I'm going to keep the plant and water it less. I'm almost 100% certain that overwater is the cause of the problem I am seeing. It comes to mind now that I gave *much lazier* friend some spouts in this same soil mixture and they grew big with little-to-no problems. I'm pretty sure he watered his less than I do. Right now I am giving it a day or two break for watering and see if it doens't perk up. I'm not about to cut this plant, because it's my first and I want to try to make this work.
I'm going to keep the plant and water it less. I'm almost 100% certain that overwater is the cause of the problem I am seeing. It comes to mind now that I gave *much lazier* friend some spouts in this same soil mixture and they grew big with little-to-no problems. I'm pretty sure he watered his less than I do. Right now I am giving it a day or two break for watering and see if it doens't perk up. I'm not about to cut this plant, because it's my first and I want to try to make this work.
overwatering is what caused it, but the pre relase ferts in the soil is what is contributing to the problem you are seeing. Every time you water when you have pre release ferts nutrients come out but since you water everyday it;s like you are feeding your plants everyday......
Your plant is most likley not going to recover, you are better off starting over.
Using seed starting mixture is always good if you can't find it then getting a brand and mixing it with another brand to bring down the ferts in there if there is. You have to watch for soil mixtures that have peat moss because it's acidic and needs to have dolomite lime in to counter balance the ph to be safe for cannabis.
I use MG seed starting mixture for all my plants and mine have come out fine, people talk bad about the mixture, but like I say if your plants are having issues it's the growers mistake. Then when I transplant I use MG potting mixture but I have to dilute it with another brand because the pre release ferts that are added in there now are to strong..... so I add that with something like STA green or something and mix it 50 50 add lime bone meal and blood meal......
So it's really up to you which one you want to use, try to stay away frokm soils that have chemical pre release ferts, you are better off going for something with organics which won't burn the plant no where near as badly as chemical released ferts which are faster acting and are more readily available to the plant where organics are released at different rates depending on what organic is being used.
Your plant is most likley not going to recover, you are better off starting over.
Using seed starting mixture is always good if you can't find it then getting a brand and mixing it with another brand to bring down the ferts in there if there is. You have to watch for soil mixtures that have peat moss because it's acidic and needs to have dolomite lime in to counter balance the ph to be safe for cannabis.
I use MG seed starting mixture for all my plants and mine have come out fine, people talk bad about the mixture, but like I say if your plants are having issues it's the growers mistake. Then when I transplant I use MG potting mixture but I have to dilute it with another brand because the pre release ferts that are added in there now are to strong..... so I add that with something like STA green or something and mix it 50 50 add lime bone meal and blood meal......
So it's really up to you which one you want to use, try to stay away frokm soils that have chemical pre release ferts, you are better off going for something with organics which won't burn the plant no where near as badly as chemical released ferts which are faster acting and are more readily available to the plant where organics are released at different rates depending on what organic is being used.
Hey, I just wanted to post a picture of the plant now. Just to show the difference caused by watering the plant less than everyday.
This occurred before I held off on watering. Hopefully it will heal up some.
Also I checked my soil baggy and the numbers for N-P-K were 0.10 - 0.80 - 0.80. I know it is a bit late, but I just thought I'd post that up and see if it made a difference at all. Obviously the problems stemmed from the over-watering, but I think this soil could be a viable medium for these plants if treated correctly. I plan on keeping this plant and working with it for as long as I can. This is mainly a learning experience if nothing else, ya know?
This occurred before I held off on watering. Hopefully it will heal up some.
Also I checked my soil baggy and the numbers for N-P-K were 0.10 - 0.80 - 0.80. I know it is a bit late, but I just thought I'd post that up and see if it made a difference at all. Obviously the problems stemmed from the over-watering, but I think this soil could be a viable medium for these plants if treated correctly. I plan on keeping this plant and working with it for as long as I can. This is mainly a learning experience if nothing else, ya know?
You were right HazeToker, my mistake, looks like shooting from the hip with out reading all the information posted inst always the best approach, I will be more cautious in future hypothesis.
Always Learning.
Always Learning.
Sorry a little baked at the moment, here is a picture of a mutant. The most noticable halmarks are the 'crinkled' leaves and the often asymetrical growth patterns.
Hope this is helpful, happy growin!
-Always Learning
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Budless said:Hey, I just wanted to post a picture of the plant now. Just to show the difference caused by watering the plant less than everyday.
This occurred before I held off on watering. Hopefully it will heal up some.
Also I checked my soil baggy and the numbers for N-P-K were 0.10 - 0.80 - 0.80. I know it is a bit late, but I just thought I'd post that up and see if it made a difference at all. Obviously the problems stemmed from the over-watering, but I think this soil could be a viable medium for these plants if treated correctly. I plan on keeping this plant and working with it for as long as I can. This is mainly a learning experience if nothing else, ya know?
hey budless,, stitch is on with this one my friend.
if you're determined to save it, ya mite wanna
think of repotting it with a different mix. the results
will be better than what you have been gettin i'm
sure. good luck with it bud.
