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[exploziv]

I noticed a mention of the Icmag archive, would this include the defunct breeders sub forums like for BOG and Breeders Retail? I was disappointed to see them not publicly available anymore.

Many members like myself have been visiting this website since it's inception but have come and gone under various usernames so don't qualify under the current requirements. I was even once a lifetime subscriber of the site. I think that's the title it used to be. I remember doing it for the privilege of using an animated gif for a profile avatar. Cash sent global express. I hope those archived forums don't stay behind a paywall forever. There is so much shared knowledge and information in them. Many blessings and much love

Yes, they all in there or they gonna be (we still sorting through the bits that got hidden over the years and freeing them to the archive).
You could try to get back your old account, if you know enaugh details. If you were a lifetime subscriber, it probably wasn't on this username.
The main reason those forums were hidden is not to be made available to veterans and subscribers only, but they were hidden because the respective vendors stopped paying for their subforums. Only 3 or so vendor subforums were public (by mistake, admins didn't manage to hide them when they should have) and we had to put them in same place with the others as to have them all in one place, as to have it tidy and not create confussion with having 2 diferent archives in diferent places. Most forums would have chosen to delete old content, especially when the cost to host it and keep available grows more and more, we decided to keep it available to our older contributing members and those that want to support our forum. Sorry if that is an inconvenience to you, but afterall we are trying to make money to keep this forum going and available for the future. We can't leave paid subforums available for years after they stopped paying, as we are running a bussiness not a charity. And we have a way of rewarding our hardcore users as well, with this. Hope you can understand.

 

[Mr Jay]

Aww man, I was so bummed to hear about BOG. I really should have stocked up when I had the chance, RIP to an actual magical garden gnome.

 

[Senior Grower]

Hi,

I fully understand some of the rules regarding Veterans and Premium members. Now, € 120/yr. is not exactly very cheap for a retired old fart like me. I was about to pay anyway when I found out that I can't ask my own questions at Trading Post for a year.

So, in my case a Premium membership does not make much sense. Since I am specifically looking for 2 or 3 landraces at most over the coming year. (Well, 2 of those landraces are not really a problem since they seem to be available by reputable sellers elsewhere).

Now, if I am looking for the single one I can't find - I can't ask if somebody wants to trade/sell/whatever. If there is no thread by someone else, I am stuck. So, spending those € 120 as a newbie (at least here in this forum) does not make that much sense for me, does it?

I fully understand the reasons why you don't want newbies selling/offering their own stuff all over the place. And maybe they can be getting obnoxious asking for too many strains, too. But couldn't you let a newbie ask 2 or 3 questions in Trading Post during the first year? Because that is when you really need Trading Post - later on you know enough people you don't really have to rely on TP anyway.

As a relatively old guy I will be in my mid-70's when I become veteran and if the forum still exists then. So, I will have to go "Premium" until then, I suppose

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Mr Jay]

I hear and understand that, but the buffer is for safety. No amount of money can prove someone a stable and safe person to trade with. Only time can do that. As someone who has put in many years here I would be uncomfortable with people being able to buy their way into the trade section, no ifs ands or butts. There are plenty of vendors with a multitude of landrace strains, if you want money to get you those strains, that is how I would go about it.

What are you trying to find?

 

[Senior Grower]

No amount of money can prove someone a stable and safe person to trade with. Only time can do that. As someone who has put in many years here I would be uncomfortable with people being able to buy their way into the trade section, no ifs ands or butts. There are plenty of vendors with a multitude of landrace strains, if you want money to get you those strains, that is how I would go about it.

You are right here. The problem for me is that my main search is for pure, non-hybrid Punto Rojo. There are 3 options outside of forums so far: tucultivo.net - from all I've read a rip-off place. TLT - I would rather not buy from them after all I have read in the thread about them. And then there is North Coast Genetics. I don't know - there are mixed reviews about them. Well, this will be my go-to should all else fail. And if I find a grow thread about their PB that convinces me. Just found out about those yesterday.

I do not want to rip somebody off. Actually, there are many ways that a veteran grower here can ask for an up front deposit/reimbursement from a newbie like me. Well, I don't want to go deeper into that because that would mean creating a problem with TOU. I just mentioned the above because a) you asked and b) it is a good example.

Trust is always a two-sided sword, right? I fully understand that I would be the one who can't be trusted so far, simply because I am new to this forum. Actually, I fully understand. I am a longtime member of several chili forums. There, we have similar problems. For a few years, I always offered free isolated seeds for people with at least a few meaningful posts. Guess what? Mostly newbies with 0 posts or less than a dozen crap posts wanted my seeds. After a while, I only sent them free of charge (I paid for p&h myself) to established forum members. All others would have to send me a return envelope with a stamp on it. Which immediately reduced most of those peoples' need for my seeds to less than 1/3 of takers. And some bitching why I would treat them differently from real forum members. So, I know what you are talking about too well.

Now, return postage is not good enough for cannabis seed, I know. But there should be ways how to reimburse people.

Even with chili seeds there are a lot of shady vendors. I understand that in this business here the percentage of bad apples is even higher. Which is why I would much prefer to not waste my limited growing space with bird seed from shady commercial vendors.

 

[Redrum92]

What's up with the little green check marks? Is that "online now" or something else?

 

[Ringodoggie]

YOU have been selected as our very special "checkmark" winner of the day.

Check back later to see if you check out the new check in station.

Payment can be made by cash or credit card... no checks accepted.



Just kidding, I think it means you have been invited to the traders forum.

 

[Mr Jay]

I just mentioned the above because a) you asked and b) it is a good example.

This is a confusing statement as I have not asked you any questions.

I get it, you are probably exactly who you say you are and your motives are probably exactly what you say they are. However, we have absolutely no way of knowing that for sure. Time and quality of posts and interaction over time is the only way to verify the safety of a member.

I too have been forced to at times take a gamble on seeds with companies I am not that familiar with. Unfortunately this is the price of a growing domestic seed market, and at times you just have to take the risk as a consumer and purchase seeds from seed banks. Read reviews and roll the dice.

 

[wh1p3dm34t]

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[Senior Grower]

This is a confusing statement as I have not asked you any questions.

Refer to #344 last sentence

What are you trying to find?

Whatever. I already try to source my seeds from established commercial vendors. The only sad part is that there are quite a few bad apples among them. Which is not a huge problem if you are into hybrids - most of them are sold by at least one reputable company. I don't mind paying a little more to a reputable seller like Dutch Passion, Sensi Seeds, CSI Humboldt or so instead of some shady outfit.

When it gets to landraces, the story is different. That is why I elaborated on the Punto Rojo.

 

[Redrum92]

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[wh1p3dm34t]

i think it will be active over 1000 comments and 1 year old accounts

 

[Mr Jay]

Refer to #344 last sentence



Whatever. I already try to source my seeds from established commercial vendors. The only sad part is that there are quite a few bad apples among them. Which is not a huge problem if you are into hybrids - most of them are sold by at least one reputable company. I don't mind paying a little more to a reputable seller like Dutch Passion, Sensi Seeds, CSI Humboldt or so instead of some shady outfit.

When it gets to landraces, the story is different. That is why I elaborated on the Punto Rojo.

Heh, I guess I did ask. Hazard of the hobby, short term memory.

Sounds like you're going to have to shell out a couple of bucks to get what you want, just like everybody else.

 

[Senior Grower]

Sounds like you're going to have to shell out a couple of bucks to get what you want, just like everybody else.

Well, you misunderstood me again My problem is not money. Actually, for good to excellent seed of what I want I am willing to pay prime $.

I just don't want to pay money to people whose ethics I do not like. And I don't want to waste money on others who are known to be crooks wasting my time on lousy genetics. I have enough time until early next year to find what I want ... I guess. I already got a source for Mango Biche, still looking for good Punto Rojo from a decent seller. Maybe I'll try North Coast if I find a good review of PR from them somewhere.

 

[jessethestoner]

can people with 420 reaction scores still make it into the veterans group or do i have to post more?

 

[exploziv]

Sure. 420 points gets you there.

 

[jessethestoner]

score!

 

[spigolaro]

Icmag should be listed by UNESCO as a world heritage site of cannabis.
Since I have been educating myself and reading on the internet I have always hated chats while instead I love the Forum, the only true educational tool and where you find users who love this wonderful plant and it is a good at our disposal that must be shared among us enthusiasts; practically it is thanks to Icmag and its more expert users that I have learned to grow and then I like the idea of thinking that maybe in a hundred years someone will go and read my discussions because We are passing on to future generations our way of growing, each with their own ideas and techniques and in short Icmag has an inestimable value and I like this initiative I don't see anything wrong with it Imho obviously.
Unfortunately I don't write much and when I do it's to share my very modest grows, but I really like to program a grow diary because maybe it could be useful to some user and it satisfies me a lot internally.
As written in my threads I grow only and exclusively for my personal needs, I am not a breeder or a cannabis dealer, I do it with passion and humility because this magnificent plant has taught me the fast cycle of life and made me understand that Nature is wonderful, well I think I wrote too much bullshit hahahahahaha I'm confused sorry ahahahahaha but the gist of the speech This is.
Icmag rulez.....

 

[HempKat]

Icmag should be listed by UNESCO as a world heritage site of cannabis.
Since I have been educating myself and reading on the internet I have always hated chats while instead I love the Forum, the only true educational tool and where you find users who love this wonderful plant and it is a good at our disposal that must be shared among us enthusiasts; practically it is thanks to Icmag and its more expert users that I have learned to grow and then I like the idea of thinking that maybe in a hundred years someone will go and read my discussions because We are passing on to future generations our way of growing, each with their own ideas and techniques and in short Icmag has an inestimable value and I like this initiative I don't see anything wrong with it Imho obviously.
Unfortunately I don't write much and when I do it's to share my very modest grows, but I really like to program a grow diary because maybe it could be useful to some user and it satisfies me a lot internally.
As written in my threads I grow only and exclusively for my personal needs, I am not a breeder or a cannabis dealer, I do it with passion and humility because this magnificent plant has taught me the fast cycle of life and made me understand that Nature is wonderful, well I think I wrote too much bullshit hahahahahaha I'm confused sorry ahahahahaha but the gist of the speech This is.
Icmag rulez.....

That's a very lovely sentiment but just so you know, in case you don't, this site isn't the only one of it's kind out there. It might be the best now and it's probably the easiest to find. Some of the others operate by referal only to try to control who joins. I certainly hope this site is still around in 100 years to spread the knowledge it currently has as well as the knowledge it picks up in the next hundred years. Unfortunately things change and in a hundred years the internet as the public now knows it, might not be here any more. As the old saying goes, there is nothing constant but change. Another potential issue is that sites like these cost money to maintain and operate. I know from talking to the owner (Gypsy Nirvana) who is an active member here as well, that the site isn't bringing in as much money as it used to. I'm confident that Gypsy will keep it going as long as humanly possible but there could come a time when he has to sell it or shut it down. Selling it might keep it going but the new owners would likely be more motivate by the money they can make. Whereas Gypsy is motivated by passion and what this site represents. So to help keep it alive it would be good if more people donated or became subscription members or actually took advantage of buying things from the advertisers here. This site is a definite treasure trove of knowledge and resources but that isn't always enough. There was at least one other site Overgrow.com that was as much if not more of a valuable resource that no longer exists. Alas it was unfortunately lost several years ago when the owner of that site was busted and the equipment to run the site was confiscated.

 

[DARKSIDER]

That's a very lovely sentiment but just so you know, in case you don't, this site isn't the only one of it's kind out there. It might be the best now and it's probably the easiest to find. Some of the others operate by referal only to try to control who joins. I certainly hope this site is still around in 100 years to spread the knowledge it currently has as well as the knowledge it picks up in the next hundred years. Unfortunately things change and in a hundred years the internet as the public now knows it, might not be here any more. As the old saying goes, there is nothing constant but change. Another potential issue is that sites like these cost money to maintain and operate. I know from talking to the owner (Gypsy Nirvana) who is an active member here as well, that the site isn't bringing in as much money as it used to. I'm confident that Gypsy will keep it going as long as humanly possible but there could come a time when he has to sell it or shut it down. Selling it might keep it going but the new owners would likely be more motivate by the money they can make. Whereas Gypsy is motivated by passion and what this site represents. So to help keep it alive it would be good if more people donated or became subscription members or actually took advantage of buying things from the advertisers here. This site is a definite treasure trove of knowledge and resources but that isn't always enough. There was at least one other site Overgrow.com that was as much if not more of a valuable resource that no longer exists. Alas it was unfortunately lost several years ago when the owner of that site was busted and the equipment to run the site was confiscated.

Agreed subscriptions and donations would be a lot of help well said..