Inheritance In Seeds Question

[Tom Hill]

Hi Mofeta,

No sir i was never really upset only trying to keep you on track as the gentleman in this gentleman vs prick showdown.

I just feel it works much better that way than having 2 pricks hacking away at each other .. plus,, to be honest, acting poorly and disagreeable does not suit you sir i am much better at it.

You are correct of course, i am just fucking with everyone more than anything, it was never really about being correct or not, more an exercise in crowd psychology. It was about driving people to research and attempt to educate themselves if for no other reason than to put this prick in his place.. And i can almost guarantee you search engines (etc) of choice among spectators were burning up the whole time to that end. (i'd love to have a show of hands lol)

Sorry if some feel it is a shabby trick, but I learned some time ago that saying things like that authors thoughts are that of a son of a whore's is a much more effective way of getting folk to actually read something than saying "oh jee wiz that looks interesting"..

Anyway you performed wonderfully sir throughout, made many good points that were well taken, and we are very fortunate to have you around as you are extremely bright and i have always liked you as well.

I look forward to your return and wish you every advantage and good fortune in fixing whatever it is that requires your attention now and always. yours, -T

PS, do not confuse the above with conceding in regards to a great many of my points here, as i would not have said as much if i did not truly believe it

 

[Tonygreen]

haha, you guys here have helped steer my "education" for a long time. The more I learn the smaller I feel to be honest. One thing I know though is you can create your own luck to some measure if you put the numbers and math on your side... Have my projects been better off? I'd like to think my work over the last few years is heads and tails above my earlier stuff. Who knows though none of my shit has been run outside yet so maybe it's all bullshit , at least its progeny tested bullshit! (tray of cuts in the fridge to test for color! I pay attention Tom!)
Alot more thought has gone into what I am doing though, and I really appreciate the education, quite a few times good shit I thought I knew turned out to be bullshit!!

 

[Tom Hill]

Haldane's Seive:

In outcrossing diploid organisms, adaptation favors new mutations with a higher coefficient of dominance.

This is because this equation:

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shows that at very low initial frequency, alleles that don't express in the heterozygote (recessive), lag behind those that do (dominant) to such a degree that stochastic processes like drift tend to eliminate them before they can be fixed, even if the recessive allele is more fit (as the homozygote, of course).

I have to point out that this is only true with very low initial frequency

Can the reverse ever be said to be true?

and that when you said this:



You were quite incorrect. Once the frequency of the allele rises above a very low frequency, the only thing that mode of inheritance influences is the speed of change in frequency due to selective pressures.

You guys need only concern yourself with where I am correct lol. There is enough consensuses already somebody needs to provide some dissension in the ranks.

When I come back we should discuss some new stuff, eh? HapMap for weed? Linkange disequilibrium? Compressed sensing for massively polygenic traits of fine kind? Maybe read this if you haven't yet:

Genetic variance estimation with imputed variants finds negligible missing heritability for human height and body mass index

It's about humans, but it is also about strawberries if you read it right.

Again i very much look forward to it, sincerely..

 

[Sativied]

Hi Sativied

Yeah, I was asking Tom if it was correct that that was his assertion, not whether the statement was correct.

Did you see my post above? This one? I felt bad that I had missed your excellent contributions, and wanted to make sure to acknowledge them, and apologize for seeming to ignore them. Sorry about that! You did a good job of correcting Tom. I think he is coming around now. Then we can move on to more interesting stuff.

Hey Mofeta, I did not see that post nor the one I'm quoting now. Thanks for the kind words. I bailed out this thread figuring those who want to get it get it by now and I don't want to upset others. I'd be in the led or organics forum if that would tickle my fancy.

That comment is blasphemy and patently false and every bit as damaging as the wrong you are attempting to right.

I got to address that one though... That partial quote is a 'blatant' misrepresentation of my complete specific comment which is supported by anyone with an understanding of what dominance means, and especially what it doesn't mean. I have no bias or personal believes (blasphemy is non applicable in science) when it comes to the meaning of basic terminology. The reason I wrote those posts is because you said you didn't want to add to the misuse of the word and then went ahead doing exactly that by repeating the most common misconceptions. Made it hard to ignore like I usually do.

I personally don't see the need for an alternative to the word. There's no shame in making common misconceptions, they are afterall common, and learning from those common mistakes is great way to gain a better understanding. That, as every quest for knowledge, does require the ability to admit your own fallibility when you assert that you "know" something to be true even

 

[Tonygreen]

so did i fuck up throwing out all the little seed stock?

 

[MrBelvedere]

so did i fuck up throwing out all the little seed stock?

We're still biting our nails waiting to hear the correct answer.

 

[Tom Hill]

That partial quote is a 'blatant' misrepresentation of my complete specific comment

Yeah it was purposefully blatant in direct response to you filling a half a page previously in response to something i did not say but i guess it was lost on you.

Saw you in the breeders lab today, spending 20 minutes typing out responses to a couple of threads each but never pressing the send button. What happen? Some intro to biology a couple of cannabis inappropriate breeding schemes and the well is dry already? I am disappointed, and find it amusing that after all of that you chose to come back to this thread hahaha, engage soldier,, engage.

Or jee wiz, i hope they are at least getting some manual labor out of you over there too

Go back a few years,, then a few more and see how tiring it all is, then measure whether or not you may be missing the point thinking i need some kind of lesson from you regarding dominance or degrees of dominance or any of that parochial intro to biology crap? https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5755641&postcount=4 stop talking to "them",,, while you are pretending to talk to me.. Focus, or you will fall down and go boom.. This is the real reason for your lack of posts here,, you are scared to go out on a limb, as most desk-jobs are, as they are scared shitless of being demoted to manual labor lol.. I have nothing to fear,, i already work for a living so bring it.

We can't just go around gargling jizz all year and expect nobody to figure out how to vomit through their computer on us.

chop chop,, get to work https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7157132&postcount=283

 

[Mate Dave]

Big seed is the norm. Most the primal angiosperm plants have large seed and seed cases and are accessary fruits/achens like the Strawberry 'taxonomic eye' as described by Luther. Cannabis and one or two others from ancient times also conform to this.. Angiosperms have smaller seed than those of Gymnosperms. Modified leaf-stem.

Small is an evolutionary thing in my opinion. They rot and die mostly.. Prove it otherwise... Big seed favours a longer dormancy whereas small risk being non viable or quiescent.

Mottling is a natural semi-permiable seal and it attracts ants for aid of dispersal because of indehiscence and planting/storage.

The integument pattern is typical throughout F1's of a known pistillate individual throughout the breed of the pure lines.. Bring in outside Genes and it will still typically be of the Mitochondrial DNA..

In the fish world the Recessive gene individual is the best survivor, or the frontrunner of evolution as is found in the Common carp (Cyprinus carpio) and various organisms....