Is dabbing bad for you?

[BOMBAYCAT]

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It looks like the old reefer madness stuff. They are trying to claim dabbing is bad. They used for an example a just graduated lawyer that was very successful and also dabbed. He got depressed and committed suicide. I don't believe it because dabbing has been around for years with very few if any problems. The old drug warriors keep on trying.

 

[Lester Beans]

They act like it is brand new. Kids these days think they invented it. Lol

Maybe these clowns should focus on meth instead of a natural herb.

Guy probably committed suicide because he was a lawyer, and that's worse than dabs.

 

[morningdewd]

although I don't dab I smoke the herb ive seen many dabbers and after awhile they look like zombies ,zonked out with a blank look and end up staring off into space until they start nodding off and fall in and out of sleep. not my cup of tea. MD

 

[sadpanda]

see also https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=275475

 

[CosmicCharlie]

although I don't dab I smoke the herb ive seen many dabbers and after awhile they look like zombies ,zonked out with a blank look and end up staring off into space until they start nodding off and fall in and out of sleep. not my cup of tea. MD

Jeeze that sounds like opiates/heroin.

I knew some people that would only smoke wax or shatter never flowers. It sure gets you high as gas but I prefer flowers and if I'm gonna smoke wax or shatter or oil Id just put a little on a bowl of flowers.

 

[Lester Beans]

although I don't dab I smoke the herb ive seen many dabbers and after awhile they look like zombies ,zonked out with a blank look and end up staring off into space until they start nodding off and fall in and out of sleep. not my cup of tea. MD

I'm sure these people you are referring to have good jobs, lots of responsibility, and families to care for as well. And because of the dabs their lives are ruined.

That was a joke.

 

[Weird]

the plant is non toxic and non addictive no matter how concentrated

 

[aridbud]

What really concerns me is not totally extracting the residual compounds of dabbed material with the solvents still in the finished product. If it can dissolve furniture/auto paint (or whatever use for solvents), what is it doing to brain/lung tissue?

Breathing in butane was never healthy. Poisoning from naphthalene destroys or changes red blood cells so they cannot carry oxygen. This can cause organ damage.

While the process itself is not at all dangerous, some extraction methods may carry the potential to harm the consumer. For example, chemical contaminants like butane may have some hazardous consequences, bodily and in home explosions.

 

[sadpanda]

the plant is non toxic and non addictive no matter how concentrated

Im not a scientist but I believe this is a false statement, because can't everything be considered toxic at high enough concentration? like, even water has a toxicity level doesn't it?
eg, oral LD50 in rats:
Water = >90000mg/kg
Ethanol = 7060mg/kg
THC = 1270mg/kg

And you said "no matter how concentrated", but clearly if i have 3000mg/kg of pure ethanol and 3000mg/kg of pure THC and i consume both the chances are I'll survive the alcohol poisoning but the THC will kill me.

Toxicity is obviously a non-issue for cannabis users because we live in the real not theoretical & unpractical world, but to say it's "not toxic no matter how concentrated"... so with all due respect isn't that spreading misinformation?

 

[Storm Shadow]

Heavy Dab use will give u Kyle Kushman Dark bags under your eyes and make u ugly

 

[orechron]

I'm not sure if there is enough research on the type of use thats happening now. Sure there are impurities sometimes, but I'm interested in long term cannabinoid related effects.

Cannabis isn't habit forming with average doses historically but maybe it is if you are dabbing 10 grams of oil a day. Anecdotally I've heard people describe withdrawal symptoms. I'm also spoke with a former crack addict in a trim crew and he said the similarities in behavior are there. I.e. the person holding the rig is surrounded by others waiting there turn and they can't take their eyes off the rig until they get their hit lol. I don't dab primarily because I'm a lightweight but also because I'd be losing so much profit.

 

[Weird]

Im not a scientist but I believe this is a false statement, because can't everything be considered toxic at high enough concentration? like, even water has a toxicity level doesn't it?
eg, oral LD50 in rats:
Water = >90000mg/kg
Ethanol = 7060mg/kg
THC = 1270mg/kg

And you said "no matter how concentrated", but clearly if i have 3000mg/kg of pure ethanol and 3000mg/kg of pure THC and i consume both the chances are I'll survive the alcohol poisoning but the THC will kill me.

Toxicity is obviously a non-issue for cannabis users because we live in the real not theoretical & unpractical world, but to say it's "not toxic no matter how concentrated"... so with all due respect isn't that spreading misinformation?

The non-fatal consumption of 3000 mg/kg A THC by the dog and monkey would be comparable to a 154-pound human eating approximately 46 pounds (21 kilograms) of 1%-marihuana or 10 pounds of 5% hashish at one time. In addition, 92 mg/kg THC intravenously produced no fatalities in monkeys. These doses would be comparable to a 154-pound human smoking at one time almost three pounds (1.28 kg) of 1%-marihuana or 250,000 times the usual smoked dose and over a million times the minimal effective dose assuming 50% destruction of the THC by smoking.

Drugs used in medicine are routinely given what is called an LD-50. The LD-50 rating indicates at what dosage fifty percent of test animals receiving a drug will die as a result of drug induced toxicity. A number of researchers have attempted to determine marijuana's LD-50 rating in test animals, without success. Simply stated, researchers have been unable to give animals enough marijuana to induce death.

Death by over consumption of water has been documented but not due to thc because even if it was purified crystalline you body would still need to process hundreds of grams simultaneously to be fatally toxic

Stop trying to create a reality that has never happened, your last name Anslinger?

 

[Lung.Butter]

Honestly I don't think it's great for you if you drill it all day. I felt a withdrawal when I stopped recently after heavy use.

 

[sadpanda]

Death by over consumption of water has been documented but not due to thc because even if it was purified crystalline you body would still need to process hundreds of grams simultaneously to be fatally toxic

So you agree it CAN be toxic, and that it's not - as you put it - "non-toxic no matter how concentrated". (Maybe you should follow your own words - "stop trying to create a reality")

You didn't provide a reference btw so i had to google, im not sure druglibrary.org is the best source, but anyway.
This study determined the LD50 in rats (and this is going back to 1974), contrary to what you just quoted - http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0041008X74901264

AbstractIn order to resolve the differences in reported LD50 values for Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (Δ9-THC) obtained with various vehicles and rat strains, the oral LD50 values of Δ9-THC in a natural vegetable oil vehicle and in an aqueous emulsion were determined in the same rat strain. In addition an iv LD50 value obtained with the emulsion formulation was compared with an inhalation LD50. The natural vegetable oil was pure sesame oil and the aqueous emulsion used orally was comprised of 13% sesame oil, 1% polysorbate 80 and isotonic saline. A similar emulsion (7% sesame oil and 0.5% polysorbate 80) was used to establish the iv and ip LD50 values. The young adult Fischer rat was used in all experiments and the polysorbate 80 concentration in emulsion formulations was maintained below toxic levels for the rodent. Marihuana cuttings were impregnated with Δ9-THC and formed into cigarettes which were smoked under controlled conditions of puff volume and duration in an automatic smoking machine to obtain an inhalation LD50. It was demonstrated that behavioral and physiological responses to Δ9-THC occurred sooner with the oral emulsion formulation than with the vegetable oil. The intragastric LD50 with the emulsion was 800 mg/kg and with the sesame oil formulation, 1270 mg/kg. The iv LD50 was 36–40 mg/kg, similar to the inhalation dose when the latter was corrected for Δ9-THC losses in the rodent nasal passages. The results from this study affirmed that the LD50 values obtained were reliable and that the vehicle did not contribute to the toxicity.

Stop trying to create a reality that has never happened, your last name Anslinger?

No need to go all schoolyard on us, can we not discuss science in a civil manner without getting personal and calling people names???

 

[PDX Dopesmoker]

9news.com

It looks like the old reefer madness stuff. They are trying to claim dabbing is bad. They used for an example a just graduated lawyer that was very successful and also dabbed. He got depressed and committed suicide. I don't believe it because dabbing has been around for years with very few if any problems. The old drug warriors keep on trying.

Yeah, Monday afternoon I was listening to the radio & they had a warning to all parents to watch out that nobody gives their kid any weed edibles. There weren't any reports of this having happened earlier, nobody had announced plans to give kids weed edibles and it hasn't been problem in previous years, but I guess the powers that be at the radio station thought it was important the everyone be worried about evil hippies trying to drug children or something. No warnings about other legal drugs or any illegal drugs either, just weed.

 

[Weird]

So you agree it CAN be toxic, and that it's not - as you put it - "non-toxic no matter how concentrated". (Maybe you should follow your own words - "stop trying to create a reality")

You didn't provide a reference btw so i had to google, im not sure druglibrary.org is the best source, but anyway.
This study determined the LD50 in rats (and this is going back to 1974), contrary to what you just quoted - http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0041008X74901264
No need to go all schoolyard on us, can we not discuss science in a civil manner without getting personal and calling people names???

There are no known incidence of marijuana overdose in humans so there is no validated lethal dosage.

92 mg/kg THC intravenously produced no fatalities in monkeys

approx 1 gram of pure thc per 25 lbs body weight is not toxic in monkeys. That means I could shoot over 8 grams of pure thc without fatality.

Sorry I don't see me getting that much into my body in an effective amount of time.

As far as toxicity they have done small targeted studies, here is one using the same species of rats. They gave these animals heroic doses of THC. While it effected their biology the control subjects also lived longer which makes their claims of toxicity subjective especially since the use was outside of therapeutic dosage range.

http://toxsci.oxfordjournals.org/content/30/1/109.short

It isn't physically addictive so when a person's body has had enough dabs they normally move one. That is why there are so many people that say no thank you I don't smoke anymore it gives me anxiety or a number of other undesired reactions.

Stop demonizing something with completely inappropriate propaganda.

it is impossible for people to dab the intravenous equivalent of a gram per 25 pounds body weight of pure thc in the amount of time for it to prove to be fatal.

Take a look at the amounts they gave the rats for said toxicity and factor it to how much has to be ingested and tell me if this is parallel to normal use even in the heaviest dab cultures.

Some people need to be that high to function or to deal with certain disorders like PSTD or get past physical addictions like heroin.

Marijuana is not physically addictive or toxic regardless of how concentrated. If you have a problems with people who have different needs than yourself then you simply have problems.

 

[CosmicCharlie]

People are saying they have had withdrawal symptoms though. So it has to be either psychologically or physically addictive or both. It may take a while to get addicted.

I've experienced headaches and lack of sleep from quiting weed before. Some people say the WDs from concentrates can be as bad as Heroin or worse than Heroin. They are probably smoking a ton of concentrates and smoking them all during the day everyday.

I think the key with using concentrates is moderation, unless you need them for cancer or some other medical reason. That is what they are for.

 

[MJPassion]

I'm addicted to food.
If I quit I get withdrawl symptoms.

 

[aridbud]

Heavy Dab use will give u Kyle Kushman Dark bags under your eyes and make u ugly

You noticed that, too?! Agree.

 

[MrBungle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoofwMb2Gok

400 gram dab zero fatalities