Not all change is for the best… remember 2008 and a change poster a candidate had?
I looked at the speakers corner without logging in and noted that many of those who I have made invisible are vets. Never posted grow diaries, many don’t even grow. 10 years of trolling made the grade in the new world order at ICMag.
I used to donate and had a “supporter” tag for it, but that went away with the new system. But for $120/year one can be in like the old users, as long as the cash keeps flowing.
Just doesn’t feel right. Then again, continually posting grow threads is a security risk I was getting worried about. The change may help me quit that behavior and just lurk for 6 years.
I'm working on what would be the most in depth thread I've ever done, or just have coffee in the greenhouse every morning talking to my girls and just do notes for myself to recall what I actually did?I’m thinking like you Mr. Farmerlion. No point in making grow threads and describing new grow techniques while being considered a second class citizen behind non-growers and lurkers. This site is famous for great content, but where does it come from?
I need to fly low anyways, and get back under the radar. The universe is pointing my way.
I say Amen to this post Gypsy, and the prevailing attitude that is directly associated with it that you advocate.Yup - although we can try and discourage our members from engaging in risky pursuits - in the diff - its their choice - just growing a plant has been a risky pursuit for nigh on 100 years in many places - people are often taking risks - and I find it hard to criticise those that lean towards the risky side of things - since I myself have taken huge risks in the past - so it would seem more than mildly hypocritical of me -
While I do advocate self-regulated free trade - what needs to be thought about - is how a more open policy will effect ICMAG - will it leave the site open to be roasted by LEO's and the judiciary - or will they understand that - and leave us alone ? - since the magazine itself is not involved in any risky pursuits - and cannot be held responsible - if its members are - because that's their choice - quite a few of us are doing that already - by growing a plant or two -I say Amen to this post Gypsy, and the prevailing attitude that is directly associated with it that you advocate.
Allow people to self-regulate their behavior themselves, within the guidelines of the today's world TOU, as you discussed. As the owner of the shop, we are counting on you to have an exaggerated input, for all of our benefit.
Welp, I can't really speak to all of that. Certainly a much broader concept than anything I envisioned or imagined. Like the guy who was complaining that every other post would be discussing seeds. Nonsense. If you look at the majority of the posters currently, they have not really taken up any keen interest, or given a blink about this. At all.While I do advocate self-regulated free trade - what needs to be thought about - is how a more open policy will effect ICMAG - will it leave the site open to be roasted by LEO's and the judiciary - or will they understand that - and leave us alone ? - since the magazine itself is not involved in any risky pursuits - and cannot be held responsible - if its members are - because that's their choice - quite a few of us are doing that already - by growing a plant or two -
The question is - could we become the Craigslist of all things canna related - and not risk the attention and injustices of the law? -
Yes - that's along the lines of what I have been thinking about - if the trading is so obvious that its causing grief site wide - then it'll have to be curtailed - and moderated - so as not to cause a stir - can't let spammers and scammers take over - that's always possible to avoid - but will take decisions that may irk some members - sometimes you gotta be cruel to be kind - in some minds - for the common good/harmony of the site -Welp, I can't really speak to all of that. Certainly a much broader concept than anything I envisioned or imagined. Like the guy who was complaining that every other post would be discussing seeds. Nonsense. If you look at the majority of the posters currently, they have not really taken an keen interest, or given a blink about this. At all.
Behind a paywall, or perceived barrier of sorts, or not, if LEO's want to come in and mess around, that certainly is not providing you, or frankly anyone else, any overt protection, other than in an idealized world. The fact that you are allowing people to pay for access, does point some fingers perhaps. It's not what I would do, but I understand why.
Dodging injustice has always been tricky business. And the fact that you are now openly facilitating a special area or platform actually gets you deeper into the spider's web, if anything. Right? Self-regulation is really the answer. Let people do what is mutually legal amongst themselves, with a disclaimer you're in no way involved. That seems key.
I updated my post that you responded to. Guess I did not see that you'd replied. Happy to see we are of like mind.Yes - that's along the lines of what I have been thinking about - if the trading is so obvious that its causing grief site wide - then it'll have to be curtailed - and moderated - so as not to cause a stir - can't let spammers and scammers take over - that's always possible to avoid - but will take decisions that may irk some members - sometimes you gotta be cruel to be kind - in some minds - for the common good/harmony of the site -
ICMAG has always been about like minded people hooking up with each other - and sharing a craft and love of a plant - the last thing I'd want to do is ever discourage that -
I didn't think that's what was happening here? This area has always existed just exclusive to breeders and donors of I'm not mistaken. The only new part is old heads like me get to see the forum now. Everything else you talk about is already happening behind the scenes here no one talks about it.-
The question is - could we become the Craigslist of all things canna related - and not risk the attention and injustices of the law? -