I think the farmers in Coachella were experiencing the same soil buildup. A benefit from letting the leaves drop.
Did they open another office out there? It was ran out of Indio.
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Is Foliar Feeding Beneficial With Great Soil?
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Did they open another office out there? It was ran out of Indio.
The guy I worked with was in the Indio office. Still open as is Blythe's.
My dad was head of the SCS in Blythe until we moved to the Indio area in the early 70's and took charge of both areas until the late 80's when he retired. Unfortunately, I didn't ask enough questions when I had the opportunity, so that's one reason I ask them now. I appreciate the answers to the perhaps strange questioning.
Back on topic...it sounds like foliar may be the preferred method of applying certain elements where as they are not wasted on the leaf and excess is going to the ground resulting finally in more efficiency.
Didn't you answer your own question?
Do I really have to explain the theory behind supplementing something that the plant usually has to take energy to make for itself?
( There are literally 100's of farm chem companies that use this concept.)
Particularly I was just saying that foliar feed would be the best way to apply as studies done say root uptake is minimal.
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I think you are operating under the assumption that if something is good, more of it must be better.
It actually comes down to the fact that the plant doesn't have to use as much energy to bio-synthesize it's needed aminos, and therefor will have a faster metabolism rate and can use the extra energy to produce increased yields at a faster rate.
I think Grapeman already pointed out that almost every farmer in the world for almost every plant ( and turf/grass ) is utilizing foliar feeding method and there are literally 100's of farmer/turf/chem supply companies that have designed products using this concept.
So what might be a good source of these amino acids?
Kelp?
Kelp?
I see, sort of the way people are much, much healthier when they get lots of calories from animal fat and protein, and refined sugars that take little energy to burn. That way they don't spend too much energy synthesizing all that fat and protein, and they have complete amino acids. Since they save energy, they have much more to burn on fighting cancer and growing big and strong.
sorry, your theory only makes sense if you assume too much.
Yes, and it is the best way to apply certain nutrients that if applied to a alkaline or acid soil, would just be tied up and of no use to the plant. Or even worse, cause soil problems.
Zinc comes to mind.
The tea study you posted has it right, and doesn't go imagining how things work like you do. It clearly states that foliar spraying helps one deal with less than ideal situations:
only read 3 of the articles, and so far they don't mean what you seem to think they mean. Conclusions are very carefully restricted to only what is directly supported by the study.
none of what I read in those studies suggests that cannabis in an ideal soil and setting will benefit at all from foliar spraying. What i do see good evidence for is the claim that foliar spraying can help your plant deal with environmental challenges. For instance, an anemic herd would not yield as many amino acids as a healthy microherd.
further, your documents have names like "1", "2", "3", etc... can you please tell me which amino acid foliar spray company put them together?
only read 3 of the articles, and so far they don't mean what you seem to think they mean. Conclusions are very carefully restricted to only what is directly supported by the study.
none of what I read in those studies suggests that cannabis in an ideal soil and setting will benefit at all from foliar spraying. What i do see good evidence for is the claim that foliar spraying can help your plant deal with environmental challenges. For instance, an anemic herd would not yield as many amino acids as a healthy microherd.
further, your documents have names like "1", "2", "3", etc... can you please tell me which amino acid foliar spray company put them together?
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What did you read?
http://idosi.org/jhsop/3(1)11/1.pdf
Page 9.
"The general positive effects of amino acid foliar spray applications could be attributed to enhanced pollen tube ovule penetration and delayed ovule senescence which increases fruit set and yield."
"It was found from the present study ringing
application increased number of spurs/m and number of
flowers/spur which was parallel to previous findings on
deciduous fruit"
LMAO, it's actually called google, and those just happen to be the articles I found in the first 3 pages from different sources. Easily, there are probably 100's of similar studies out there but I really have better things to do than collect data to prove to you something that the entire planet has already figured out.....
I guess science isn't for everyone.
Once again, while your excerpts describe positive results, they don't support your conclusion.
Unless... are you looking for more spurs on your cannabis? Are you not getting good seeds because of limited ovule penetration? Are you looking to delay senescence so you can spend more time flowering?
Here is what you actually claimed. Nothing else you posted supports it:
you seem to be all over the place about what is going on in a foliar spray, just like everyone else (outside ICmag). It's a jumble of techniques and products with a bad labeling system that makes us unable to discuss effectively or make any related advancements in horticulture. I'm reading pseudo-science and science in the same posts, and in particular the transitive theory from math seems to be taking new and unprecedented powers in other disciplines.
(example stoner logic with enhanced transitive properties):
I say amino acid foliar is good at something that results in higher yields. A study says amino acids are good at something else that results in higher yields. In fact, 3 other studies also show amino acids acting to increase yields. Obviously amino acids are good at all things that increase yield.
and somehow you jump to : amino acid foliar sprays increase yields by reducing energy requirements.
You even treat this like an obvious conclusion. Unfortunately, anyone who believes you is going to be at a disadvantage if they try to apply your theories to real life, compared to someone who starts with questions and doesn't make answers prematurely.
I give regular foliar sprays to plants that are small enough, including my living mulches. I am not denying the benefits, or the harmlessness. I am just looking for some reasonable explanations, and holding out for thinking of a certain quality.
Once again, while your excerpts describe positive results, they don't support your conclusion.
Unless... are you looking for more spurs on your cannabis? Are you not getting good seeds because of limited ovule penetration? Are you looking to delay senescence so you can spend more time flowering?
Here is what you actually claimed. Nothing else you posted supports it:
you seem to be all over the place about what is going on in a foliar spray, just like everyone else (outside ICmag). It's a jumble of techniques and products with a bad labeling system that makes us unable to discuss effectively or make any related advancements in horticulture. I'm reading pseudo-science and science in the same posts, and in particular the transitive theory from math seems to be taking new and unprecedented powers in other disciplines.
(example stoner logic with enhanced transitive properties):
I say amino acid foliar is good at something that results in higher yields. A study says amino acids are good at something else that results in higher yields. In fact, 3 other studies also show amino acids acting to increase yields. Obviously amino acids are good at all things that increase yield.
and somehow you jump to : amino acid foliar sprays increase yields by reducing energy requirements.
You even treat this like an obvious conclusion. Unfortunately, anyone who believes you is going to be at a disadvantage if they try to apply your theories to real life, compared to someone who starts with questions and doesn't make answers prematurely.
I give regular foliar sprays to plants that are small enough, including my living mulches. I am not denying the benefits, or the harmlessness. I am just looking for some reasonable explanations, and holding out for thinking of a certain quality.
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the_extremist
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I've never felt the need to foliar. My ladies look incredible without doing it and the buds are awesome so I figure it's just extra busy work.
I'm actually PRO foliar feeding- I think it is a well established method of fertilizing. Not necessary maybe, but it can definitely have its uses.
The idea that you need to be feeding a plant amino acids is just silly though. There is no such thing as "essential amino acids", in a plant.
They have specific enzymes and pathways to make any amino acid they could need.
The "theory" that a plant can somehow just use the cellular energy it would expend synthesizing amino acids on some other function is ridiculous.
My question to you is then why are Amino Acids so effective in increasing yield and overall plant vigor/health in all the studies and trials done as pointed out in one of my previous posts?
This article from the International Journal of Agriculture and Botany ( study done by The Botany Department of the National Research Centre in Egypt. ) shows the Chamomile plants treated with certain Amino Acid foliars had huge yield and essential oil increases compared to the control. And below their hypothesis as to why...
http://www.fspublishers.org/ijab/past-issues/IJABVOL_7_NO_3/9.pdf
Page 2
This regulatory effect of
amino acids on growth could by explained by the notion that
some amino acids (e.g. phenylalanine, ornithine) can affect
plant growth and development through their influence on
gibberellin biosynthesis (Waller & Nawacke, 1978). In
addition, Bidwell (1972) and Fowden (1973) reported that
amino acids acting as the building blocks of proteins can
serve in number of additional functions in regulation of
metabolism, transport and storage nitrogen.
This is mechanism is not yet proven, but where is the alternative explanation?
There is undeniable proof that foliar applications of amino acids have positive results across the board, and this is the most widely entertained reason why.
I don't care if you want to call my post ridiculous, but please at least contribute some actual data or content or anything besides your attitude to back up your claim.
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bajangreen
Blast from the past
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OrganicOzarks
I foliar feed twice per week. My experiences show that there is indeed a difference.
