Is the U.S. Becoming a Police State?

[Weird]

To Weird's Dead concert statement, we know the best of them "will steal your face right off of your head." The reason security and law and order ALWAYS take precedent over Peace and Love and Open-Mindedness is because no matter how evolved some free society or even a small population is, if it cannot defend itself in a manner that those who are less-evolved understand, that society and all that they espouse will be wiped from the Earth right after they finish up raping the kids and eating the tastier organs.

And to Hank Hemp, this is the rationale behind the Johnson and Nixon Presidencies. Quite simply, Vietnam was an unethical event before the shooting war ever started and we only mistakenly backed the French for no better reason than we were WWII allies. By being extremely hard-headed, Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and Nixon-Kissinger bombed Indochina "back to the stone age" then got us out of Vietnam.

The most intelligent sentients hide in plain sight, and manage to achieve their personal goals no matter what society they live in. It must be far more difficult to achieve goals in Syria than in the U.S. currently, but the ideal stands as stated.

What makes me think we currently live in a police state is the fact that our government through military intelligence and the CIA, makes promises to overthrow "corrupt" regimes to make problems for "ruthless dictators," then do nothing to install anyone else - preferring mass death to order. We saw this with the Marsh Arabs and Kurds in Iraq, Darfur, South Sudan, Congo, Rwanda, the shipping of guns to Mexico and the massive outbreak of violence there.

While we have been spoon-fed a new hatred for the Russians, it was our own diplomatic corps making plans and promises to violent protesters who were paid to overthrow Ukraine, but when the money was needed to insure free and fair elections some 5 years earlier, no one put up the cash- and the Russians did- and that was after the Orange Revolution. It was no oversight on the part of the U.S. So who are these unnamed people who are not elected, and hold high office through multiple U.S. Presidencies, and continually work black ops in the name of "freedom" while repeatedly spying on their own people and foreign leaders like Angela Merkel, Chinese company Huawei Technologies Co., our own Congressional reps and senators like Dianne Feinstein, recording every cell phone call and email through metadata tracking in the name of "marketing"? It might not be so bad if they weren't always getting caught, but that too works to undermine U.S. credibility. Yet this is the freedom our diplomatic corps promised the Ukrainians? Basically our diplomats got caught on video deciding who should be in a new government that was taken by masked men by force. Why is everyone vilifying Vlad for insuring Russian interests and the safety of ethnic Russian people as he watches officials of the U.S. say who could and couldn't be in the new illegal Ukrainian government?

In my opinion, what ever and whoever these un-elected decision makers are in control of the vast wealth of US taxpayers without an iota of responsibility to the General Accounting Office where we can see what the money is spent on, they are basically only interested in mass death, genocide, and human extinction. While it may sound hyperbolic, the facts that the news does cover- when stripped of commentary-- shows that genocides have increased over the last 250 years, and have become less far apart and closer together geographically.

While the Russians are in no way perfect-- the United States can no longer show proof of any type of informed foreign policy other than spend stolen tax payer money in the interests of genocide and human extinction. We talk a really good game about "Freedom," but unless your progenitors owned a plantation, a shipping company, an oil company, a railroad, or was some kind of monarchist royal, they aren't interested in you being "free."

The police just do their part so they can be last in line or get lucky and raised up.

just my 2 cents....

the dalai lama begs to differ

costa rica abandoned its military, know a few people there living the life that you claim is impossible

 

[recent guest]

"Police State" may end up being an accurate description, but I think more accurate to describe America as a State Capitalist society run by a small group of corporate oligarchs.

I posted about this in the Snowden thread but the truth is that what little is left of American democracy is being systematically and intentionally dismantled and very soon it will be beyond recovery.

Once that point is reached, and when America's general public then tries to recover their lost freedoms, finds that they cannot and turns to more violent forms of protest as civil unrest increases, THEN we may see a full authoritarian 'police state' crackdown.

Its beyond debate that all the infrastructure of a full blown police state has been put in place, though. Just waiting for someone to flip the 'on' switch.

 

[recent guest]

Here's what I mean. If you read the definitions of these three types of government, and pick the one that best describes America, it is also the form that is most likely to require a strong enforcement arm to subdue the population, ie, police state.

I mean, which of these ACTUALLY describes the way things are done here?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutocracy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

 

[SpasticGramps]

Fascist Corporate Oligarchy without a doubt. Been that way for 100+ years. Marine Corp Major General Smedly Butler stated this case explicitly before he died in 1940.

As in any centrally planned state we have progressed towards the typical authoritarian shithole that warring bankrupt hegemonic empires usually devolve into. The apathetic and programmed citizenry cheers for their servitude, exploitation, and eventual destruction with great fervor. Their defense of the status quo parallels how a person suffering from Stockholm Syndrome identifies with their abuser. We are completely obsessed with the minutia of how we should be raped by our leaders, rather than actually stopping said practices.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Why are you asking me? is this conversation being recorded?
I bet it is....
-SamS

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[RespectGreen]

Yes is my vote

 

[there goes edro]

Remember when this building symbolized freedom but unfortunately those days are long gone.

 

[TanzanianMagic]

Fascist Corporate Oligarchy without a doubt. Been that way for 100+ years. Marine Corp Major General Smedly Butler stated this case explicitly before he died in 1940.

The audio book of War Is A Racket is here:

(YOUTUBE) War is a Racket by USMC General Smedley Butler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8sUvpSdWfc

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

NO,
It has been one for years and years. Anyone that can't see it, is like the frog placed in a pot of boiling water would jump out, while if you put him in a pot of cold water and very slowly bring up the heat you can boil them alive.
All Americans that live full time in America are being boiled alive but they just can't tell....
I will not be put back in that boiling pot.
-SamS

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[stoned-trout]

I like deepfried froglegs

 

[bombadil.360]

the dalai lama begs to differ

costa rica abandoned its military, know a few people there living the life that you claim is impossible

just for information:

Actually, Costa Rica does have an army, the U.S army.

that is why they do not have an army, as they signed an agreement where U.S army can base themselves there in exchange for military protection.

so it is very misleading to think Costa Rica is some kind of armyless hippy paradise...

 

[stasis]

just for information:

Actually, Costa Rica does have an army, the U.S army.

that is why they do not have an army, as they signed an agreement where U.S army can base themselves there in exchange for military protection.
ountry without IT'S OWN Army
so it is very misleading to think Costa Rica is some kind of armyless hippy paradise...

It ain't perfect in CR, but where is..? Due to the desensitizing aspect of Human Nature, living in a country without IT'S OWN Army, The mindset of the people is one of neutrality, which is a good thing.