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Capra ibex
You are right, i agree the options i listed are not sufficient but i just wanted to see where the thread went.
I wanted other people's perspective.
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You are right, i agree the options i listed are not sufficient but i just wanted to see where the thread went.
I wanted other people's perspective.
YukonKronic
Active member
I agree with the part about assumptions in fact. I was presenting my own insights from my own experiences but it’s very true that a person doesn’t have to be “crazy” or “mentally unstable” to decide their quality of life is no longer worth the effort it takes to maintain said life.
I don’t mean lifestyle by that just to be clear. I am speaking of survival.
This is a good thread. Discussion is what helps people understand these things and it’s really great to see lots of opinions expressed without anyone being insulting or demeaning.
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pongster
personally i dont think S is selfish, or any other adjective for that case, only a person giving that adjective to the event is what it is... but the event itself is adjectiveless (i made that word up).
you see, all the things one has done has led to this exact point, like smoking weed, drinking coke with ice and posting on a forum... so it's kind of a dick to just compress everything into one or a few words, which mostly only represent the spectator's judgement on life's events and that specific relationship with this person... who is now a fertilizer for the future.
so my choice would be meh
cheers
you see, all the things one has done has led to this exact point, like smoking weed, drinking coke with ice and posting on a forum... so it's kind of a dick to just compress everything into one or a few words, which mostly only represent the spectator's judgement on life's events and that specific relationship with this person... who is now a fertilizer for the future.
so my choice would be meh
cheers
St. Phatty
Active member
Since we're talking about suicide, which is one form of death planning,
what would you think of having a thread about how you would like to be buried ?
I have 2 thoughts.
1 is to just put my body out at the top of a hill, for the animals - mountain lion, coyote, raccoons, etc.
The other is to put my body in the ground, so the animals have to work a little harder to get to it, with good organic sandy loam around it.
Then pour a slab of concrete on top and embed a few photographs, and a pile of favorite metal sculptures and machined parts, in the concrete.
I think I might want removable plugs in the concrete slab so seeds can be planted in the decomposing flesh, and grow through the holes in the concrete slab.
what would you think of having a thread about how you would like to be buried ?
I have 2 thoughts.
1 is to just put my body out at the top of a hill, for the animals - mountain lion, coyote, raccoons, etc.
The other is to put my body in the ground, so the animals have to work a little harder to get to it, with good organic sandy loam around it.
Then pour a slab of concrete on top and embed a few photographs, and a pile of favorite metal sculptures and machined parts, in the concrete.
I think I might want removable plugs in the concrete slab so seeds can be planted in the decomposing flesh, and grow through the holes in the concrete slab.
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Capra ibex
Since we're talking about suicide, which is one form of death planning,
what would you think of having a thread about how you would like to be buried ?
I have 2 thoughts.
1 is to just put my body out at the top of a hill, for the animals - mountain lion, coyote, raccoons, etc.
The other is to put my body in the ground, so the animals have to work a little harder to get to it, with good organic sandy loam around it.
Then pour a slab of concrete on top and embed a few photographs, and a pile of favorite metal sculptures and machined parts, in the concrete.
I think I might want removable plugs in the concrete slab so seeds can be planted in the decomposing flesh, and grow through the holes in the concrete slab.
I just want a tree planted where i'm buried.
Hopefully it can be taken care of just long enough until it can survive on it's own, i think that's all i would ask.
TheDarkStorm
Well-known member
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Why dont you ask the child whos father ended up killing themselves wen the child was just one years old...why dont you ask him how he felt seeing his mother trying to do wat ever she cud just to keep him safe, alive, feed and clothed...why dont you ask him how he felt his whole life seeing his mother treated differently because she was on her own an a widow...why dont you ask him how he felt wen he herd the rumors about this person was responsible or so an so did nothing, or this aunty was trying to put pressure on the father to leave his wife(the childs mother) an remary wer the aunty wanted him to be married..why dont you ask him how he felt about seeing other children with a father, how the kids would say the went here with ther dad, or their dad bought them this..why dont you ask him wat forced that child to scour evry bit ov information on wat happened to his father an go as far as contacting the coroner involved in the case at 12 years old..why dont you ask him how he felt wen his mother never used to let him go out to play with his friends because she was so frightened that she would lose him too..iv seen the affect suicide can hav on people left behind...that child is a grown man now an calls his father a coward for leaving him an his mother to deal with the nonsense he shud hav delt with..that child wont even acknowledge his father but wud move heaven an earth for his mother..he now looks after his poor old mother an has given her the life she deserved...lucky iv given my short version..but im sure that child who is now a big man with his own family an children would say a whole lot more.
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Why dont you ask the child whos father ended up killing themselves wen the child was just one years old...why dont you ask him how he felt seeing his mother trying to do wat ever she cud just to keep him safe, alive, feed and clothed...why dont you ask him how he felt his whole life seeing his mother treated differently because she was on her own an a widow...why dont you ask him how he felt wen he herd the rumors about this person was responsible or so an so did nothing, or this aunty was trying to put pressure on the father to leave his wife(the childs mother) an remary wer the aunty wanted him to be married..why dont you ask him how he felt about seeing other children with a father, how the kids would say the went here with ther dad, or their dad bought them this..why dont you ask him wat forced that child to scour evry bit ov information on wat happened to his father an go as far as contacting the coroner involved in the case at 12 years old..why dont you ask him how he felt wen his mother never used to let him go out to play with his friends because she was so frightened that she would lose him too..iv seen the affect suicide can hav on people left behind...that child is a grown man now an calls his father a coward for leaving him an his mother to deal with the nonsense he shud hav delt with..that child wont even acknowledge his father but wud move heaven an earth for his mother..he now looks after his poor old mother an has given her the life she deserved...lucky iv given my short version..but im sure that child who is now a big man with his own family an children would say a whole lot more.
Green Squall
Well-known member
St Phatty. Your first choice sounds similar to a Sky Burial.
"Sky burial is a funeral practice in which a human corpse is placed on a mountaintop to decompose while exposed to the elements or to be eaten by scavenging animals, especially carrion birds. It is a specific type of the general practice of excarnation."
I'm not sure what I want, but have always leaned towards cremation with my ashes scattered, although I've been told there is room for me in a family plot lol. Apparently, back in the day when it was cheap, my grandparents bought a large spot in a cemetery.
"Sky burial is a funeral practice in which a human corpse is placed on a mountaintop to decompose while exposed to the elements or to be eaten by scavenging animals, especially carrion birds. It is a specific type of the general practice of excarnation."
I'm not sure what I want, but have always leaned towards cremation with my ashes scattered, although I've been told there is room for me in a family plot lol. Apparently, back in the day when it was cheap, my grandparents bought a large spot in a cemetery.
St. Phatty
Active member
Yeah, a tree growing with its roots intertwined around the slowly de-composing skeleton.
It would be nice to be at the base of a tree like the BIG one the blue people live in in Avatar.
Speaking of disposing of Flesh ... once I made the mistake of delaying cleaning up after butchering a cow in the driveway. Beginner mistake.
The weather was near freezing ... but you can't just cover it with a tarp and work on other parts of the garden for ... 4 weeks.
I wish I had a better microphone. The SOUND of 5 million maggots is pretty creepy. They do make a sound when there's 5 million of them squirming.
Fortunately, chickens like maggots.
Maggots are a definite crowd pleaser for birds.
I know the only reason suicide by cigarettes is legal. Because it's TAXABLE!
Well because it was mentioned,I'll add my friend died a
Bout e3 weeks ago so we scattered her ashes over her horse we buried in her horse stable.its what she wanted so I'm happy for her.all her final wishes were taking care of.she was 69 with stage 4 brain cancer.died holloween
Bout e3 weeks ago so we scattered her ashes over her horse we buried in her horse stable.its what she wanted so I'm happy for her.all her final wishes were taking care of.she was 69 with stage 4 brain cancer.died holloween
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Teddybrae
I thought it would be nice to feed a tree with my decomposing body. But why would I care? I'd be dead. No, more, I 'd be ashes to ashes, dust to dust.
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Teddybrae
Here we go off-thread again St. P
Listen, here's story from Australia about a sky burial:
Body up in a tree: Spirit closer to heaven and so the birds can scatter the flesh and giblets.
After the right amount of time the Tribe takes down the bones and scrapes them clean and prepares red ochre to dye the bones.
Then ceremoniously the ochred bones are hidden in sacred caves.
That's how an Indigenous mob (tribe) in Australia does it. There's no hymns by the way. There's no music. There's no mementos to associate the person with earthly things. There's only a cave-space for women and and separate cave-space for men.
While the bones are being prepared children might play around. Camp dogs wander by. What's the big deal? This person is simply going back to Earth ... where s/he came from.
Listen, here's story from Australia about a sky burial:
Body up in a tree: Spirit closer to heaven and so the birds can scatter the flesh and giblets.
After the right amount of time the Tribe takes down the bones and scrapes them clean and prepares red ochre to dye the bones.
Then ceremoniously the ochred bones are hidden in sacred caves.
That's how an Indigenous mob (tribe) in Australia does it. There's no hymns by the way. There's no music. There's no mementos to associate the person with earthly things. There's only a cave-space for women and and separate cave-space for men.
While the bones are being prepared children might play around. Camp dogs wander by. What's the big deal? This person is simply going back to Earth ... where s/he came from.
Since we're talking about suicide, which is one form of death planning,
what would you think of having a thread about how you would like to be buried ?
I have 2 thoughts.
1 is to just put my body out at the top of a hill, for the animals - mountain lion, coyote, raccoons, etc.
The other is to put my body in the ground, so the animals have to work a little harder to get to it, with good organic sandy loam around it.
Then pour a slab of concrete on top and embed a few photographs, and a pile of favorite metal sculptures and machined parts, in the concrete.
I think I might want removable plugs in the concrete slab so seeds can be planted in the decomposing flesh, and grow through the holes in the concrete slab.
it used to be a common practice in parts of India to place the deceased body on a tall platform and let the buzzards feast, but they can no longer do that as the buzzards have died off do to pesticides and the bodies just rotted. 
If someone has a terminal disease I have no problem with it.. Well to be fair I don't have a problem with what ever anyone decides to do or not do with their own life's. Freedom of choice and we are the masters of our own bodies.
My personal opinion on suicide because you're having a tough time is that it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
I speak as someone who has had depression on and off for decades. The thoughts come but more importantly they go.
My personal opinion on suicide because you're having a tough time is that it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
I speak as someone who has had depression on and off for decades. The thoughts come but more importantly they go.
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Capra ibex
Well, trees are nice, maybe i would have family members or friends who would like to say hi or whatever?
A grave with headstone is just a chunk of pretty granite but for whatever reason people visit them when they think of their loved ones who have passed away.
Is it egotistical to think like this? Maybe, but i don't really think so, not with a simple tree at least.
It's hardly a 'shrine' in honour of myself.
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xavier7995
It depends. Generally I am opposed, I think its crummy to do to people that care about you or that depend on you to take care of them. That said, I get it and think it's fine in some cases such as terminal illness. It's really a personal decision, I dont put a moral right or wrong judgement on it.
The only person I've known that I know killed himself, I only knew on the internet - but it was over a dozen years, before and after some prison. He might have been a member here. He died because he did not want to go back to prison. Is that cowardly? Well, the only reason why the police came after him was because he was too cool for the parole game and skipped town. So, he lived the outlaw life for 3 years until he was tracked down. The thing was, he saw them coming and got away - twice - and, according to the cops it was a complete accident he ran right to two city cops who were minding their own business and had no idea what was going on. He could have walked by them, but he saw them and thought he was cornered and at the end of the line. A lot of people on both sides of the law thought he had balls, but I'm not sure that qualifies as brave.
I have a picture up on my shelf next to my desk in my office. It's an old picture of me and my cousin Dennis Borowski taken in 1973 or 1975. 2 young bucks sitting shirtless on the back porch of my Ciocia Francis's bungalow ( aunt Francis ) down the Jersey shore with big smiles on our faces. Dennis and I were very close thru this period of life despite Dennis losing both his parents when a child. Weed figured prominently in helping him thru that which was a life long sadness.
A few years afterwards, several years after Dennis moved to "Santa Cruz California" to "follow the dead" ( he got 10lbs of real gold Colombian from me to bring with him in his green volkswagon beetle, to kinda tide him over for a spell ) and to "work on computers" ( ! ) yup,. this is probably circa 1979 or before when he left.
We lost touch when they sent me to prison for being a baaaad pot smuggler, but we re-hooked up some time afterwards with him in santa cruz and me fleeing at the time back to Ft Lauderdale. I spoke with him one night when he was so down, depressed and I remember asking him "if he had a few bucks" and when he asked me why I told him, well I can fly to mexico and you can fly to mexico and we can get drunk or something to which he finally told me why he was depressed ( I thought it was loss of a female which well was part of it ) he said that after so and so broke up with him he had sex with another woman ( My cousin looked like Greg Allman with the long blond hair and all ) and apparently caught something from her which wouldn't go away. One of the symptoms was blotches over his body so my offer of meeting him in mexico was out of the question because he said the sun would make it even worse. I don't remember what I said but I do remember this was about 2am my time and I was getting tired so I said think about it, I'll meet you anywhere cus. And then nigh nigh. About 2 hours later I was awakened from my sleep which I thought was a crank call so I hung up. The caller called back identifying himself as an officer with the santa cruz coroners office. Dennis had taken a 13 inch knife and pierced his own chest killing himself.
All those/these years I couldn't get my mind around that and I couldn't see how I would reach that point in my own life, that as long as I had a way to fight back......and this woman stole almost everything and so now I can understand how someone could reach that point.
Which is why I saw if there was a painless easy way................I looked into it in Europe but I have 3 cats left that need me so this is out of the question.
That woman who destroyed my life while I lay in bed after having 7 surgeries, all failed, is sitting less than 8 feet away from me as I type this post. She has lied to me about everything and has literally wiped me out financially ( I will be 65 in February ), I had enough to live the rest of my life AND I saved enough for her to do the same as it was my primary goal when we got married, because of the age difference but alas, she had other ideas.........
So I think about it yes. I even looked up if swallowing 100 or more 10mg percocets would do it but it apparently might destroy the liver and become unbelievably painful for a long time and that's not what I had in mind .......it's worse than prison where she sent me. If I had the health I could fight, but sometimes it's too painful for me to raise my arms to type damn it. I'm sorry to post this.
I can understand why Dennis did what he did. I never ever thought I would be in this position and certainly I never thought that the person I was married to would do something like this to me.........and then have the audacity to return, head shaved, now a "budhist monk" in training or whatever, then of course let it all grow back in and I have to endure this b/s.......my lawyer friend said she is psychotic and to be careful. How can anyone expect anyone else to want to live with something like this? No, I don't think it's cowardly and I am not a coward. Sometimes, maybe, hopefully, it's just what it is, another doorway out of the realm in which we currently reside.
A few years afterwards, several years after Dennis moved to "Santa Cruz California" to "follow the dead" ( he got 10lbs of real gold Colombian from me to bring with him in his green volkswagon beetle, to kinda tide him over for a spell ) and to "work on computers" ( ! ) yup,. this is probably circa 1979 or before when he left.
We lost touch when they sent me to prison for being a baaaad pot smuggler, but we re-hooked up some time afterwards with him in santa cruz and me fleeing at the time back to Ft Lauderdale. I spoke with him one night when he was so down, depressed and I remember asking him "if he had a few bucks" and when he asked me why I told him, well I can fly to mexico and you can fly to mexico and we can get drunk or something to which he finally told me why he was depressed ( I thought it was loss of a female which well was part of it ) he said that after so and so broke up with him he had sex with another woman ( My cousin looked like Greg Allman with the long blond hair and all ) and apparently caught something from her which wouldn't go away. One of the symptoms was blotches over his body so my offer of meeting him in mexico was out of the question because he said the sun would make it even worse. I don't remember what I said but I do remember this was about 2am my time and I was getting tired so I said think about it, I'll meet you anywhere cus. And then nigh nigh. About 2 hours later I was awakened from my sleep which I thought was a crank call so I hung up. The caller called back identifying himself as an officer with the santa cruz coroners office. Dennis had taken a 13 inch knife and pierced his own chest killing himself.
All those/these years I couldn't get my mind around that and I couldn't see how I would reach that point in my own life, that as long as I had a way to fight back......and this woman stole almost everything and so now I can understand how someone could reach that point.
Which is why I saw if there was a painless easy way................I looked into it in Europe but I have 3 cats left that need me so this is out of the question.
That woman who destroyed my life while I lay in bed after having 7 surgeries, all failed, is sitting less than 8 feet away from me as I type this post. She has lied to me about everything and has literally wiped me out financially ( I will be 65 in February ), I had enough to live the rest of my life AND I saved enough for her to do the same as it was my primary goal when we got married, because of the age difference but alas, she had other ideas.........
So I think about it yes. I even looked up if swallowing 100 or more 10mg percocets would do it but it apparently might destroy the liver and become unbelievably painful for a long time and that's not what I had in mind .......it's worse than prison where she sent me. If I had the health I could fight, but sometimes it's too painful for me to raise my arms to type damn it. I'm sorry to post this.
I can understand why Dennis did what he did. I never ever thought I would be in this position and certainly I never thought that the person I was married to would do something like this to me.........and then have the audacity to return, head shaved, now a "budhist monk" in training or whatever, then of course let it all grow back in and I have to endure this b/s.......my lawyer friend said she is psychotic and to be careful. How can anyone expect anyone else to want to live with something like this? No, I don't think it's cowardly and I am not a coward. Sometimes, maybe, hopefully, it's just what it is, another doorway out of the realm in which we currently reside.
