If you were going to re-Breed Skunk or White Widow from original seedlines

[St. Phatty]

SKUNK ==>
"The Skunk marijuana is a poly hybrid between two Sativa landraces - Colombian Gold and Acapulco Gold - and an Afghani Indica purebred"

skunk cannabis origins - Google Search

So it would be ( Colombian Sativa x Afghani ) x Acapulco Sativa
OR
( Acapulco Sativa x Afghani ) x Colombian Sativa
to get the 75% Sativa, 25% Indica balance.

WHITE WIDOW ==>
"Brazilian Sativa × South Indian Indica"

white widow cannabis origins - Google Search

re-breeding Skunk seems rather straightforward. Once you cross the other Sativa with the Sativa-Indica mix, basically you give it some time.

But what would you do if you wanted to re-create the White Widow, to follow Shantibaba's footsteps ?

the Sativa - Indica cross reminds me of other powerful strains -
Haze x Northern Lights
Sativa Afghani Growth Experiment (SAGE from TH Seeds)
Blue Dream, Haze x Blueberry

Those are all great crosses. I guess you'd have to see them side by side.

I remember White Widow as being extra frosty when I got it from Brothers Grimm.

Could you get that to the White Widow, without using the Brazilian Sativa, South Indian Indica that Shantibaba used ?

 

[Dime]

To recreate the original white widow seed batch you will need the original parents,there is no other way

 

[Redrum92]

Unfortunately you sort of have to take a big leap of faith believing what any parents are. People forget, people lie. That would be the first big obstacle of many.

 

[Creeperpark]

The crossing of two completely different parents is key when finding a cross like the above. In my opinion, the Sativa landrace's original reason for breeding with an Afghani Indica purebred was to shorten the flowering time of the long-season Sativas'. To everyone's surprise, the weed was a killer potent strain. After the first White Widow cross everyone started crossing Sativa X Indica. Today there are over 28,366 crosses or strains registered @ seedfinder.

 

[El Timbo]

Also it's not just about crossing different landraces but the individual plants used in the crosses .

 

[romanoweed]

my guess is that one, or bouth Parents were slightly hempy.
i mean with it, that ive seen Chinese that made very resinous Outcrosses. Namely Mikado by Dominon Seed Company (or who was the original breeder name ?)
Chinese these days is very often Hemp, or semiwil i recall, and Drugstrains are rare.

So, i see the resin of this Chinese Strain is like a bit Gray in color, not as transparent actually as Drugstrains.
However you describe it, it looks different, same ive seen in HEmp that grows here.

SO, i could speculate that the Indian probably had a bit HEmpy thendencies, since there is also semiwild Weed in mid-India.. thats probably the reason why some White Widows were very "white".

 

[romanoweed]

mikado:

 

[romanoweed]

there is some confusion in the lineage and the pic might be an outcross of the chinese.. however there is one vendor that i think has the chinese pure.. eventually..

 

[St. Phatty]

If White Widow is Sativa x Indica, it matches part of the lineage of skunk.

If you crossed White Widow with another good Sativa, its lineage would be sort of the same as skunk, after time for stabilizing the genetics.

If I was part of a university Botany department, I would say, "Hey let's re-breed Skunk using one of the modern Sativa-Indica crosses like White-Widow or Blue Dream".

Then they might say, "well Why ?"

And I would say, "for the heck of it".

I don't know if any of the seed companies have stabilized a Sativa-Indica-Sativa cross into a "new Skunk".

e.g. White Widow x Haze, cross bred to itself & stabilized, if it would stabilize.

Though Skunk is or was known for having a shorter flowering than crosses that are 1/4 Haze.

 

[romanoweed]

futher,when people breed just for one Trait, per example in Chillies (strongest Chillie), they often combine multiple lines from different regions that carry the wanted trait..

So this matches a bit what i say.. So, if Hempy Strains carry a certain ASPECT of Resin, then it would probably be one of multiple Resinous Strains to combine..

And yes, Middleamerican like Mexicans, are very resinous Plants.. Thai is also a bit high resin...
Hempy Lines, x Mexican x Thai Lines, and Resin allright.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

In the form you see those they were extensively worked lines.... In the case of skunk#1 look up madjags grows of it (on this forum)in the early 80s and you will see it more in its primal form all phenotypes including the landrace sativa types of the parents still intact...(ancestral skunk is very similar to that)..with the widow most of the work was done on creating a male that would pass on specifc traits.....to create each in their current form or early commercial released versions lots of work was done....so you would have to know the formula used to create the finished versions and follow those...even then your selection at each stage would differ so you would end up with something quite different...

 

[TheDarkStorm]

If White Widow is Sativa x Indica, it matches part of the lineage of skunk.

If you crossed White Widow with another good Sativa, its lineage would be sort of the same as skunk, after time for stabilizing the genetics.

If I was part of a university Botany department, I would say, "Hey let's re-breed Skunk using one of the modern Sativa-Indica crosses like White-Widow or Blue Dream".

Then they might say, "well Why ?"

And I would say, "for the heck of it".

I don't know if any of the seed companies have stabilized a Sativa-Indica-Sativa cross into a "new Skunk".

e.g. White Widow x Haze, cross bred to itself & stabilized, if it would stabilize.

Though Skunk is or was known for having a shorter flowering than crosses that are 1/4 Haze.

By the way wen pressed on the widow parents it was said to be a hybrid x hybrid not sativa x indica....and one of the parents was already developed and selected for the extreme resin production.

 

[romanoweed]

one of the very resinous lines from mexico is Crptic Labs - Oaxaacan .
So, you can see the full reciepe:
Cryptic Labs Oaxacan x Dominon Seeds - Mikado (at insta) ..
optional x Chocolate Thai - Snohighseeds--

just my oppinion, peace

and subsequent Selection liek dakstorm says

 

[St. Phatty]

I ordered Skunk #1 from Sensi and grew it ... it was OK.
In 6" rockwool, or slab, under HID.

When I grew NL x Haze from Sensi, one of those was just as I imagined Skunk.

More than anything, a strain you could smoke all day long. One hit shit.

And, Skunky.

But my guess is, if I grew more Skunk #1 samples, I would get some really good ones that would be similar to the NL x Haze.

 

[led05]

The crossing of two completely different parents is key when finding a cross like the above. In my opinion, the Sativa landrace's original reason for breeding with an Afghani Indica purebred was to shorten the flowering time of the long-season Sativas'. To everyone's surprise, the weed was a killer potent strain. After the first White Widow cross everyone started crossing Sativa X Indica. Today there are over 28,366 crosses or strains registered @ seedfinder.

True unrelated F1; whodha thunk it

 

[Old Piney]

The Sativa x Indica trick has been around along time. The f1s are great , literally the best of both. it takes a lot of work to take it further and create a a true breeding line like SK#1. I'm a big fan of f1 hybrids ouick easy and good. I does require that you maintain the two pure IBLs but that's a good thing

 

[JumpinJimmy]

SKUNK ==>
"The Skunk marijuana is a poly hybrid between two Sativa landraces - Colombian Gold and Acapulco Gold - and an Afghani Indica purebred"

skunk cannabis origins - Google Search

So it would be ( Colombian Sativa x Afghani ) x Acapulco Sativa
OR
( Acapulco Sativa x Afghani ) x Colombian Sativa
to get the 75% Sativa, 25% Indica balance.

WHITE WIDOW ==>
"Brazilian Sativa × South Indian Indica"

white widow cannabis origins - Google Search

re-breeding Skunk seems rather straightforward. Once you cross the other Sativa with the Sativa-Indica mix, basically you give it some time.

But what would you do if you wanted to re-create the White Widow, to follow Shantibaba's footsteps ?

the Sativa - Indica cross reminds me of other powerful strains -
Haze x Northern Lights
Sativa Afghani Growth Experiment (SAGE from TH Seeds)
Blue Dream, Haze x Blueberry

Those are all great crosses. I guess you'd have to see them side by side.

I remember White Widow as being extra frosty when I got it from Brothers Grimm.

Could you get that to the White Widow, without using the Brazilian Sativa, South Indian Indica that Shantibaba used ?

You’ll probably end up with something totally different. Who knows what phenotypes were used. Phenos from same strain can be very different.. more different than separate strains.

 

[Raco]

Sativa Afghani Growth Experiment (SAGE from TH Seeds)

lol^
Sativa Afghani Genetic Equilibrium

 

[Dime]

If White Widow is Sativa x Indica, it matches part of the lineage of skunk.

If you crossed White Widow with another good Sativa, its lineage would be sort of the same as skunk, after time for stabilizing the genetics.

If I was part of a university Botany department, I would say, "Hey let's re-breed Skunk using one of the modern Sativa-Indica crosses like White-Widow or Blue Dream".

Then they might say, "well Why ?"

And I would say, "for the heck of it".

I don't know if any of the seed companies have stabilized a Sativa-Indica-Sativa cross into a "new Skunk".

e.g. White Widow x Haze, cross bred to itself & stabilized, if it would stabilize.

Though Skunk is or was known for having a shorter flowering than crosses that are 1/4 Haze.

I have ww that smells more like skunk than what some are passing skunk off as.

 

[exoticrobotic]

I grew Sensi seeds superskunk in 2008 on slabs and it stunk to high heaven of malty heineken with a really nice balanced high.

Isn't skunk (colombian x A.G) x Afghan, the Afghan being introduced later on?

I mean it's basically a Haze x Afghan of sorts isn't it?