If you had to choose 1 variety to backup all of your genetics with what do you pick?

[@hempy]

Thanks for chiming on Hempy. My first knee jerky reaction was to say Haze, Thai, or Blueberry. After reading quiescents remarks, a Thai haze or blueberry x original haze sounds like they would work well too.

The context of the question came up in conversation as if you wanted to preserve your plant stable because they can not travel with you, and you only have the resources for one round of pollination, which do you choose. Haze and Thai are hard to disagree with. Some of Nevils recent work with nevs haze x mullum sounds like a great choice too now that I think about it.

What do you think about the intersex prevalence in most Thais? Part of me thinks it's something to worry about, another part doesn't and thinks it's not Thai if there aren't some intersex flowers. Much love

Hi SB i keep reading intersex being prevalent in most Thais lines and yet i never saw it in the plants we grew. I have grown many Thais out doors and indoors.

What i found with some sativas few in fact is at sexing you may find males / females and hermaphrodites 3 sexes in short.Once you cull the hermaphrodites the males will stay male and the females will stay female until harvest with not a single male flower.

The only time i ever saw females throw male flowers was with some dutch genetics and they can show up at the start of flower/ mid flower/ or even later flower.

 

[BC*Dankster*]

I would want what Bodhi has . 88g13/hp

 

[bigherb]

I would want what Bodhi has . 88g13/hp

No doubt his clone

It’s about selection not all Phenos from those Ghash seeds were special

1luvbigherb

 

[Dropped Cat]

No doubt his clone

It’s about selection not all Phenos from those Ghash seeds were special

1luvbigherb

Selection, yup.

I've had decent genetics go south with unsound choices for the downstream crosses,
lucky to have F1 parents to start again.

If I had only one variety to back up crosses I hope I had a vintage cultivar with no skunk.

 

[quiescent]

Thank you for your contributions. I had to read that last line a few times before it sunk in.

Recumbent inbred lines yeah? Those sound a lot like worked landraces in areas of traditional cannabis cultivation. Either way, I think I see your point and it makes a lot of sense. Would it be accurate to call it phenotype plasticity? Or something like that? Much love

Yes. In this scenario you'd be starting your own inbred line, using other's work one way or another as a starting point. The problem with crossing everything to one thing is obvious; you're embarking on a life long journey to breed what's likely very easily replaced.

There's gonna be people saying you should S1 to preserve genetics. They aren't wrong. f-e alluded to this without saying as much. There is a better chance you don't find what you're looking for/you paint yourself in a corner on your selections and you're not aware for a couple of generations with no recourse. I've seen/experienced this through others' work more than not.

This is more for "modern" (based on plants found in the 80s, from seed stock from the 60s and 70s) American genetics. IMO because of availability of both cultivars that have stood the test of time and seed stock that has been advanced using said cultivars as a measuring stick this is the preservationists' best path forward.

I'll provide an example of something that I'm currently working on. This isn't the most ideal by any means but there is intent and frankly is more well thought out than 98% of what I see available for purchase today.

I have urkle, grape ape, grape stomper and Ken's gdp in my stable. I also have a bevy of grape based crosses in seed form, mostly fems, to potentially improve vigor/potency and add more head to the experience.

I'm looking for males out of a few packs each of either Cannarado grape sundae (sundae driver x grape pie bx), riesling (flo white x grape pie bx), wedding pie or Solfire's grape spodie (purple punch x black banana cookies). I'm hoping to not have to grow out 200+ plants to find something suitable but the options are there and I possess more beyond what I posted.

If you're familiar with what I've posted you see that I have several proven mothers that are the foundations for the potential paternal lines. The modern crosses are going to have profiles from these mothers that have been preserved/advanced; ensuring that what would be the recessive traits in a true F1 are easily pulled out from the stock.

I'm not crossing every plant in my library to these lines; there won't be an OG/sour/chem/cookies/hashplant/haze/citrus/etc getting touched by this pollen. I have the same plan with all kinds of mothers and possible paternal seeds to preserve/advance general familial lines based on terps and effects.

IMO about 5 years ago was the peak of genetics. There was a distinct diversity of taste, effect and plant morphology. This isn't to say that I don't enjoy some of the more layered flavors and effects of the more recent finds from the community, I do. The issue is everything starts to feel similar if you're not able to get out of the hole that everything crossed to cookies has painted us into. In the mid 2000s the more forward thinking heads lambasted the possibility that our future would be what it has become, today.

Phenotype plasticity is the expression of the genotype being put in different environments and the morphological changes therein, not limited to just the chemotype.

I'm not saying this is the only/best way but based on my experiences and what I've been able to glean from others that have been there and done that, it is worth exploring further.

I'd like to say again that I'm opposed to what dankwolf/hempy have been suggesting as its a treacherous journey not worth embarking on. I know it's the answer you're looking for in this hypothetical situation but as I said before it's a fool's errand. Don't be a fool.

Raising a child with both parents operating in lockstep has a better outcome than a single mom abandoned by a mentally ill sperm donor, every time.

 

[Cannabi5]

I choose something that's not too smelly and not too sedating. Good structure and grows easily. Best I've found so far is a Bodhi's dla4 leaning to the Kashmir side. Crossed to a female it adds a little wood and perfume smells, and a little up in the head, but primarily leaves smells and type of high the same. Back crossed back to the clone and the offspring have been pretty close to the clone.