Is it just me? Or.....

[subrob]

It's a matter of personal preference. Probably has to do w individual body chemistry. I know a dude here in San Diego who grows all of aces stuff. Test grows unreleased ace strains etc. He can tell you everything about each one. He grows em in, out, makes f2s, hybrids and smokes nothing else. Loves them. Been growing them over a decade. And I find the vast majority of them boring as fuck.
I've been TRYING to find a pure sativa I like for ...shit...20 years? Closest I've come is sativa/indica hybrids. Like schrom. Probably a dirty word to you. Lol. Just can't find it. I don't get it. That's why I figure body chemistry figures in.

I agree that mass grown commercial herb sucks. At least here in Cali. And that all these flavors the kids are smoking today are lacking. But a few of those flowers you have on your list are some of my favorites. And that's after smoking almost 40 years and growing since early 90s

 

[Medfinder]

Euphoria from Green dragon in L.A...

Also..real Green Crack when found and dialed in gives me energy and creativity .

Wish I still had RDC Reseda caregivers green crack from when I posted in San Diego's finest thread 8 years ago..

Maybe it's time to start another San Diego's finest thread...Again?

 

[VerdantGreen]

So, a lot of you seem to be afraid to undertake growing sativas indoors? Interesting. It's like anything else; where there is a will - there is a way.

I had some battles early on but, I don't take the easy out.

Nope, grown quite a few pure sativas in tiny cabs, and got the pictures to prove it.


I just don't like elitism and people thinking they are are more discerning than someone else who has different taste in weed to them. I love sativa... but after a hard day's physical work, when my back hurts, i'll smoke some heavy indica and my muscles will relax.


Bubba... BLAND ??? GTFO !


VG

 

[green-genes77]

I can agree with the spirit of your post, OP, but would urge you not to cut off your nose to spite your own face figuratively speaking. The list that you provide contains a lot of valuable tools for breeding and a lot of lines that have high medicinal value. This is not to mention the fact that descriptive terms like "White" and "Sugar" could be attached to literally anything since cannabis naming conventions are essentially nonexistent. Are you also saying you wouldn't smoke Vietnamese Trainwreck? Neville's Wreck? Those lines have some outstanding expressions.

Believe me, I am as "over" the OG Kush, Cookies and Cake craze as anyone. I eagerly await a Haze revival but the bottom line is that 9 weekers with big trichome heads that can take a machine trim are always going to be the most commercially popular varieties in most American markets. That means that invariably a bunch of amateurs are going to blow up the marketplace with mediocre examples of these strains. That doesn't make the cultivars bad though, and I would urge you to keep an open mind. For every fan of Ace Seeds (myself included), there is someone who considers them to not be worth the effort. There's plenty of room at the table for all comers. Auto growers, fem growers, whatever.

 

[Hammerhead]

I'm growing some Bandaid x A5h and A5 haze S1 indoor right now. To be honest hybrids have always produced the best quality IMO. My FB x (A5hbx x Fp) is some of the best cannabis Ive smoked. There's plenty of personal cuts that aren't in public.

 

[art.spliff]

Having read the first page (six more to read) I agree with Azeotrope and rolandomota. There is so much sales hype for lack of a better term. Honestly the truth is that a commercial strain will be something that grows fast and yields well, basically an easy to grow high yielding plant. The so called kush with its preceding two letters looks essentially like some kind of stretch indica. Described as heavy and narcotic although the plant has so much space in between nodes it stands out.


What about those of us who are looking for a unique sativa experience? This is not going to be found in a fast, easy to grow, roots and branches vigorously hybrid plant. Chem or chemdog is the same thing as what is called 'og kush,' neither of these plants are classic textbook indica or Afghani in appearance. It is a misuse of terms - for example - tall, sour, finishes early or long flower which is it? Furthermore what has happened is names and breeders' work overlap a lot. All of the chem stuff is the same as all of the quote unquote finished in 50 days light deprivation 'kush' is the same or similar. There may be some value in plants that produce relatively more resin with less light. That is a different concept from trying to sell me as a consumer on the idea that low light varieties are somehow better or the best available. More like grown with plastic(tm) above and below.


Bad smell is just that. Resin and potency is something many of us can agree on. However acrid and skunk and burnrubber all sound like an old car or something. Gasoline and diesel and oil are all awful odors that produce headaches from their fumes. So a commercial plant that is advertised as yielding a lot and finishing fast. Also advertised as an indica hybrid although it grows with more space in between its nodes and flowers are a mix in between dense and puffy. There is no need to describe it a commercial variety.


Suppose cannabis is cannabis, for example five to ten different suppliers are growing the same exact genetics and naming them differently. You may call mangoes growing where you are yellow or red while I refer to the same growing here as orange or three color. If I grow mangoes from Mexico or India I'm not going to use commercialized trademark English names. Or pretend like I invented the mango fruit itself and name every seed and cutting and make an entire catalog after planting one small box.


Personal use growers do not want commercial varieties by definition. In an environment seeking to cater to commercial growers seed selection may appear limited. I have not grown Ace's stuff. Many others here have. It looks like there are some commercial yielding varieties. There is a whole discussion about size or vigor compared to potency or desirability. Haze and kush and cookies don't really mean anything they aren't specific. To complicate things further each has its own subcategory. Everything called cookie, how many? How many called cake? How many called mints? Add them up make a list and consider you are only looking at one or two varieties max. If you break down cookies into its parent lineage, now you have all of the possibilities of Durban Poison expression available with just as wide a selection for the other parent. Haze even more, if you consider three or four lines to begin with, you are talking about basically mostly everything when you list out all possibilities. It is a generic term like cannabis at that point. Black Jack and Blue Dream both look like haze. I'm not sure how descriptive that is.


I'm not sure a plant has to look like cookies with small buds to be desirable but perhaps the largest plant you have the fastest growing with the most plant material that survives a season isn't necessarily the best for personal use. If I had to earn a living at it I may be tempted to sell someone else peanuts and keep cashews to eat myself although that isn't what I want or intend.





https://www.mango.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/The_Fresh_Mango_Curriculum_Lesson_3_Eng.pdf

 

[art.spliff]

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[art.spliff]

G13Fan and Crooked8 the original poster shared their opinion. You two are not sharing your opinion in your own threads but instead acting upset and giving Azeotrope a difficult time. There is a difference. They posted what they are looking to smoke. You are acting sour toward them. Not much reason to be upset about what someone wants. There is one way the customer is right, and there is another way mine is best. Being stubborn or ignorant isn't going to make me want to smoke glue or sour any more than I did before. Put another way even if I have a personal favourite phenotype of Cookies 'N Cream, consistent doughy and potent. It is still quite possible in fact the case that I prefer something other than chem og or indoor even if I am smoking it now.

 

[Lolo94]

Most comercial dispensary pot that I have tried is bland and not that stimulating, or if it is, it is for a short duration followed by inevitable laziness. That being said, I did get some Red Congelese several years ago that I really enjoyed. Had me running around for several hours with a big smile on my face. Was lucky enough to get a cut. Unfortunately, the dispensaries in my area don't seem to carry as wide a variety of cuttings since legalization. Probably because many are providing their own now, instead of getting them from multiple sources. Mostly sativa clones such as Love Potion, Oriental Express, and haze used to be available from time to time, but no more.
Never liked the couchlock effect, but to each their own.

 

[anurag]

About Ace - My favorite high of recent years was one phenotype of Panama Haze that was outstanding. Everyone loved it. But I had to stop growing for a while and now the last three Ace Panama Haze haven't been nearly as good. in the last two to three years Have grown Killer A5, Golden Tiger, Super Malawi Haze, Panama Haze. All have their good points but didn't ring my bell.

Right now I have some cured Tom Hill Haze that is wonderful. It grew light green and dried the buds are skinny and have golden trichomes with a nice strong frankinsense smell. Medium strong and makes you feel great.

So, because my friends and acquantances have requested them, I've started: Putang, Lemon Larry, UK Cheese, Bruce Banner3 and GG4. I still have some unknown plants growing from sativa mothers with uncertain fathers. Vietnam and LMN Congo as well as RSC's Malawi Gold. These are for me and some of my elder friends. The rest is for the younger folks.

There is room for all preferences in the world of weed. I just hope that there will always be some who keep unadulterated regional expressions in their grows.

 

[yesum]

Have heard the ECSD is good sativa. I like C99 and that is very quick no thin leaves.

I think LED is good indoors. I suppose Metal Halide or plasma would be better. I use white LED at 6400K.

I am in cali with a pot shop close. I never go but had a couple strains from there, Wedding Cake which was bland, and SSH, which was racy but not fun or interesting. I have little use for modern strains in general.

 

[PDX Dopesmoker]

Every flaw or gap in the marketplace of cannabis genetics is a fantastic opportunity for someone to have a good time breeding and creating a new variety to fill the gap. If we lived in a perfect utopia where all the pot seeds were perfect then nobody would get to experience the thrill of victory or the agony of trying again next year that comes along with breeding and testing new type of pot plants. Imperfections in the variety of available genetics aren't something to complain about, they're a key source of fun and amusement for a lot of the people here.

 

[Hammerhead]

I love making new crosses. Its so rewarding when our hard work rewards us with plants that are like no others. Even when I fail its still rewarding going through the process of looking for my holy grail. Making hybrids from sat/hazes x Indica's should be explored allot more. Its time consuming no doubt, making the same as everyone else is boring to me.

 

[MindEater]

It's the grow, not the genes. Since the age of 6 I never met a bud I didn't appreciate, until I walked into a dispensary the first time. I accept that I will never know for sure if MAC is really a garbage strain or not.

When someone says OG is over rated, bland, or played out I think to myself "Cannabis is not for them, or maybe they've only been to dispensaries"

 

[mexweed]

consumers want cheap weed the dispensaries provide it, chemdog was $500 oz decades ago, what kind of ace gear is able to retail that high

 

[Switcher56]

consumers want cheap weed the dispensaries provide it, chemdog was $500 oz decades ago, what kind of ace gear is able to retail that high

Doesn't mean it was worth $500 a lid, just what folks were willing to pay for one.

 

[Hammerhead]

I use to think people bought seeds based on quality. I don't believe that anymore. Most buy whatever the recent hyped seeds out are. JBoy seeds are 500$ (people are buying these) a pack when you can get the same or better quality for 50-100$

 

[mexweed]

because chem, pbud, weasel none of those guys in that circle knew anything about good weed

 

[eastbeast]

While I myself share the sentiment of walking into a dispensary or pot shop and rolling my eyes at the myriad of gimmicky and trendy/flashy names that have ingratiated the market, I feel like the OP is coming off as a bit pretentious as to be so dismissive of genetics that quite frankly have become cornerstones of the breeding community, some dating back many years.
It is 2020, after all.
Sour Diesel has been around for a long time.

There are a multitude of obvious reasons that most of us simply cannot grow pure sativas from seed; space, time, location, resources, skill, etc. I like and respect Ace and will one day grow out the pack of Golden Tiger that has been collecting dust these past few years. Unfortunately the wait will continue, as the task of simply sexing an entire pack of 14+ week sativas in my current living situation is outright impossible.

As some have pointed out, subjectivity is a driving force in selecting the strains and breeders we choose to grow and support.
I love growing and smoking Chem 4.
Some do not.
I don't see the appeal of Cookies.
Many love it.

What I do think we can agree on, as growers, is the alarming amount of homogoneity in the dispensaries driven by trends, marketing and an insanely high demand.
In my area, It's hard to find a pure skunk #1 in a dispensary these days. Or an Original Haze. Or just plain ol Sour Deisel. In fact, I can safely attest to the fact that they don't exist where I live, which is saturated with potshops. Everything is an amalgamation of Gorrilla Cake Cookies Blue MAC Kush etc. from the same few mega-producers/farms who are churning out metric tons of mid-grade product.
There are still exceptions of course, but for how long?
Here in Oregon, the pot farms are expanding and the dispensaries are multiplying and many have several locations across the state and carry quite a bit of political clout. Compounding with laws that encourage the economic benefits of buying taxable and regulated marijuana as opposed to growing it (only four plants per household), it appears the writing is on the wall. In the future we'll be buying clones at Fred Meyer that have been shipped in on pallets from Monrovia.

The mass commercialization and industrialization of cannabis is well under way.

I guess this rant pertains to the fact that we shouldn't be so dismissive on older cuts that we may never see in dispensaries in the near to distant future. Treasure our seeds and pass on landrace and older elite cuts to our friends, be it Sour Deisel, GG#4, or Oldtimers Haze, because one day they may be lost and replicated only in name.

 

[rolandomota]

People are fucking lazy lots of people have big permits to grow outside legal and have the climate to do it grow some sativas you dumb fucks