Indonesia and papua new guinea

[romanoweed]

@ chi i didnt compare the wrong things to each other, i simply compared modern Thai to old Thai. My strongest experience came from a Vietnamese Line. Since i only seen like 10 modern viet lines, i compared the 50 modern thai lines to the old thai i smoked long ago.

Man, i long ago smoked an old 70s vietnamese line grown from seed in european indoorenviroment. Aswell old thai grown in europe.

I didnt mean to make the Statement there is zero good Thai in SEAsia, but it appears fucking rare, i atleast never seen it

I say the same as Mustafunk: the good lines are rather in the hands of western Collectors these days.

 

[Donald Mallard]

I think when when you look at things properly and weigh them up against a one time profound trippy experience vs a situation were hundreds of thousands of people consistently for more than a decade are having the same intense, profoundly life long impression, mind altering trippy heart racing experience...and then suddenly not having that and evryone noticing that the quality has completely changed desipite the goods comings imported from the same area and been grown in the same area, and sometimes in the exact same farms then we know something is wrong....so saying that those genetics are still the same as the high quality lines from the 60s' 70s and early 80s is clearly untrue....some maybe similar/same...but its obvious that those earlier high powered high quality lines had either gone underground or more likely lost through hybridization...not all of them but clearly some of the best disappeared and are probably most likely lost. (Apart from any small amounts perhaps kept in private collections)

well dont forget about the eradication darkie ,
these varieties are no longer grown in the amounts they were , not even close too ,
this has had a huge impact both in the availability , and with the quality of the seed base ,
its true that good samples can still be found in those places if you dare to venture there ,
but outside and via random seed lots , its a lot rarer than it once was ,
its not hybridization that has been the problem so much , more eradication ...

 

[Donald Mallard]

@ chi i didnt compare the wrong things to each other, i simply compared modern Thai to old Thai. My strongest experience came from a Vietnamese Line. Since i only seen like 10 modern viet lines, i compared the 50 modern thai lines to the old thai i smoked long ago.

Man, i long ago smoked an old 70s vietnamese line grown from seed in european indoorenviroment. Aswell old thai grown in europe.

I didnt mean to make the Statement there is zero good Thai in SEAsia, but it appears fucking rare, i atleast never seen it

I say the same as Mustafunk: the good lines are rather in the hands of western Collectors these days.

you need to go to those places i think man ,
it would help even more if you had some contacts there first ,
then u would experience what you are looking for,
having good south east asian pot arriving at your doorstep is a thing of the past ,
most folks that tour around those places still today tend to find something of interest , as chi has mentioned , and others on these boards , its just more illusive than it once was mostly due to illegality , not because what once was has been replaced by hybrids ...

 

[romanoweed]

well, i do it my Way, i hunt for the deepest best and most unbelevable Tripweed.

have seen collections of Steve Dandoo, Bodhi, and numerous hunters. i am skeptical if i personally would manage to get into deeper contacts. Thats simply too big of an undertaking for me. Especially in relation to that nobody ever even told he found the holy grail Tripweed on his recent trips .. If i would hear that, who knows..
i anyway found old private Lines out western Hands already.

 

[OnlyPureSativas]

well, i do it my Way, i hunt for the deepest best and most unbelevable Tripweed.

have seen collections of Steve Dandoo, Bodhi, and numerous hunters. i am skeptical if i personally would manage to get into deeper contacts. Thats simply too big of an undertaking for me. Especially in relation to that nobody ever even told he found the holy grail Tripweed on his recent trips .. If i would hear that, who knows..
i anyway found old private Lines out western Hands already.

So you do have old line tripweed but from the west?

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Donald didnt you used to have a really good line from png....I remember some of your pictures from about 8-10 years back..the buds used to come out kind of redish gold......do you still have access to that...when I saw that one I have to say I was impressed....looked wild yet regal.

 

[Donald Mallard]

well that was weird , double post , so i deleted one and they were both deleted ,, bugger ..

 

[bushed]

I once took a 6 week break, I normally smoke in door but as my break came to an end I was given an Oz of outdoor. It was sativa leaning but I would highly doubt anything to pure. I had one of the trippiest experiences of my life more intense than acid or mushrooms. By the end of the week of smoking every day it was just normal weed.

I think what you guys are looking for is solved by a long break and a little bit of youthful wonderment which is probably never coming back. Not in a mythical extinct plant. That's not to say I don't think that some lines have more of the trippy feel, happy hunting.

 

[Chi13]

I once took a 6 week break, I normally smoke in door but as my break came to an end I was given an Oz of outdoor. It was sativa leaning but I would highly doubt anything to pure. I had one of the trippiest experiences of my life more intense than acid or mushrooms. By the end of the week of smoking every day it was just normal weed.

I think what you guys are looking for is solved by a long break and a little bit of youthful wonderment which is probably never coming back. Not in a mythical extinct plant. That's not to say I don't think that some lines have more of the trippy feel, happy hunting.

I get where you are coming from and a break can utterly change things.

But many of us in the 70s and 80s were smoking a lot. Personally I was high from morning until night for a decade. Even with this amount of consuming and tolerance, trip weed would still give you that incredible experience.

A friend of mine was growing some incredibly potent weed in early 80s. You would be at a party after smoking all night, very high, then he would arrive with his pot and it would cut through everything and you'd be on another level. This is the sort of stuff we are discussing when we talk of trip weed. I have heard the "set and setting" argument a lot, but really it is from people who have not experienced stuff like this.

 

[romanoweed]

hmm, that trippiest strain (i mean the exact same line) i smoked had numerous People reporting of beeing the most hallucinogenic weed ever experienced. , and i feel it may been only possible for you to get that high cause you A: made a long break and B: smoked the best genetics in world.

even if you say it appeard hybrid, i atleast think that B is very importend, if not ultra importend, wich brings us to C:there is a Genetic ot there wich can even be smoked quiet regularly and will remain atleast resonably insane in effect.
Wich is what i heard

And i think its the same with mushrooms, if you do it every day, well.. it will be pretty insane, but slightly softer. Might be depending on the Strain, but lets stick with it, i heard you can even smoke it daily and come close to your limits

 

[Thesearch]

i have seen like 50 Thai lines from private Collectors from their Vacations, basicaly none of them came in my Collection . They visibly are different to the old Thai.

But its not just about the Leafe Size. Those are often thin-leaved lines today.

@realseedcompany actually showed a new Study about raising Hybridisation in India published by Robert Clarke. They prooved northern Indian became pretty much genetically the same as southern Indian per Example. Hybridisation seems to be full on happening.
Still: the Leavesize did not really change. Cause doo todays Sativa look more like Indicas? Obviously not exactly. I feel, the Hybridisation hides pretty well compared to the extent that was reported in the Study.
I speculate Broadleave subsequently gets selected out by Enviroment once introduced, but genetically it still remains in it . The study prooved it happend, but the eye cant spot it.
Atleast its not that simple as: Thick leaf hbridised, thin Leaf pure

BUT, well the most trippy line i ever smoked was very thinleaved. BUT it remains an uncomplete indicator for strong, good old Tripweed

well dont forget about the eradication darkie ,
these varieties are no longer grown in the amounts they were , not even close too ,
this has had a huge impact both in the availability , and with the quality of the seed base ,
its true that good samples can still be found in those places if you dare to venture there ,
but outside and via random seed lots , its a lot rarer than it once was ,
its not hybridization that has been the problem so much , more eradication ...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7148385/

PhytoKeys. 2020; 144: 81–112.
Published online 2020 Apr 3

A classification of endangered high-THC cannabis (Cannabis sativa subsp. indica) domesticates and their wild relatives

John M. McPartland and Ernest Small

"Conclusions
The four Cannabis varieties circumscribed and named here merit formal recognition. Recognizing infraspecific taxa helps to identify populations vulnerable to extinction (e.g., Ellstrand 2003; Haig et al. 2006). In the wake of the United Nations Biodiversity Convention, infraspecific variation has become a focus for conservation efforts (Coates et al. 2018). Recognizing the four Cannabis varieties and their unique morphological and chemical characters also provides “prior art,” thwarting claims of originality in Cannabis utility patents.


Collection and conservation of germplasm of indigenous populations of Central and South Asian landraces in their centers of diversity is urgently needed. The germplasm base outside their centers of diversity has become genetically contaminated by widespread crossbreeding. In the context of climate change and unpredictable future needs, in situ conservation of agrobiodiversity is much preferable for crop plants and their wild relatives, but given the precarious continued existence of unaltered aboriginal wild populations of Cannabis in Asia, preservation in seed banks is an immediate priority. Hopefully the unambiguous names provided may help prevent extinction of these taxa."

Just read a really interesting study on this subject. Hope you all enjoy the read

 

[yesum]

I get where you are coming from and a break can utterly change things.

But many of us in the 70s and 80s were smoking a lot. Personally I was high from morning until night for a decade. Even with this amount of consuming and tolerance, trip weed would still give you that incredible experience.

A friend of mine was growing some incredibly potent weed in early 80s. You would be at a party after smoking all night, very high, then he would arrive with his pot and it would cut through everything and you'd be on another level. This is the sort of stuff we are discussing when we talk of trip weed. I have heard the "set and setting" argument a lot, but really it is from people who have not experienced stuff like this.

Both posts are correct but the second one is more complete. People that missed the early days of pot as in before 1980 or so, just can not understand what they missed. Pre 1970 would be more correct in terms of trip weed heyday.

Mostly they missed stems, seeds, staleness, debris, leaves, low potency, lack of choice in strains. I do not have rose colored glasses on. I remember. Trying to clone a Sumatran that gave me slight visual 'trails'. I personally do not have any pot that will trip me out unless I have not smoked it lately, or even anything for at least a few days.

 

[bushed]

I get where you are coming from and a break can utterly change things.

But many of us in the 70s and 80s were smoking a lot. Personally I was high from morning until night for a decade. Even with this amount of consuming and tolerance, trip weed would still give you that incredible experience.

A friend of mine was growing some incredibly potent weed in early 80s. You would be at a party after smoking all night, very high, then he would arrive with his pot and it would cut through everything and you'd be on another level. This is the sort of stuff we are discussing when we talk of trip weed. I have heard the "set and setting" argument a lot, but really it is from people who have not experienced stuff like this.

How old was you when you had these trippy experiences in the 70's? How likely is it that it had been a while between great smokes, compared to now that all our cababoid receptors are fried from all the high thc weed we consume.

Things are fun and we take things to the extreme when we are young. Things are new and exciting. Again that's not to say that there weren't more trippy import readily available back then. I just disagree that these traits have been lost.

I had a great experience smoking Thai weed on ko Toa, exploring the inlands on a Honda dirt bike.

 

[Chi13]

How old was you when you had these trippy experiences in the 70's? How likely is it that it had been a while between great smokes, compared to now that all our cababoid receptors are fried from all the high thc weed we consume.

Things are fun and we take things to the extreme when we are young. Things are new and exciting. Again that's not to say that there weren't more trippy import readily available back then. I just disagree that these traits have been lost.

I had a great experience smoking Thai weed on ko Toa, exploring the inlands on a Honda dirt bike.

I was smoking heavily for about 15 years between my teens and early 30s. I would put it down to youth and nostalgia if I hadn't had a more recent experience, not with trip weed, but something that reminded me very much of it. Laos. And no, it's not all lost.

 

[ahortator]

Hello. Chi13, what you say is really interesting. I was born in late 70's and here in Southern Europe we had and still have only crappy soapbar, so I can say nothing about that trip weed you have there. But nowadays all superweed with those high THC levels are actually heavilyy indica/BLD influenced with a different cannabinoid and terpene profile than the psychedelic sativas of the past. I guess perhaps if your blood, system or receptors are clogged with those different cannabinoids and terpenes, perhaps it could explain why you were able to smoke tons of weed (mainly Mexican or Colombian sativas, I presume) in the 60's or 70's and still got sent to the hyperspace by an outstanding sativa like Thai. While today it is more difficult or impossible however doing the same but with modern hybrid strains containing indica genetics as stapple weed and smoking the same outstanding Thai later.

It is only an hypothesis.

 

[Red October]

I agree with you, they can test thc in your blood for months after use because it's fat soluble and slowly leaches out into your blood stream. When you have certain levels specific thc and cbd in your system I'm quite sure they will start working as inhibitors.

 

[romanoweed]

@ahorator thats just a theory. same as with the seldon-smoking-theory.
its just that. sadly i dont have enough evidence to even debounck this clearly.

Cause i didnt smoke thaaaat much when i had tripweed in Year 2000.

There was a fair amount of modern-hybrid stuff aroundback then , nearly as normal as today.

But im lead to believe otherwise cause: Again: multiple People reported that exact Line as the strongest , most psychedelic weed ever in 2000 in Europe when it made its rounds.

I think we cover alot of Theories with that Knowledge.

What we possibly forgot to look at : A: we simply smoke Modern Thai, instead old Thai. B: if its old Thai, it might be degraded trough inbreeding, and trpough 3, 4 open pollinations. cause C: Landraces are made in huge populations, acording whats written in the books. i lately showed a link to it, if i should paste it again?. So, the way we are threating the Leagacy with our breedingpractises , may be also what degrades tripweed to enhancing weed.
D: What donald Duck says: The last frontier to tripweed is to grow i t right. Fullspectrum lamps i guess, humidity....

I think you heard(know) much of what i sayd already @ahorator.

If someone wants me to put in link again, tell me.

 

[romanoweed]

Possibly you think i going mythwndering with C: the breedingpractises. If thats the case ask yourselve who created the Legandary Thai, Thailand or Biologists?

Thats why i dont have trust in modern way of breeding. Well...its actually how people lay it out. Actually today Breeders know we need populations of 2000 Plants to avoid inbreeding depro, but many , even the b"best" breeders just dont look at that. That is itselve super cool, but then when i ask people about inbreeding-degradation, they say it doesent eist at all. Wich may be coming from "the best" not looking at that, they are not the problem.. but the idea it dosent eist appears to me problematic, well it contradicts what we KNOW.

I think any old Thai you might even get, is at possibly 2 times open pollinated, one time selected in small numbers. or much bader. that already might kill it. right?
In the end modern breeding , all this mendel pugnet squares are not descrybing any formula how to carry on a Line out its native enviiroment.. No problem you think?

 

[romanoweed]

@ahorator

So, i think your Theory might be also true to a degree, but not like you need to flush your brain for 6 months to be able to trip. For me it was just important to point very important other Dealbreakers first. Read point A, B, C. Snowhigh himselve actually sayd : one shouldnt intake any CBD the day, or even the week you plan to smoke Tripweed. But who knows if he has the strongest weed. The strongest weed was making its rounds in 2000 still, still people were tripping

 

[Drewsif]

I once took a 6 week break, I normally smoke in door but as my break came to an end I was given an Oz of outdoor. It was sativa leaning but I would highly doubt anything to pure. I had one of the trippiest experiences of my life more intense than acid or mushrooms. By the end of the week of smoking every day it was just normal weed.

I think what you guys are looking for is solved by a long break and a little bit of youthful wonderment which is probably never coming back. Not in a mythical extinct plant. That's not to say I don't think that some lines have more of the trippy feel, happy hunting.

When you smoke hash all day every day, a 6 week break isn't a break. Anything shorter than a year is a myth when it comes to adjusting tolerance of a chronic user.

Anyone who doesn't have a stock pile of good genetics better start getting them. Around 2012 all the old growers I knew started doing the sensi thing and accepting shit genetics into their spots. Time is ticking. The Midwest is only 2 decades behind the rest of the countries stupid trends nowadays