Is it really that complicated?

[TrichyTrichy]

'play nice' bipotato

 

[bipotato]

He started it...

 

[MaynardG_Krebs]

He started it...

Nope.. ur right.. he is an idiot. I'm sure he's a genius in his circles, and maybe has the most cronic weed in his neighborhood.. but in my neighborhood, he'd get laughed out of the house. You have good enough sense to weed out the idiots, you're on your way. Quality in is quality out.. I'm not saying you gotta spend 2k on nutes either.. as a matter of fact, if you play your cards right, you can grow your first batch (depending on size of course) without spending a dime on nutes and have top drawer product. Make your room, make it right, devise a plan and execute it with the best genetics you can get ur hands on.. and you will make good pot. Do it the 'idiots' way and you'll have pot that's better than mexican brown, but barely... ur going in the right direction.

mgk

 

[junior_grower]

You can have a room with 2000 watts pulling 4100grams per harvest, or the same room pulling 1000 grams. Your gonna do a lot of learning and some will not be the fun kind ( like why areo sucks balls if your not there daily to check on it).

 

[smokeymacpot]

i dont think anyone here is daft enough to use MG and only water, burns and deficiencies will show up very quickly and the plant would suffer. the point has been missed, that it is ALMOST that simple.
you only have to look at the picture i posted earlier, im pretty sure no one will comment and say its shit weed or that my feeding schedule is wrong, as its clear it isnt and i know what to do. it cost me almost fuck all to grow and i can also scale that up and grow much bigger plants and with no difference in yeild compared to someone who uses those hyped up 6 part "specialised"(haha) canna nutes.
the only complicated part is knowing how to read your plants(leaves tell you everything!) when and what to feed and if you get it wrong, how to correct it. once you learn that, its easy, seriously fucking easy and cheap.

 

[grapeman]

Nah, growing is simple. The only thing you have to do is cope with bad water, high and low temps, high humidity, pests of all sorts, security, odor, air circulation, power bills, nutrients, disposing of trash, hiding evidence, trimming, gene selection, nutrient selections, lighting concerns, reservoir maintenance and health, cleaning, foliar spraying, light leaks, sagging branches, re-ordering supplies, and about a hundred other things.

Piece of cake, I'm sure it doesn't cost more than $23.

LOL.

 

[jd4083]

i dont think anyone here is daft enough to use MG and only water, burns and deficiencies will show up very quickly and the plant would suffer. the point has been missed, that it is ALMOST that simple.
you only have to look at the picture i posted earlier, im pretty sure no one will comment and say its shit weed or that my feeding schedule is wrong, as its clear it isnt and i know what to do. it cost me almost fuck all to grow and i can also scale that up and grow much bigger plants and with no difference in yeild compared to someone who uses those hyped up 6 part "specialised"(haha) canna nutes.
the only complicated part is knowing how to read your plants(leaves tell you everything!) when and what to feed and if you get it wrong, how to correct it. once you learn that, its easy, seriously fucking easy and cheap.

like I said, MG organic choice is not a terrible soil and you could do a lot worse as a new grower

 

[vin marioni]

be the best asshole u can be bipotato, show us how diff it is for u, like i said excessve pride for growing a weed is a real sign of an advanced person.


care to school me on the miracles of growing?

ive been doing it for years, never had any problems. maybe its time i complicate things? maybe a 12 part feed schedule? ormus charged water put through a vortex? or should i go with coco, did already, was easy and meter free too i might add.



care to tell me how difficult it is for u. cause it certainly isnt for me, i do understand how to dip a rod(ph or ppp pen) in my solution, do i graduate to ''top shelf phd grwon weed'' then even though my eyes n knowlegde do the same thing without them. again peeps, not everyone is hand watering, if your doing a whole room with just a big 50 gallon res then yes meters come in handy. but were talking about how easy it is to grow , not how easy it is to grow 60 plants.

again, potency is in the genes, basic dirt, light with blue n red in it, basic water and your buds are as potent as they can be everytime period. now yeild sure can be increased various ways and strains can be learned perfectly over tiime with or without pens or readouts also i might add, and all the kinks can be ironed out .

smokeymacpot gets it, did u see his plant? and im not saying u shouldnt nute if u just run dirt, im simpy saying the pot will be just as potent though if u dont, there will just be alot less of it, spoon fed enough for u prideful weed growers? your wrong about mircale grow soil n just water burning your plants, totally wrong. but has a one of u tried it, nope. like 99 percent of all theese threads people have very little first hand experience of what they talk about, its all hersay. or people who rep the products making a post so fools rush out an buy stuff they dont need.

ive never understood the ego behind growing a weed? i guess some people have a hard time with it. but thats what u get if your to stupid to make your room comfertable for life, such as too hot, to cold, not enough fresh air, to much humidity etc. but theese are all common sense, and the meter is your own body, are u comfy in your room? if not then dont think weed will, wow this is brain surgery

maynard= u must be an idiot who luves his own voice to post and agree with just what i said, but your pride got in the way, boo hoo. cant really argue withsome who basically calls them self n idiot, after all u re wrote what i already had and claimed credit for it. stupido.
what can i do but poke fun of fickle pride.

with no nutes n just water ive seen from seed my girls go to a few ft in miracle soil in about a month, under 20ish watts of cfl light per plant. now if this bother u guys who spend 25 bucks for ffof good, i hope it does.
true they grow better under my hids but just making points. dirt that draines excellent, water thats drinkable(some places u have to buy water i realize) basic nutes, almost any will do and water at the end for a flush, bam u got top shelf dope. why this upsets u guys i dont get, but your support of the hydro stores brand new second hands via petrol based chems under a diff name then scotts or miracle grow keeps the industy alive and we all appriciate it, it draws alot of money in for the cause.

one thing to remember is this growing thing is life, and we all try are best but life is unpredictable an sometimes things go to shit and u waste the most prescious commodity, time , but u learn a lesson. viva la pride

 

[SnowyTreetops]

I'd rather buy from the grower who takes pride in his work. I'll pay extra for "excessive pride."

 

[vin marioni]

sii

 

[SnowyTreetops]

...assuming the quality reflects that pride.

You can produce quality smoke by just planting good genetics in rich soil, without feeding at all. So yeah if you're not concerned with efficiency it's not difficult to just water periodically and set a light timer. But converting a space into a light proof grow space with ventilation can be challenging.. Some of the grow boxes/rooms I have seen on this site are marvels of engineering. I'd say replicating the natural environments where exotic plants would thrive is a little more complicated than

are u comfy in your room? if not then dont think weed will

 

[bipotato]

be the best asshole u can be bipotato

Okay.

I can't expect some old-timer that's been growing in his closet or a few plants hidden away on the balcony or whatever to be fully aware of all the complications that can come up when you do this for more than just a "hobby". As a pure hobbyist, your results are rarely mission-critical and your livelihood will not be affected by lack of results.

Although I didn't want to have to say anything mean or uncomfortable to anyone, since you're basically asking for it, I'll do my best to deliver the message without tearing open any new orifices. And I will try my best so that you can relate but it might be a bit more difficult than assumed or expected to step out of the trench and convey these ideas to you.

ive been doing it for years,

I hear this a lot. In fact, way too often. I feel that in a large percentage of the instances, the person saying it is, at best, an average-skilled chump attempting to "prove" their worth, hide inexperience, etc. All without so much as to actually having any real milestones or highlights. The whole "I've been at it longer than you, therefore..." Therefore what? Proving that you were just keeping your head above water, and really got nowhere in the long period of time you've been at it?

never had any problems.

What kind of "problems" would you anticipate? What, sick / unhealthy plants? Small harvests? That's only a tip of the iceberg on the menu of hard-to-predict complications. The deeper underground you go, the bigger the consequences are to the decisions you make on handling those situations. In a free & open field, you don't have to deal with as much of this type of thing, but it is still somewhat of an issue (although a much less difficult one), and always will be until cannabis is on the same level as corn and wheat. Or tobacco and alcohol, some would argue.

maybe its time i complicate things? maybe a 12 part feed schedule? ormus charged water put through a vortex? or should i go with coco, did already, was easy and meter free too i might add.

If all you are concerned with is growing some "free" mid-quality personal smoke so it doesn't have to come out of pocket as much, it's not too different than a street bum saying, "Life is easy! I don't even have to try, and I'm making it!"

Is that too real, too hurtful? Ok, let's try another one. It's like an Asian-American female in the United States saying, "Driving is easy, what an overrated topic! Look at me, I can go straight, stop, reverse, turn, park, and much more without causing accidents, without getting a ticket, and I'm getting to my destinations in a relatively timely fashion, comparable to the self-proclaimed 'good drivers'!"

again, potency is in the genes, basic dirt, light with blue n red in it, basic water and your buds are as potent as they can be everytime period.

Wrong. Just straight wrong. Again, I'm not even gonna bother explaining this one, it's just wasting breath. Either all you come across is bullshit weed, or you've never seen bullshit buds grown from an elite clone. It happens every day, and it happens very often during that day.

smokeymacpot gets it, did u see his plant?

Yes I saw it, and it took me quite a bit of my strength and will-power to refrain from commenting on it. Sure it costs you only a few bucks, but look at the results. If you think that the picture smokeymacpot posted was an example of outstanding or even "good" "or decent" quality results, and/or that quality on the pictured plant or buds can't be improved upon simply by taking a cutting / clone of that and having a different person grow it out, then I'm really sorry there's no point in explaining anything to you.

your wrong about mircale grow soil n just water burning your plants, totally wrong.

I really don't care. I've seen plenty of "mircale grow" grows, I don't think I was unfair or biased in considering every result to be subpar.

but has a one of u tried it, nope. like 99 percent of all theese threads people have very little first hand experience of what they talk about, its all hersay. or people who rep the products making a post so fools rush out an buy stuff they dont need.

You think most of the folks here using "expensive nutes" are sponsored by these companies, or have financial (or other) incentives to get you on the program?

ive never understood the ego behind growing a weed?

I guess it's a pride thing, just like in any other field or position... when you know that the results of your work is not only above-average, but superior to "most".

with no nutes n just water ive seen from seed my girls go to a few ft in miracle soil in about a month, under 20ish watts of cfl light per plant. now if this bother u guys who spend 25 bucks for ffof good, i hope it does.

Let's see some pictures of your stretched indica dominant plant with 6" node spacing. Show me what kind of results the "simple school of knowledge" can produce.

dirt that draines excellent, water thats drinkable(some places u have to buy water i realize) basic nutes, almost any will do and water at the end for a flush, bam u got top shelf dope.

So who grows all the bullshit dope that seems to be flooding a good majority of the market? I consider about 80% of the weed I come across as "bullshit", and that includes many in "top shelf" jars in dispensaries going for $60+ an eighth. The other 15% is "about average" and might be worth smoking in my opinion. (And I've come across a lot of weed, that word doesn't do it justice.) What are these guys growing in? Their dirt doesn't drain so well? Non-potable water used?

why this upsets u guys i dont get, but your support of the hydro stores brand new second hands via petrol based chems under a diff name then scotts or miracle grow keeps the industy alive and we all appriciate it, it draws alot of money in for the cause.

Are most "hydro store" nutrients petrol-based chems? I wasn't aware of that. Or did you hear this "petrol-based" thing from some media outlet or organic dirt farmer?

No, I honestly wish everyone would grow in Scotts and feed Miracle Grow. It would insta-double or triple the value of my weed. That's the deep, honest truth. I'm not saying you can't grow (even good) weed with "cheap nutes", but if you want things conveniently researched and packaged for you, you must be willing to pay the premium. The people who bring you these "packaged solutions" eat & play, too.

but life is unpredictable an sometimes things go to shit and u waste the most prescious commodity, time , but u learn a lesson. viva la pride

That's exactly why it can be complicated. I feel that I've learned to overcome a majority of the usual issues, and have what it takes to deal with some of the much bigger obstacles, but I know that there are still plenty more challenges to face even in this more "open" than ever field.

It's about doing all this successfully without getting arrested, robbed, evicted, or otherwise becoming unhappy... all while balancing the "other" life. A small mis-step can have far more serious consequences than "oh well, guess I won't be smoking for a couple of months."

 

[bipotato]

Commercial growers will usually go the old fashioned way, lots of space, lots of dirt, and lots of light.

So, what's the new fashion of commercial growing? Small closet space, not enough medium (or mediumless methods), and a few CFLs? Did I miss out on the new wave bandwagon? I thought "lots of space" and "lots of light" were the basic prerequisites for growing "lots of" weed. I don't grow in dirt, by the way.

No complications. There's a thread somewhere on the board dedicated to growing commercially.

I wasn't aware of that thread. Unless you're talking about the "so you wanna be a commercial grower?" thread. Maybe you should read it again, just so you can see how smooth everything always is, and how there's never ever a complication.

But commercial grows aren't very efficient (in terms of space usage,

Really? Let's see your efficient garden. How efficient are you? What's your typical yield and size of grow?

they don't really have to be!)

Why, because there aren't any bills to pay? Commercial growers don't have to put food on the table, don't have to support a livelihood, don't have to have fun?

It becomes a little more complex when you're trying to control heat and smell in a tiny 2x2x2 area, while providing as much light and canopy space as possible.

I love how some micro-growers think they're automatically so innovative and clever. It doesn't take much to do what you describe, pretty trivial stuff if you ask me, with a much smaller risk & downside. I give much credit to some, but that's not attributed to them being small growers, but instead to that particular person naturally being innovative and clever, whether it's with growing weed or much anything else in life.

Growing great weed is easy.

Can you show us some of the great weed you so easily grew?

 

[bipotato]

Anyone else?

 

[R3ZNH3AD]

I love it, right on bipotato.

 

[Babbabud]

vin marioni is only here to jump from thread to thread being negative to ppl with out anything to show besides his negative attitude. I am watching closely

 

[smokeymacpot]

Anyone else?

yes. dont refrain, go for it

 

[pinecone]

So who grows all the bullshit dope that seems to be flooding a good majority of the market?

Commercial growers with fairly complicated setups that are optimizing yield and not quality. They are taking pride in their yields (perhaps), but not in final product. And honestly, if people are paying top dollar for weed that is not grown and processed well, commercial growers are going to continue to subpar pot.

If all you are concerned with is growing some "free" personal smoke so it doesn't have to come out of pocket as much, it's not too different than a street bum saying, "Life is easy! I don't even have to try, and I'm making it!"

What if all you are trying to grow cannabis that is substantially better than what is commercially available?

For someone of reasonable intelligence and aptitude I still think that soil growing is pretty easy to do with a modest investment of time and money, but the type of person that fails at almost everything they do, will probably fail at growing pot.

** One difference between growing commercially and growing for personal use is that the commercial grower has to be concerned with maximizing output, whereas the personal grower is often concerned with maximizing convenience while keeping quality high.

Pine

 

[foo_bird]

growing is like life "the more you put in the more you get out"
but it seems that "the more you leave it alone the better it works"
life is finding the balance that works for you and growing pot
is finding the balance the works for the plant it's really that simple
but that doesn't make it easy

 

[Lt. Herb]

Growing is as complicated as you make it out to be.

Commercial will always be more complicated because there's money involved.

Commercial growers will always get pissed when you insinuate growing is easy because that devalues their work, and if more people start growing (because it's easy) then they lose profits.