:::::::INFOWARS News Thread:::::::

[Wendull C.]

I know what you mean. Guys on here keep accusing me of being a leftist and garnering what I say from CNN or NBC or some other TV station but I don't even receive any news from TV. I listen to FOX radio in the evening and NPR in the morning and sometimes BBC and CBC.

Did someone actually substantiate the muriatic acid in the face thing? I know Gypsy pointed out that there were violent slimeballs on both sides but Pipeline piped up that the violence on the right was correctly justified.

If one steps back and looks at things objectively you can see that both sides use the tactic of accusing the other of doing exactly what they are doing. They also both fabricate and exaggerate, including [and especially] Trump.

What a mess huh?

Yes. One big mess.

Trump uses all the things you mentioned. He is a master troll who uses his"skills" to control the news cycle. Or make his opponents act in predictable ways distasteful to a lot of Americans.

Yet, we fall for it and argue. Meanwhile the professional wrestling match goes on while both sides slap each other on the back saying how great they whipped up the crowd. Paul Ryan and my favorite waste of a gobbler Mitch McConnell .

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

I have been looking into AGORISM lately, for those of you who are not aware of what that is:

Agorism is a libertarian social philosophy that advocates creating a society in which all relations between people are voluntary exchanges by means of counter-economics, thus engaging with aspects of peaceful revolution. It was first proposed by libertarian philosopher Samuel Edward Konkin III (1947–2004) at two conferences, CounterCon I in October 1974 and CounterCon II in May 1975.

Etymology.


Symbol for agorism, with a^3 standing for "agora, anarchy, action!"
The term was coined by Samuel Edward Konkin III and comes from the classical Greek word ἀγορά (agora) referring to an open place for assembly and market in a πόλις (polis, ancient Greek city states).

Origins.
According to Konkin, counter-economics and agorism were originally fighting concepts forged in the revolutionary atmosphere of 1972–1973. Konkin credits the Austrian School and particularly Ludwig von Mises as the base of economic thought leading to agorism and counter-economics.

In the 1960–1970s, there was an abundance of political alienation in the United States, particularly for those in favor of libertarian ideologies. Whereas Murray Rothbard chose to create political alliances between the Old Right and the New Left, Robert LeFevre and his West Coast followers pursued a non-participatory form of civil disobedience. Ultimately, LeFevre's anti-collaboration methods lost favor and faded away.
After the creation of the Libertarian Party in 1971, the debate shifted from anarchy vs. minarchism to partyarchy vs. agorism.


Flag of agorism in which the pattern represents anarchy and the colors represents the grey and black markets


The goal of agorism is the agora. The society of the open marketplace as near to untainted by theft, assault, and fraud as can be humanly attained is as close to a free society as can be achieved. And a free society is the only one in which each and every one of us can satisfy his or her subjective values without crushing others' values by violence and coercion.

— Samuel Edward Konkin III
Konkin characterized agorism as a form of left-libertarianism (specifically, left-wing market anarchism) and generally that agorism is a strategic branch of market anarchism.

The concept of counter-economics is the most critical element of agorism. It can be described as such:
The Counter-Economy is the sum of all non-aggressive Human Action which is forbidden by the State. Counter-economics is the study of the Counter-Economy and its practices. The Counter-Economy includes the free market, the Black Market, the "underground economy," all acts of civil and social disobedience, all acts of forbidden association (sexual, racial, cross-religious), and anything else the State, at any place or time, chooses to prohibit, control, regulate, tax, or tariff. The Counter-Economy excludes all State-approved action (the "White Market") and the Red Market (violence and theft not approved by the State).


*more here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agorism - there are so many different politically orientated groups to learn about - I got pointed at Agorism by Breeder Steve a while ago, and it does sound interesting.

 

[Cannavore]

You obviously don't know what those words mean. Lol.

Keep on shining, you crazy extremist. Keep on shining.

as usual. the complete opposite of what you said is true. it is you who clearly doesn't know what those words mean.


"Although the word libertarian continues to be widely used to refer to anti-state socialists internationally, its meaning in the United States has deviated from its political origins."

 

[Cannavore]

Do you know why globalism exist and why it popular with governments? Hint: win/win on many fronts. Another hint: The people with money and power are NOT out to get you. They actually care about the world. If Trump wasn't snowing you for your vote, he'd be all over it too.

If i wasn't on my phone I'd list them for you.

people like pipeline use the word globalist for anything they dislike. they can't actually define globalism in their own words. it's no different than the right wings obsession with socialism. everything bad is socialism yet they can't define socialism.

these people are actual NPC's

 

[Microbeman]

I have been looking into AGORISM lately, for those of you who are not aware of what that is:

Agorism is a libertarian social philosophy that advocates creating a society in which all relations between people are voluntary exchanges by means of counter-economics, thus engaging with aspects of peaceful revolution. It was first proposed by libertarian philosopher Samuel Edward Konkin III (1947–2004) at two conferences, CounterCon I in October 1974 and CounterCon II in May 1975.

Etymology.


Symbol for agorism, with a^3 standing for "agora, anarchy, action!"
The term was coined by Samuel Edward Konkin III and comes from the classical Greek word ἀγορά (agora) referring to an open place for assembly and market in a πόλις (polis, ancient Greek city states).

Origins.
According to Konkin, counter-economics and agorism were originally fighting concepts forged in the revolutionary atmosphere of 1972–1973. Konkin credits the Austrian School and particularly Ludwig von Mises as the base of economic thought leading to agorism and counter-economics.

In the 1960–1970s, there was an abundance of political alienation in the United States, particularly for those in favor of libertarian ideologies. Whereas Murray Rothbard chose to create political alliances between the Old Right and the New Left, Robert LeFevre and his West Coast followers pursued a non-participatory form of civil disobedience. Ultimately, LeFevre's anti-collaboration methods lost favor and faded away.
After the creation of the Libertarian Party in 1971, the debate shifted from anarchy vs. minarchism to partyarchy vs. agorism.


Flag of agorism in which the pattern represents anarchy and the colors represents the grey and black markets


The goal of agorism is the agora. The society of the open marketplace as near to untainted by theft, assault, and fraud as can be humanly attained is as close to a free society as can be achieved. And a free society is the only one in which each and every one of us can satisfy his or her subjective values without crushing others' values by violence and coercion.

— Samuel Edward Konkin III
Konkin characterized agorism as a form of left-libertarianism (specifically, left-wing market anarchism) and generally that agorism is a strategic branch of market anarchism.

The concept of counter-economics is the most critical element of agorism. It can be described as such:
The Counter-Economy is the sum of all non-aggressive Human Action which is forbidden by the State. Counter-economics is the study of the Counter-Economy and its practices. The Counter-Economy includes the free market, the Black Market, the "underground economy," all acts of civil and social disobedience, all acts of forbidden association (sexual, racial, cross-religious), and anything else the State, at any place or time, chooses to prohibit, control, regulate, tax, or tariff. The Counter-Economy excludes all State-approved action (the "White Market") and the Red Market (violence and theft not approved by the State).


*more here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agorism - there are so many different politically orientated groups to learn about - I got pointed at Agorism by Breeder Steve a while ago, and it does sound interesting.

Huh? I had never heard of this. Interesting. An open market place and global society sounds like a great goal for the human race. Especially with stewardship of the environment, horticulture and economics being sustainably nature based instead of greed and growth based as it is currently.

As growers we seem capable of learning the value of sustainability but have tremendous issue applying it to our economy and lifestyle. All part of evolution I hope.

 

[packerfan79]

I have been looking into AGORISM lately, for those of you who are not aware of what that is:

Agorism is a libertarian social philosophy that advocates creating a society in which all relations between people are voluntary exchanges by means of counter-economics, thus engaging with aspects of peaceful revolution. It was first proposed by libertarian philosopher Samuel Edward Konkin III (1947–2004) at two conferences, CounterCon I in October 1974 and CounterCon II in May 1975.

Etymology.


Symbol for agorism, with a^3 standing for "agora, anarchy, action!"
The term was coined by Samuel Edward Konkin III and comes from the classical Greek word ἀγορά (agora) referring to an open place for assembly and market in a πόλις (polis, ancient Greek city states).

Origins.
According to Konkin, counter-economics and agorism were originally fighting concepts forged in the revolutionary atmosphere of 1972–1973. Konkin credits the Austrian School and particularly Ludwig von Mises as the base of economic thought leading to agorism and counter-economics.

In the 1960–1970s, there was an abundance of political alienation in the United States, particularly for those in favor of libertarian ideologies. Whereas Murray Rothbard chose to create political alliances between the Old Right and the New Left, Robert LeFevre and his West Coast followers pursued a non-participatory form of civil disobedience. Ultimately, LeFevre's anti-collaboration methods lost favor and faded away.
After the creation of the Libertarian Party in 1971, the debate shifted from anarchy vs. minarchism to partyarchy vs. agorism.


Flag of agorism in which the pattern represents anarchy and the colors represents the grey and black markets


The goal of agorism is the agora. The society of the open marketplace as near to untainted by theft, assault, and fraud as can be humanly attained is as close to a free society as can be achieved. And a free society is the only one in which each and every one of us can satisfy his or her subjective values without crushing others' values by violence and coercion.

— Samuel Edward Konkin III
Konkin characterized agorism as a form of left-libertarianism (specifically, left-wing market anarchism) and generally that agorism is a strategic branch of market anarchism.

The concept of counter-economics is the most critical element of agorism. It can be described as such:
The Counter-Economy is the sum of all non-aggressive Human Action which is forbidden by the State. Counter-economics is the study of the Counter-Economy and its practices. The Counter-Economy includes the free market, the Black Market, the "underground economy," all acts of civil and social disobedience, all acts of forbidden association (sexual, racial, cross-religious), and anything else the State, at any place or time, chooses to prohibit, control, regulate, tax, or tariff. The Counter-Economy excludes all State-approved action (the "White Market") and the Red Market (violence and theft not approved by the State).


*more here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agorism - there are so many different politically orientated groups to learn about - I got pointed at Agorism by Breeder Steve a while ago, and it does sound interesting.

Very interesting Gypsy, my only question is how do you get rid of the theft, assault, and fraud without creating state run institutions, i.e. courts, prisons, civil fines etc. I think it could work in a small homogeneous country, a country with a cultural focus on morality. Love your neighbor, but also expect moral behavior. Seems a lot like strict libertarianism, the American left hates libertarianism. They don't want the responsibility that goes along with that much freedom. IMO.

It's good someone is looking at something other that just socialism vs. Capitalism. As long as their is no authoritarian government involved, I am all ears.

 

[Cannavore]

Right-Libertariansim: The Inception
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB3MkTXPJ8Q

[YOUTUBEIF]wB3MkTXPJ8Q[/YOUTUBEIF]


i know the right likes to talk about YouTube censorship but tell me guys, have you ever seen a more censored YouTube channel in your life?

US Libertarianism = Rockefeller financed corporate tyranny

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

That's a tricky question - and yes it would need to have a cultural focus on morality and duty to be able to create a vested interest in maintaining the status quo - If kids are raised and educated well and form a conscience towards maintaining their own free society, it could work - of course there will always be a few bad apples - those that cheat and steal and are violent - but if that can be somehow kept to a minimum thru communal pastoral care and defence of some sort - that could be the solution.

Very interesting Gypsy, my only question is how do you get rid of the theft, assault, and fraud without creating state run institutions, i.e. courts, prisons, civil fines etc. I think it could work in a small homogeneous country, a country with a cultural focus on morality. Love your neighbor, but also expect moral behavior. Seems a lot like strict libertarianism, the American left hates libertarianism. They don't want the responsibility that goes along with that much freedom. IMO.

It's good someone is looking at something other that just socialism vs. Capitalism. As long as their is no authoritarian government involved, I am all ears.

 

[Microbeman]

That's a tricky question - and yes it would need to have a cultural focus on morality and duty to be able to create a vested interest in maintaining the status quo - If kids are raised and educated well and form a conscience towards maintaining their own free society, it could work - of course there will always be a few bad apples.

Ensuring free standardized education would be key. There would be no reason there could not be local court/justice enforcement systems. British Columbia indigenous people have a good operational model.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

“In an agorist society, division of labor and self-respect of each worker-capitalist entrepreneur will probably eliminate the traditional business organization – especially the corporate hierarchy, an imitation of the State and not the Market. Most companies will be associations of independent contractors, consultants, and other companies. Many may be just one entrepreneur and all his services, computers, suppliers and customers. This mode of operation is already around and growing in the freer segments of Western economies.”

The Rise of Crypto-Agorism: How Agorism is Thriving Thanks to Cryptocurrencies
https://btcmanager.com/the-rise-of-...orism-is-thriving-thanks-to-cryptocurrencies/

 

[Absolem]

Because of the tariffs Trump has put on foreign governments it has cost our farmers in the US lost revenue.

To compensate for the loss to US farmers Trump gave them a bail out for 16 billion.

Seems kinda weird for conservatives on here to complain about socialism when Trump is using socialism to bail out the farmers.

I guess they don't see the 16 billion in free handouts to the US farmers as socialism.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

another interesting link about Agorism:

'From my understanding agorism is a way to bring about a political/economic change to anarcho-capitalism. Right now society could not handle an abrupt cessation of the government without descending into complete anarchy with various factions fighting and trying to regain control, territory, resources, etc. By applying the method of agorism this chaos could be avoided for a more favourable peaceful (although longer) transition. Building up the grey market/underground economies, as well as the increase in privatization of current government functions will show people that the government is not necessary. More and more people would adopt ancap beliefs and eventually the government will loose control of the people.
In short agorism is a possible method for the formation of a voluntary society'.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Agorism/co..._between_agorism_and/?st=jxqocina&sh=f1b5b3ce

 

[redlaser]

I can tell you one thing. You pawns in your masks will be the first to receive the wrath of those that have not been pushed far enough. Yet.

If I go to do dirt, I want you to know it was me.

Forcible suppression of the opposition is part of Fascism.

Sounds like that is what you are advocating in this post.

 

[White Beard]

You don't think he believed it do you? This is what prompted my post that Pipeline is a jokester. It is really seeming like Infowars is one enormous parody with the right wingers receiving the 'butt' so to speak. Something like the old The Colbert Report.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb5U-Gn7eh4

Puts me in mind of one of the very few Socratic epigrams I value:
“The unexamined life is not worth living”

Of course he didn’t/doesn’t believe me: he’s already wide open to whatever gives the magic word on the way in, there’s no room for anything but what’s he already believes.

But there’s a larger conversation. Not everyone who reads, comments. There are always people who can benefit from being told the truth, even if it does set some hair on fire.

 

[White Beard]

Very interesting Gypsy, my only question is how do you get rid of the theft, assault, and fraud without creating state run institutions, i.e. courts, prisons, civil fines etc. I think it could work in a small homogeneous country, a country with a cultural focus on morality. Love your neighbor, but also expect moral behavior. Seems a lot like strict libertarianism, the American left hates libertarianism. They don't want the responsibility that goes along with that much freedom. IMO.

It's good someone is looking at something other that just socialism vs. Capitalism. As long as their is no authoritarian government involved, I am all ears.

Summary punishments, like branding, limb-loss, blinding, are the usual resorts for communities with no government, because in those cases, punishment must be certain, and leave a mark. Good luck keeping a country if there’s no delegated agency of the people.

I was myself a libertarian for some 20 years: the movers and shakers locally were an after-dinner debating society centered around three guys who always did almost all of the talking. Then the social darwinists moved in and took over, all the ‘edgy’ guys who wanted to modernize the Bircher prayer book started saying, “ I’m NOT a Republican, I’m a libertarian” and took to talking up Austrian-school economics.

When I saw the “libertarian” platform of David Koch when he ran in ‘80, I knew the LP was over as a philosophically distinct thing.

 

[CaptainDankness]

Sounds like something a proud boy fascist would say

Sounds like something ANTIFA would say.

I doubt the Proud Boys are fascist though they have colored folk.

But what he said is true people are going to end up dieing on both sides and if it gets too bad we will have martial law. Thankfully I live in the mountains so I probably won't see a single soldier.

 

[redlaser]

Sounds like something ANTIFA would say.

I doubt the Proud Boys are fascist though they have colored folk.

But what he said is true people are going to end up dieing on both sides and if it gets too bad we will have martial law. Thankfully I live in the mountains so I probably won't see a single soldier.

Antifa and every other anti fascist would probably say the same thing.

Since far right violence greatly eclipses the left, it’s reasonable to have some more active individuals like Antifa to push back.

Fascist types would like to suppress the opposition to far right ideologies through force.

Wonder which came first, the fascist or the anti fascist?

Would antifa exist without fascists?

 

[Cannavore]

Only white people can be fascists?

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Only white people say "colored folk"...

 

[Wendull C.]

Forcible suppression of the opposition is part of Fascism.

Sounds like that is what you are advocating in this post.

So, by your own definition antifa is a fascist organization?

Milkshakes anyone? By any means necessary?

Do we agree on that?