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India tropical NLDs
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SUPER_HAZE
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Lovely plants. Are the seeds from a seed bank? I would like to have some in my collection
Here are a few photos of my green pheno Shilong plant. Pretty impressive for a tribal domesticate "landrace" and not a bred line from a commercial breeder. I'm really surprised no western commercial breeders have worked with this type. Plenty have worked with other tropical NLDs but I'm not aware of any working with this or anything from tropical India other than Kerala.
You can see this was grown in a 65 gallon fabric grow bag. I would prefer to grow it in the ground but didn't have a spot available. This spot was very sunny but also could be very windy sometimes and not only did this grow bushy with many branches but it was incredibly tough. No branches broke in from wind which often can happen to other types in that spot. The main stem was thick and solid in the soil. Often plants get knocked over by afternoon winds where the stem meets the soil but not this one. It stayed vertical no matter what. Flowering got going in September and is mostly done now. Although in a more friendly climate it might go a bit further. This has also shown strong disease resistance which is needed here to make it this late. It has seen several rain storms and many cold damp nights.
I'm not great at describing scents but I'd say this has a deep low tone tropical fruit mixed with spices aroma. Can't really describe the effects yet.
You can see this was grown in a 65 gallon fabric grow bag. I would prefer to grow it in the ground but didn't have a spot available. This spot was very sunny but also could be very windy sometimes and not only did this grow bushy with many branches but it was incredibly tough. No branches broke in from wind which often can happen to other types in that spot. The main stem was thick and solid in the soil. Often plants get knocked over by afternoon winds where the stem meets the soil but not this one. It stayed vertical no matter what. Flowering got going in September and is mostly done now. Although in a more friendly climate it might go a bit further. This has also shown strong disease resistance which is needed here to make it this late. It has seen several rain storms and many cold damp nights.
I'm not great at describing scents but I'd say this has a deep low tone tropical fruit mixed with spices aroma. Can't really describe the effects yet.
goingrey
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Nice plant, quite the bush!Here are a few photos of my green pheno Shilong plant. Pretty impressive for a tribal domesticate "landrace" and not a bred line from a commercial breeder. I'm really surprised no western commercial breeders have worked with this type. Plenty have worked with other tropical NLDs but I'm not aware of any working with this or anything from tropical India other than Kerala.
You can see this was grown in a 65 gallon fabric grow bag. I would prefer to grow it in the ground but didn't have a spot available. This spot was very sunny but also could be very windy sometimes and not only did this grow bushy with many branches but it was incredibly tough. No branches broke in from wind which often can happen to other types in that spot. The main stem was thick and solid in the soil. Often plants get knocked over by afternoon winds where the stem meets the soil but not this one. It stayed vertical no matter what. Flowering got going in September and is mostly done now. Although in a more friendly climate it might go a bit further. This has also shown strong disease resistance which is needed here to make it this late. It has seen several rain storms and many cold damp nights.
I'm not great at describing scents but I'd say this has a deep low tone tropical fruit mixed with spices aroma. Can't really describe the effects yet.
Mandala has worked with some Indian genetics. More so with northern ones but also some southern (Kalichakra, Krystalica).
It appears at the moment there is about a week more of favorable weather. It might continue but that's how it looks now. This green pheno Phoolwani is getting closer but might not get to fully mature in a week. Or it might, I don't know. Smells very nice now. Tropical fruit. I hope it makes it. Buds still show growth with new white stigma coming out as you can see in the second photo.
Where I am near the central California coast at at 37°N seems to be where growing something like this is just barely possible. It requires a late starting rainy season and involves luck and timing with no wet cold weather for the final 2 to 3 weeks to maturity. One must be willing to take the chance. But in recent years it seems climate change has caused a slow beginning to the rainy season so chances are better than in the past.
I also have a very red stem Phoolwani with purple flowers and a different scent.
Where I am near the central California coast at at 37°N seems to be where growing something like this is just barely possible. It requires a late starting rainy season and involves luck and timing with no wet cold weather for the final 2 to 3 weeks to maturity. One must be willing to take the chance. But in recent years it seems climate change has caused a slow beginning to the rainy season so chances are better than in the past.
I also have a very red stem Phoolwani with purple flowers and a different scent.
My green pheno Shilong is finally arriving at maturity although some branches more than others. These photos show what mature flowers look like with fully developed bracts and no new white stigmas emerging.
I'm lucky to get to this point. There's been two weeks of dry sunny days although the nights are cold and long.
The tropical types like this can be pulled off here but I don't think I quite get the full potential of the genetics due to the sun being much less strong this time of year and short 10 hour days. Cold nights are another thing they aren't used to. With some luck, I can probably get these to something like 80 - 90% of the potential they can reach where they come from.
I'm lucky to get to this point. There's been two weeks of dry sunny days although the nights are cold and long.
The tropical types like this can be pulled off here but I don't think I quite get the full potential of the genetics due to the sun being much less strong this time of year and short 10 hour days. Cold nights are another thing they aren't used to. With some luck, I can probably get these to something like 80 - 90% of the potential they can reach where they come from.
Forest of Cheem
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Whatever happened with these? I’m growing some Araku Mango and Ukhrul this season. Outdoors but will finish them in a hoop house.
I'm interested in the Araku Mango, how did that go for you? I ordered some Araku and Orissa Recently.
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Super interested in how the shillong smoked? if anyone has tried it? it is described to have a a high similiar to thai/laos varieties, from its terpene profile it shares the lemongrass aroma with that seems to associate more with cambodian and vietnam region as far as landraces. I imagine it has a nice thai effect with enough of the indian sativa background to make it somewhat trippy but not too intense.My green pheno Shilong is finally arriving at maturity although some branches more than others. These photos show what mature flowers look like with fully developed bracts and no new white stigmas emerging.
I'm lucky to get to this point. There's been two weeks of dry sunny days although the nights are cold and long.
The tropical types like this can be pulled off here but I don't think I quite get the full potential of the genetics due to the sun being much less strong this time of year and short 10 hour days. Cold nights are another thing they aren't used to. With some luck, I can probably get these to something like 80 - 90% of the potential they can reach where they come from.
"Potent Sativa-type domesticate with an intense high like classic Thai and Lao landraces." https://mtseedbank.in/product/shillong-landrace-seeds/
"Mint, perfume, spice, lemon grass and camphor."
Shillong | Landrace Mafia
www.landracemafia.org
What I have found is that the India landraces as presented to me by the seed finders vary widely in pheno expression. I really did like the version I got from Landrace Mafia a few years ago. It had many good traits including strong disease resistance. These domesticates will vary so you must grow a number and evaluate the phenos yourself. It's also very hard to say how consistent different sources will be with each other. Collectors visiting various villages are likely to get a variety of examples.
I am growing some Orissa's at the moment, i am curious if you had any males in your batch? 6 have sexed so far and it looks like 1 hermie and 5 females, hopeing for a male. i have more that where started later and some that havent sexed yet. culled hermie this morning when i saw it early. looking forward to reproducing the orissa but if not itll be nice to have some sin-semilla to smoke.
India was under the British empire a great supplier of hash and buds, but most was grown what is now Bangladesh.
Do you also have genetics from Rajasthan?
1894 Bengal
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Do you also have genetics from Rajasthan?
1894 Bengal
Grown in Arlington Michigan early 20th century
Funny you mention Ragjasthan it is in Orissa's Ancestory....
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goingrey
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Chellakutti from Khalifa Genetics? I got some of those as freebies recently.
sativanese
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That Shilong looks like a cool breeder tool especially in Aus.
I wonder why I'm the only poster here of India landrace plants they are growing.
Anyway this came to me as "Jogbani Bihar". Jogbani is town on the Nepal/India border in Bihar state adjacent to the low altitude tropical Terai region of Nepal. This is a small stature type that when in veg is extremely leafy. Very narrow leaf and bushy. It almost doesn't look like cannabis. Very slow growing and flowering. This is my first ever grow of it.
I have two plants. When two sprouted together in the pot and a third was separate, I figured one of the two would be male and I would remove then. Well it took a long time to confirm sex and it was the separate third one that went male. The two together were female. So I let them grow together.
The smaller one is flowering slightly faster and with chunkier buds. The smell is quite intriguing. A deep tropical fruit with a hint of skunk is my best attempt to describe it
I'm at 37°N along the California coast. Not much like the area this comes from. With some weather cooperation this could finish in good enough shape to be considered successful if not a glorious and fine example. It's been through some hard rain, some winds and some cold (not freezing, 5°C) nights.
I'd estimate several weeks to go, a month maybe to reach an entry level of maturity.
At this point, it doesn't resemble how it looked before flowering. As it has flowered, I've been pulling sun leaves off to open it up to more sun on the buds. And now there are older leaves yellowing and I am taking those too.
Anyway this came to me as "Jogbani Bihar". Jogbani is town on the Nepal/India border in Bihar state adjacent to the low altitude tropical Terai region of Nepal. This is a small stature type that when in veg is extremely leafy. Very narrow leaf and bushy. It almost doesn't look like cannabis. Very slow growing and flowering. This is my first ever grow of it.
I have two plants. When two sprouted together in the pot and a third was separate, I figured one of the two would be male and I would remove then. Well it took a long time to confirm sex and it was the separate third one that went male. The two together were female. So I let them grow together.
The smaller one is flowering slightly faster and with chunkier buds. The smell is quite intriguing. A deep tropical fruit with a hint of skunk is my best attempt to describe it
I'm at 37°N along the California coast. Not much like the area this comes from. With some weather cooperation this could finish in good enough shape to be considered successful if not a glorious and fine example. It's been through some hard rain, some winds and some cold (not freezing, 5°C) nights.
I'd estimate several weeks to go, a month maybe to reach an entry level of maturity.
At this point, it doesn't resemble how it looked before flowering. As it has flowered, I've been pulling sun leaves off to open it up to more sun on the buds. And now there are older leaves yellowing and I am taking those too.
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This is "Pipalpader Odisha". Meaning seeds were collected from the area of Pipalpader village in Odisha state India. I tried just a few seeds to at least get an idea of it. I can't remember if I had two or three plants at the start. I think it was just two, and unfortunately, one that seemed female hermed. That left me this one. That one was growing with more branches and looking like a more classic tropical India narrowleaf. This one has a simpler pine tree structure with flowering concentrated mainly on the tips of the branches. The buds are dense and solid for a tropical but this has remained not just mold resistant but mold proof. It did catch a very mild case of a leaf spot fungus (my guess, septoria) on the sun leaves which mainly caused it to yellow and drop sun leaves a bit faster than it would have but the buds are fine.
A different sort of deep tropical fruit and citrus smell. This one is closing in on maturity. Still some white stigmas emerging and flower growth so I'm letting it go. It has survived some rain, winds and cold as well which I think may have weathered off some trichomes on the exposed surfaces but they are there inside the more protected parts. I did notice the emergence of a reminder of its sexual instability, do you see it?
You can also see how the cold nights and rain shriveled some of the new white stigmas on the very tip of the cola. We have some more light to moderate rain tomorrow and then some sunny warmer days later this week. Hope that get this one to a optimum point to harvest. This would be a reasonable sample of this type as far as smell taste and effect now but would benefit from a bit more time in reasonable weather conditions.
A different sort of deep tropical fruit and citrus smell. This one is closing in on maturity. Still some white stigmas emerging and flower growth so I'm letting it go. It has survived some rain, winds and cold as well which I think may have weathered off some trichomes on the exposed surfaces but they are there inside the more protected parts. I did notice the emergence of a reminder of its sexual instability, do you see it?
You can also see how the cold nights and rain shriveled some of the new white stigmas on the very tip of the cola. We have some more light to moderate rain tomorrow and then some sunny warmer days later this week. Hope that get this one to a optimum point to harvest. This would be a reasonable sample of this type as far as smell taste and effect now but would benefit from a bit more time in reasonable weather conditions.
