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Iraqi court to hang Saddamn within 30 days

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - An Iraqi appeals court on Tuesday upheld Saddam Hussein's death sentence for crimes against humanity and said he should hang within 30 days.

"The appeal court has approved the death sentence. They (the government) has the right to choose the date starting from tomorrow up to 30 days. After 30 days it will be an obligation to implement the sentence," the head of the Iraqi High Tribunal, Aref Abdul-Razzaq al-Shahin, told a news conference.

Saddam, 69, was sentenced to death on November 5 for crimes against humanity over the killings of 148 Shi'ites from the town of Dujail after he escaped assassination there in 1982.

Saddam's half-brother Barzan al-Tikriti and former judge Awad al-Bander also received the death penalty for their part in the incident. The court also rejected their appeals.

The court recommended toughening the sentence on former Vice President Taha Yassin Ramadan, who had been sentenced to life in prison over the Dujail killings, saying he should also be executed.

"Amnesty International is very disappointed about this decision," a spokeswoman for the human rights organization said.

"We are against the death penalty as a matter of principle but particularly in this case because it comes after a flawed trial."

Saddam's chief defense counsel Khalil al-Dulaimi told Reuters from Amman: "If they dare implement the sentence it will be a catastrophe for the region and will only deepen the sectarian infighting."

GENOCIDE TRIAL

Saddam is still on trial with six others for genocide against ethnic Kurds in a military campaign in northern Iraq in the 1980s. Shahin said the trial would continue without Saddam.

Many human rights and legal experts have argued that Saddam could not get a fair trial in a country torn by sectarian conflict that has killed tens of thousands of Iraqis.

In the latest violence, bombs killed more than 30 people in Baghdad, including 15 in western Adhamiya district, a Sunni area. Earlier, a triple car bombing in a Shi'ite area killed 16.

The U.S. military reported the deaths of six more American soldiers in Iraq, bringing the U.S. death toll to at least 2,978 -- five more than the number killed in the September 11 attacks.

At least 89 U.S. soldiers have died so far this month, making it the deadliest this year after October's toll of 106, and increasing pressure on President George W. Bush to find a strategy to extricate 135,000 U.S. troops from the war.

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Im thinking the UN or the Hague will extradite him to protect him. Maybe the liberal party in America will welcome him too....Amnesty International maybe?

I dont think it will happen.
 

Ncogneato

Member
Now if they could just knock off that other ruthless dictator (George W.), the world may be a better place.
 

naga_sadu

Active member
Too bad they thought that hanging Saddam is more important than rebuilding IRaq. While so much energy was devouted towards this "trial", I've never seen 1/1000th of the energy spent to reconstruct a fuckin' district hospital.

I was under the impression that tyranny ends when the people have better living conditions coupled w/ healthier and better living standards than was afforded to them during the tyrant's rule.

Looks like the "democratic" forces of modern day IRaq have set the country back by a good 200 years than before the invasion. The infra is more fucked (than during Saddam's rule), there's more secretarian violence (than during Saddam's rule), the fuckin' electricity don't work, the health infra is in a fucking mess....wtf?

Now, they're introducing party politics in Iraq :yoinks:
 
I think we should let the guy go, give him back his country and tell him we're sorry for fuckin with him in the first place. Yeah he was a bad guy who killed a bunch of people, but a bunch of people are dying anyway so whats the diffrence? At least when he was in charge you could walk to the market and buy a loaf of bread without getting blowed up.
 
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Guest

the most high-

yeah i agree, IF you'll go over there to live as a peasant for the rest of your life after we return it to him. :fsu:

LD

 
LD,
Iraq might not have been the best place on earth to live but I bet the people there were alot happier, safer, etc under Saddam than they are under Bush.
 
All the Iraqies would kill you and me in a heart beat if they had a chance..Thats all they know is to kill...Never knew any other wise...

Edit: well not all of them , but most...
 

minds_I

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Veteran
Hello all,

I would like to make a prediction-Saddam will not be put to death publicly- I predict he will found dead in his cell.

scenereo#1 - Publicly exicuting Saddam will deepent eh sectarian violence to be sure- but it will martyr him before the majority. The minority would have motivation to have him found dead then publicly martyred. So a staged suicide would be in order.

scenerio #2 Saddam wishes to deny GW the glory of a public exicution and the humiliation of a fallen dictator and commite suidide willingly.

minds_I

Question: Will CNN cover it live and broadcast it to the US?

Also, do you think there will be rioting inthe streets afterwards?


EDIT: Well, it would seem I am wrong. I heard he went ot the gallows like a man.
 
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Guest

TMH-- fine, i'm agreeing with you.

all I ask is that YOU go over there to live the rest of your life after we give it back to him. I see nothing wrong with that request, since you obviously know what is best for the IRAQI's, and you have concluded that they are better off with saddam than without him.

what's wrong with that?

LD
 

Freakshow

Member
yes

yes

LonesomeDave said:
the most high-

yeah i agree, IF you'll go over there to live as a peasant for the rest of your life after we return it to him. :fsu:

LD

I agree. My military friends that are over there, have told me they are and have been rebuilding and building new infrastructure - hospitals, electricity generating plants, schools, etc. Don't listen to the main stream media. It's all propaganda

peace
 

9Lives

three for playing, three for straying, and three f
Veteran
Point being..USA had no business there in the first place..went there for Weapons of mass destrutcion right ? Found any ? No...

You fucked up...pay for your shit and leave...case closed! (but that would leave alot of open doors would it not?)

Democracy is not for all...Pff most Russians will never embrace it. They are used to someone ruling with a strong hand. And they love it. There are still people who think Stalin is a hero..and a lot more of them than you might think. Putin can do pretty much anything he wants to.

..and look whats going on in the States man...Bush is a fucking dictator if i ever saw one!
 
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LD
Since YOU think the Iraqies are so much better under Bush why dont you go. I would have been happy to go to Iraq under Saddam, smoke Buds in babylon, Cop a bag in Bagdad. But then Bush might confuse my Bong for WMD and fuck up my high!

Do you know anyone from Iraq? You ever have dinner with them? You ever go to prayers with them? You ever ask any of them what they think?

I can say yes to all those questions, if you cant then shut up.
 
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9Lives said:
Democracy is not for all


Bush is a fucking dictator if i ever saw one!

"democracy is not for all"? well thank god we have you to tell us who it is for!

"Bush is a dictator if you ever saw one"? Well, I guess you've never seen one then, cause Bush sure as hell isn't one.

LD




 

Freakshow

Member
The weapons were one reason out of a list of a dozen on why the US went into Iraq. When the US troops were apporaching Bagdad, they tested the waters in the Euphrates and the Tigres rivers and found high concentrations of cyanide and sarin. The shit was dumped and or moved.

Anyway, I'm not up for a rant tonight. Y'all have fun. I'll keep getting my info from my buddies that are there experiencing things first hand and not the NY Times
 
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9Lives

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LonesomeDave said:
"democracy is not for all"? well thank god we have you to tell us who it is for!

"Bush is a dictator if you ever saw one"? Well, I guess you've never seen one then, cause Bush sure as hell isn't one.

LD

Well...you truly think every single person on this planet..is intelligent enough to make decisions on a national or even global scale ? Most people just vote for the guy who has the best looking tie or whatever...they have no idea what really drives the economy/politics. What im saying is that a good dictator beats democracy any day of the week!


Cannabis is a great indicator...anyone who has ever honestly looked at the subject in depth can see its a load of crap. Now last i heard people we're being thrown in jail for it. Does that sound to you like something a nation of smart people would do ? Waste so much of their own money on something that cant be won. While natural resources are depleting? Not the smartest move...IMHO...

Don't get me wrong...i love the idea of democracy as much as the next guy..but people are not truly grasping the lengths they have to push themselves in order for it to survive. A totalitarian government is much more ''comfortable'' and to me it seems that comfort is the highest goal in life for most of the people. Just lay your brain to rest..grab a beer...and watch TV...bleh :bat:

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. - Einstein

I never get tired of that quote :chin:
 
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Mr. Nevermind

I think this Saddam thing is a joke. How the fuck can we exacute him ? For what? Crimes against humanity in 1982? Funny since in what 78-79 when the shaw of Iran got the boot we turned to Saddam and supported him for years when they faught Iran . We gave him the weapons he used on the kurds to fight Iran. We gave him the money to fight Iran. So the crime against humanity happened in 82? Ok if he was soo bad why did we send Rumsfeld to Bagdad in 83-84 to sell him more weapons? If he just commited a crime against humanity in 82 wwhy are we giving him more $$ and weapons? Wouldnt that make us an accessory to the crime by giving weapons?

So here is my question. If he did such a bad thing in 82 why didnt we arrest him in 82? Or 83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91? I mean if what he did was soo bad we should have stopped it when it started right? BUt for years his "crime" wasnt a crime until daddy bush got in office , now its a crime.


If we want to talk crimes against humanity lets talk about Bush flying over New Orleans while people were dying below and he didnt do shit to help them. Thats a crime.

Also if we are gonna be the police of the world and dont want crimes against humanity then why dont we go to Darfur? Since there is genocide going on there today you would think we woulod swoop in and stop the bad man from hurting people . But we dont do shit , we let it happen. So you can say " we are gonna police crimes against humanity in the whole world" but then let genocide happen.








Nevermind
 
Well im not sure I can agree with that nevermind.

Basically you are saying the US is at fault for selling him the weapons and we should be blamed rather than for hussien using them.

Thats like me selling you a gun.....20 yrs later you commit a homicide with it.....and you want me to hang for it? Because I sold you the gun?

Where am I going wrong?

Should the french be liable for the Nuclear technology they sent hussien in the late 70s early 80s?

There is a difference when you have them.....but when you kill 20-50-75,000 with those weapons for political gain.....we have a problem.

WMD doesnt kill people.....people kill people.
 
M

Mr. Nevermind

Old Man Time said:
Well im not sure I can agree with that nevermind.

Basically you are saying the US is at fault for selling him the weapons and we should be blamed rather than for hussien using them.

Thats like me selling you a gun.....20 yrs later you commit a homicide with it.....and you want me to hang for it? Because I sold you the gun?

Where am I going wrong?

Should the french be liable for the Nuclear technology they sent hussien in the late 70s early 80s?

There is a difference when you have them.....but when you kill 20-50-75,000 with those weapons for political gain.....we have a problem.

WMD doesnt kill people.....people kill people.


You are missing my point. if what he did was so bad in 82 why would we supply weapons to him in 84? if you are a killer and someone gives you a gun and you shoot someone then you get punished. if you then get out of jail and someone gives you anther gun knowing you already shot someone then you cant get mad when hey shoot. Youknew when you gave them the gun that they killed onc already so why give him another weapon
?

You have the right to sell a gun, you are right. But you cant sell guns to killers and get mad when they kill. If you get shoot someone in the USA and go to jail you cant legallly get another gun. If we had such a problem with saddam in 1982 when he attacked the kurds, why did we send rumsfled there in 84 all smiles selling saddam more weapons? You cant say he is inhumane yet we sell him weapons two years later.

Where was the outrage in 1982 when he gassed the kurds? There wasnt any. Not for over 10 years we didnt give a piss. Now we do? So ok we are against crimes against humanity, why arent we in Darfur helping them out? we aint doing shit and we know genecide is taking place. But we are worried about something that happened in 1982 when noone gave a shit about it in 82. Its a joke. You cant support someone in 82 all the way thru 90 and say they are great ( saddam was on cover of time in 80's as the savior to the middle east as a hero to womens rights in middle east) then att he same time say they are inhumane. we are full of shit.



Nevermind
 

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