If you had to choose 1 variety to backup all of your genetics with what do you pick?

[sbeanonnamellow]

This came up in conversation and I haven't been able to stop thinking about it. Interested in hearing what the members of the community here think. Much love

 

[Dankwolf]

I would assume if in this circumstance time would be limited due to some unforeseen reason . I recently was in a position were I had to find a way to preserve what I had male and female wise due to a divorce. I thought it over and over and conclude a open pollination with all males and all females was my only choice to preserve my library.
part of the reason I went this route was due to that fact I had already made many crosses backing up my direction .
if I had time to chose a male to back library I would pick a Strain that would not dominate in cross and not a s1 of any kind . So no heavily breed genetics . Also strain would have to be easily identified in offspring .
so I would say some land race or close to land race so it would not dominate and would be easily culled from f1 stock so I could retain original genetic in the purest way possible

so in short a land race that is unlike my library .

 

[l33t]

I would choose something that is not dominant in the cross. Only with testing can you know this.

 

[Dankwolf]

I would choose something that is not dominant in the cross. Only with testing can you know this.

Not true only with knowledge can know this . Testing is for those that have not knowledge. Just my two cents . But what’s does my 21 years of work mean

 

[quiescent]

Not true only with knowledge can know this . Testing is for those that have not knowledge. Just my two cents . But what’s does my 21 years of work mean

Not much as you say that landraces won't dominate the crosses. Landraces are notoriously hard to breed away from for a reason, it's generally true.

I've found that the less genetic variability in a parental line, especially as the pollen donor, leads to difficulty in finding a cultivar that has a particular stack of traits from the recipient without a deleterious/undesirable quality from the donor showing itself.

I think trying to snapshot a diverse library with one parental line is a fool's errand. Preserve what you can with recombinant lines, easier to reacquire than recreate.

 

[Dankwolf]

Disagree fully . Just my experience . I guess test know more the actual results . I am not talking dna I am talking first hand outcomes . Many will find dna is just that dna . It has little Bering on out come . If it did all these breeders that have spent millions would have market on lock down . no matter the genetic out come when testing less then 20 factors it will
leave you no where . You would have to fully map dna to fully understand and no one can do this. So you think 20 out of a million and you know ?

 

[Dankwolf]

So what do you recommend then ?

 

[f-e]

I'm not sure I understand the question.

 

[Dankwolf]

Ya I guessed . Lol

 

[@hempy]

If you had to choose 1 variety to backup all of your genetics with what do you pick?

If you have other genetics then why would you need to back them up with a different line. You would back them up by making F2s.

I would make F2s and try stabilizing what i loved with in each strain.You can then also pick and select plants from with in each hybrid (as most things sold are hybrids) that are very different to ether of the parents.

If i had to pick just 1 strain to out cross the lines i had with personally i would use a Haze or a Thai.

 

[JetLife175]

Something that isn't domInant and let's the other plants traits shine through. The white being one of them. Perfect plant for your project. Let's the other dominate the cross. And Assad amazing resin coverage/production.

 

[ArtOfSelection]

Blueberry .for indica.................. pure/ mostly pure 'haze' or 'destroyer' for sativa .........i hold these 3 lines in the highest regard .......if i had to outcross everything,... id use these 3 genetic lines

 

[f-e]

Ya I guessed . Lol

It's rough as fuck. How can you save something by crossing it.

Hacks, the lot of you lol

 

[sbeanonnamellow]

I would assume if in this circumstance time would be limited due to some unforeseen reason . I recently was in a position were I had to find a way to preserve what I had male and female wise due to a divorce. I thought it over and over and conclude a open pollination with all males and all females was my only choice to preserve my library.
part of the reason I went this route was due to that fact I had already made many crosses backing up my direction .
if I had time to chose a male to back library I would pick a Strain that would not dominate in cross and not a s1 of any kind . So no heavily breed genetics . Also strain would have to be easily identified in offspring .
so I would say some land race or close to land race so it would not dominate and would be easily culled from f1 stock so I could retain original genetic in the purest way possible

so in short a land race that is unlike my library .

This was pretty much the context of question when it came up in conversation. For some unforseen reason, you have a short window to preserve your stable of plants. Enough for one round of pollination and saving seed.

I like the idea of mixed pollen donors but practically I wonder the effectiveness of random distribution. Pretty much I would worry that the majority of seeds would come from the earlier flowering males, although there are certainly technique and methods to minimize unwanted pollination of the entire crop.

You bring up an excellent point about where you were with working your genetics and how a mixed pollination would be the best option for you.

We all know, it's more difficult to write a name tag on a seed bearing calyx than it is a female plant stalk.

I was thinking if it was possible, to gather pollen from the males as a group separate and away from the females. This way, as they reach maturity at varying intervals, pollen can be mixed together and applied by hand in a more precise manner. For example, 3 pollination windows. First using a mixture of the earlier maturing males, the second using a mixture of the next maturing males, and the third with a mixture of the latest maturing males.

The thing I struggle with this is that there always seems to be way more seeds than expected and I would be worried that unintentionally I would pollinate all the stigmas with earlier maturing males without leaving any room left for the later maturing male pollen.

Thanks for your remarks, the perspective is helpful. Much love.

 

[sbeanonnamellow]

Not much as you say that landraces won't dominate the crosses. Landraces are notoriously hard to breed away from for a reason, it's generally true.

I've found that the less genetic variability in a parental line, especially as the pollen donor, leads to difficulty in finding a cultivar that has a particular stack of traits from the recipient without a deleterious/undesirable quality from the donor showing itself.

I think trying to snapshot a diverse library with one parental line is a fool's errand. Preserve what you can with recombinant lines, easier to reacquire than recreate.

Thank you for your contributions. I had to read that last line a few times before it sunk in.

Recumbent inbred lines yeah? Those sound a lot like worked landraces in areas of traditional cannabis cultivation. Either way, I think I see your point and it makes a lot of sense. Would it be accurate to call it phenotype plasticity? Or something like that? Much love

 

[sbeanonnamellow]

If you have other genetics then why would you need to back them up with a different line. You would back them up by making F2s.

I would make F2s and try stabilizing what i loved with in each strain.You can then also pick and select plants from with in each hybrid (as most things sold are hybrids) that are very different to ether of the parents.

If i had to pick just 1 strain to out cross the lines i had with personally i would use a Haze or a Thai.

Thanks for chiming on Hempy. My first knee jerky reaction was to say Haze, Thai, or Blueberry. After reading quiescents remarks, a Thai haze or blueberry x original haze sounds like they would work well too.

The context of the question came up in conversation as if you wanted to preserve your plant stable because they can not travel with you, and you only have the resources for one round of pollination, which do you choose. Haze and Thai are hard to disagree with. Some of Nevils recent work with nevs haze x mullum sounds like a great choice too now that I think about it.

What do you think about the intersex prevalence in most Thais? Part of me thinks it's something to worry about, another part doesn't and thinks it's not Thai if there aren't some intersex flowers. Much love

 

[sbeanonnamellow]

Blueberry .for indica.................. pure/ mostly pure 'haze' or 'destroyer' for sativa .........i hold these 3 lines in the highest regard .......if i had to outcross everything,... id use these 3 genetic lines

As noted above, this was pretty much my initial thought also. Haze, blueberry, or some sort of tropical sativa. Appreciate these suggestions. They are well received. Much love

 

[fonzee]

If you have other genetics then why would you need to back them up with a different line. You would back them up by making F2s.

I would make F2s and try stabilizing what i loved with in each strain.You can then also pick and select plants from with in each hybrid (as most things sold are hybrids) that are very different to ether of the parents.

If i had to pick just 1 strain to out cross the lines i had with personally i would use a Haze or a Thai.

I would go with inbreeding for sure. The idea of stabilizing a strain is more appealing to me than cleaning genetics out of a strain.

 

[Dankwolf]

My males were completely isolated from girls . Just collected and dispersed pollen evenly as possible . I had strians back up in a way . Just did not want to lose a chance/ opertunity for something great . My hole project males and females were all meant to be used at some point . Just had to make sure I had a shot at all possibility’s . I know what my males offered and I labeled seed from each female so I can for certain pick out most combinations.

 

[Dankwolf]

The cure would be my top Nevil choice . And yes all my girls got hit with a super stellar male