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Inbreeding for scientific purposes

Sam_Skunkman

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There are no homozygous Cannabis seed Varieties or clone Cultivars.
They can be made, but they will suffer from loss of vigor. Selfing a single female is maybe the easiest path, but by S3, S4 they are inbred and have many problems even with reproduction, much less producing good healthy plants. We made several almost homozygous lines, but did not finish as they were zero vigor and almost impossible to use for a pollen source, they were all but functionally sterile. They did make pollen but it was sticky and did not drop. (dehiscence) You could use a q-tip and pollinate but it gets worse every further S generation.
So you can do it if you are motivated, not sure it will help you understand Cannabis evolution, but you can try and do it.
Who will do the DNA analysis and then the "assembly" for you?
You can use dihaploid tech, but I have not heard of anyone doing this with Cannabis.
-SamS


Hi all,

I am a biologist interested in genome evolution in the Cannabaceae family (including hop but also tropical trees such as Celtis, Trema, Chaetachme). For my research I am looking into the possibilities of determining a genome sequence of Cannabis. First a bit of introduction:
:scripture:
Determining (assembling) a genome sequence is a hugely complicated puzzle. You can compare it with making a jigsaw puzzle with millions of pieces without knowing what is depicted. People have attempted to assemble Cannabis genomes but the results so far have not been great. I think this is because of the heterozygosity of Cannabis plants. Imagine that our metaphoric jigsaw puzzle contains each piece in two similar but slightly different forms - that would complicate solving the puzzle tremendously! :noway:

This is why I would like to have a completely homozygous Cannabis for research purposes. Normally, you can get homozygous plants through inbreeding. I am not a Cannabis breeder and have never grown a Cannabis plant myself. So I know virtually nothing about the practicalities. But what I have learned from various webpages and posts on this forum is that Cannabis plants suffer when they are inbred. They have reduced vigour: their performance deteriorates due to inbreeding depression. To avoid this problem, I understand breeders make backcrosses to maintain heterozygosity and 'hybrid vigour'. On the other hand, I see references to IBLs which are supposedly inbred. So perhaps it is possible to get to a homozygous line.

I am very interested in the advice and experiences of the expert breeders on this forum:

  • Are there any truly homozygous Cannabis strains/lines (not just homozygous for particular traits of interest but for all genes in the genome)?

  • How far can one go with inbreeding in terms of reduced vigour? (I would not mind having a poorly growing plant that requires a lot of care. But they should remain alive :)

Thanks in advance! :thank you:
 
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FvG

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There are no homozygous Cannabis seed Varieties or clone Cultivars.
Thanks for the clarification, Sam! Many claims were confusing to me so I really appreciate hearing what is out there and what is not.

They can be made, but they will suffer from loss of vigor. Selfing a single female is maybe the easiest path, but by S3, S4 they are inbred and have many problems even with reproduction, much less producing good healthy plants. We made several almost homozygous lines, but did not finish as they were zero vigor and almost impossible to use for a pollen source, they were all but functionally sterile. They did make pollen but it was sticky and did not drop. (dehiscence) You could use a q-tip and pollinate but it gets worse every further S generation.
The sterility issues that you describe are what I feared. Perhaps it is worth a try but to be honest if you and others already tried and failed I don't expect to do any better... Plus given the high levels of heterozygosity we would probably need many generations before reaching homozygosity...

Who will do the DNA analysis and then the "assembly" for you?
I have no experience in breeding and outdated experience with smoking . But I can do the DNA analysis and assembly!
You can use dihaploid tech, but I have not heard of anyone doing this with Cannabis.
-SamS
you can create a 100% homozygous cannabis plant, it's called dihaploid technology

That is a good suggestion, thanks Sam & Rakosnicek! Dihaploid technology is probably the best option to get to a homozygous individual. A colleague of mine has experience with that so perhaps we can have a try.

Another option would be to use single cell sequencing; taking a single gamete cell and boosting its DNA to get enough for sequencing (through "whole genome amplicification"). This is also tricky business, however, because not all DNA can be boosted equally well.

All in all, Cannabis appears to be a really difficult plant for doing genomics.. :thinking:
 
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