ICmag Vegetarians - convert me!

[penguins]

I'm sorry even cheese sets off the stomach for you (
I don't know what I would do without cheese, I think it's really the one thing that could ever keep me from going totally vegan. Maybe sushi, but I've actually had some really good vegetarian sushi before (mmmm shitaake)

As for the yogurt, I really like White Mountain; It's raw and live cultured. I'll eat bowls of the stuff just plain; I put it on my cereal too.


As for the seeds, we used to make our own bread and just dump whole flaxseeds in (totally awesome in pizza crust), or sprinkle them on top like sesame seeds. I'm not sure about raw hempseeds, never really cooked with them... Some places you can find flaxseed and hempseed oil or flour enriched with flax (more rarely hemp)

And yup, my dad is the same way. I think there's a kind of subconcious cultural gender bias that associates "manliness" with eating meat. I think it's something we're all gonna have to overcome as a society.

 

[BonsaiGrower]

Penguin really nailed it there!!! I forgot to mention we ate by color too...very good point that was crucial to the diet. I still eat by color even though meat is back in my diet. It's the easiest way to get good nutrients and variety. Sometimes you can't get all 5 colors but next time you go to the grocerey store try buying by color. It makes for an interesting trip to the grocerey store. make a list of some of the important things you must have but for everything else...pay no attention to what it is...just go buy colors ... it's not scientific but you'd be suprised how good your meals will taste and you'll find you get vitamins and nutrients you may not have added to your diet otherwise.

Great post Penguin

BG

 

[Guest]

There's a are some good meat alternatives to meat on the market today, some people can't tell some products apart. Quorn is a meat alternative derived from mushrooms and also wheat protein both of which are highly nutritious, they have a better texture than tofu and are tasty with lots of protein. U don't have to worry about cooking the blood out or killing the tapeworm cysts found in fish sometimes. with meat alternatives u can get mince for lasagne, chicken style chunks and the list goes on. I think the sausages are spot on but they have a way to go get the bacon right. I often wonder if my brains getting enough omegas so i might one day try some fish but in the meantime ill seek out seeds, nuts etc. For iron just eat dark green veg such as spinach or brocolli.

 

[Guest]

Red meats are very difficult for the stomach to fully digest. heavy red meat eaters tend to have a crust of half digested meat form on their intestinal wall.

 

[BonsaiGrower]

Biftaman ... ever since I was a vegepreferian I stopped buying ground beef. I find that the soy based and fake ground beef is actually better tasting and easier to cook with. Less messy 1/4 the cooking time and 3 times the nutritional value...so I fully agree with that. And for the person talking about quality of meats ...agreed ...I only buy meat from the butcher now and have done for about 5 years now. It's a little more expensive but if we cut down on the total amount of meat we intake and improve the quality of the meat itself then it's a step forward towards better health.

Here's my favorite fake meat recipe I make once a week.

1 lb ground soy meat (italian flavoured makes it real easy)
6 slices bread
2 cups Cheddar
2 eggs

Stuff bread into muffin tray to make "bread cups" carefully as this is the hardest thing of the whole recipe.

Next mix everything else in a bowl

Scoop mixture into "Bread Cups" evenly ... aprox large ice-cream size scoop each

and voila ...cook at 350F for about 20 minutes or untill bread is lightly crusty and cheeze melted ...

Enjoy...it's easy easy easy and yummy yummy yummy

BG

 

[Guest]

for all interested in living a vegetarian lifestyle.......
soy has been shown to raise testosterone levels in men,,,,,,,,,,
so ragers,,,,watch your soy intake,,,,,, you dont want a nature burger to make you get all Gangsta'.... bd

 

[H. Wurst]

I remember reading an article about soy messing with your estrogen levels and that it will make men grow boobs. And it mentioned bodybuilders who were afraid of eating soy because it will LOWER their testosterone level.

People in asia have been using soy as their primary source of protein for hundreds of years, and they do not seem to have hormonal problems. So i will stick with the soy.

 

[NOKUY]

tofu is pretty nasty stuff

TOFU is the "cottage cheese" of the soy bean...I dont know how some of you eat that stuff (regular cottage cheese is just as bad)

 

[H. Wurst]

Do mean nasty = unhealthy? Then please explain why?

If you mean nasty = not tasty, i have to admit that the "raw" (tofu is actually never uncooked) tofu tastes not good. But fry it or heat it in a pan until it is brownish-black and it tastes quite OK. Or make a marinade and it will take on the desired taste very easily.

 

[penguins]

nokuy: tofu, nasty ?!?!?! Tofu is tha bomb!!

you've probably just never had it cooked well. It's true that plain tofu is kind of like tasteless custardy jello; but once you know how to cook with it it's really versatile.

I've had BBQ tofu before (they say they froze it first... I still can't replicate it) that was absolutely amazing. Not like "real" meat BBQ at all, but really darn good. kind of a meatloafy texture with a yummy tomatoey bbq sauce.

The same hippie restaurant serves their "guiltless chocolate cheesecake" that's tofu based. It's really light and fluffy and still creamy and chocolatey, mmmmmmm.

And my all time favorite is probably agadashi tofu. It's a traditional japanese style with (very) lightly breaded and deep fried tofu, with a barely crispy, texturey outside and a soft center, served with a savory sauce and onions. awesome.

and if you like the spicy, you can usually find a vegetarian (traditionally contains pork) version of ma-po tofu 麻婆豆腐 at chinese restaurants. reallly yummy szechuan style spicy

 

[trichomefarmer]

There's a are some good meat alternatives to meat on the market today, some people can't tell some products apart. Quorn is a meat alternative derived from mushrooms and also wheat protein both of which are highly nutritious, they have a better texture than tofu and are tasty with lots of protein. U don't have to worry about cooking the blood out or killing the tapeworm cysts found in fish sometimes. with meat alternatives u can get mince for lasagne, chicken style chunks and the list goes on. I think the sausages are spot on but they have a way to go get the bacon right. I often wonder if my brains getting enough omegas so i might one day try some fish but in the meantime ill seek out seeds, nuts etc. For iron just eat dark green veg such as spinach or brocolli.

hmmm i love quorn, luckily the grocery stores here have a nice selection of it.

 

[Guest]

you guy hear about that shit with Smithfield Foods?, there one of Americas largest pork producer, heres a quote from a Rolling Stone investigative piece that says allot on the subject (im high and lazy).

Smithfield's holding ponds -- the company calls them lagoons -- cover as much as 120,000 square feet. The area around a single slaughterhouse can contain hundreds of lagoons, some of which run thirty feet deep. The liquid in them is not brown. The interactions between the bacteria and blood and afterbirths and stillborn piglets and urine and excrement and chemicals and drugs turn the lagoons pink.

Even light rains can cause lagoons to overflow; major floods have transformed entire counties into pig-shit bayous. To alleviate swelling lagoons, workers sometimes pump the shit out of them and spray the waste on surrounding fields, which results in what the industry daintily refers to as "over application." This can turn hundreds of acres -- thousands of football fields -- into shallow mud puddles of pig shit. Tree branches drip with pig shit.

Some pig-farm lagoons have polyethylene liners, which can be punctured by rocks in the ground, allowing shit to seep beneath the liners and spread and ferment. Gases from the fermentation can inflate the liner like a hot-air balloon and rise in an expanding, accelerating bubble, forcing thousands of tons of feces out of the lagoon in all directions.

The lagoons themselves are so viscous and venomous that if someone falls in it is foolish to try to save him. A few years ago, a truck driver in Oklahoma was transferring pig shit to a lagoon when he and his truck went over the side. It took almost three weeks to recover his body. In 1992, when a worker making repairs to a lagoon in Minnesota began to choke to death on the fumes, another worker dived in after him, and they died the same death. In another instance, a worker who was repairing a lagoon in Michigan was overcome by the fumes and fell in. His fifteen-year-old nephew dived in to save him but was overcome, the worker's cousin went in to save the teenager but was overcome, the worker's older brother dived in to save them but was overcome, and then the worker's father dived in. They all died in pig shit.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/12840743/porks_dirty_secret_the_nations_top_hog_producer_is_also_one_of_americas_worst_polluters/1


A google map view of the lagoons and shit sprayed fields surrounding them

http://www.google.com/maps?q=Smithfield,+NC&ie=UTF8&om=1&z=16&ll=35.50119,-77.92227&spn=0.009957,0.019226&t=h&iwloc=addr

 

[Guest]

 

[Speeding Mullet]

ur crazy...meat is the bomb.....

WORD.....One word: PIE!

SM

P.S. That rather looks like a flange

 

[Guest]

you guy hear about that shit with Smithfield Foods?, there one of Americas largest pork producer, heres a quote from a Rolling Stone investigative piece that says allot on the subject (im high and lazy).



http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/12840743/porks_dirty_secret_the_nations_top_hog_producer_is_also_one_of_americas_worst_polluters/1


A google map view of the lagoons and shit sprayed fields surrounding them

http://www.google.com/maps?q=Smithfield,+NC&ie=UTF8&om=1&z=16&ll=35.50119,-77.92227&spn=0.009957,0.019226&t=h&iwloc=addr

Apart from that have you seen how they get killed? Some of the sick fucks shock them then chainsaw their heads off and that probably considered a nice way to die as a pig. Pig's tend to scream like humans do and have a similar pain threshold.

 

[Guest]

yeah that freaky bitch does enough to put anyone off ham!

 

[Nikijad4210]

- Tofu is your friend, it has iron and protien and good phytochemicals. It's a tad hard to cook (well) with

This is one I have to disagree with, and agree with Nokuy on----Tofu is downright nasty, slimey crap. And as far as I can tell from a variety of restaurants (ethnic and otherwise) there's no true way to cook that junk and make it genuinely palatable. It's mush food for the guilable, definately.

Nothing like chewing a chunk of that stuff, and tasting the bland inner goodness

 

[Stone Skunk]

I didnt eat meat for almost a year. It was a good experience but i just had some turkey one day and started eatting meat again. It is a noble cause and im proud that i did it, wish i would have stuck with it but i felt healthier once i started eatting meat again because i wasnt good about taking vitamins and getting plenty of protein but maybe one day ill go back to it since my girlfriend and i were both did it for a period of time. good luck with it.

 

[penguins]

Nikijad4210:

1) Go do a nice sushi place.
2) Order agedashi tofu. (niether slimey nor bland)
3) re-evaluate.

 

[Guest]

I love tofu because it takes on taste of other foods and because it has a nice subtle taste although
I prefer the more dried kind because it's more chewy and more flavorful.

Even my mother, niece and nephew like it when I order general tso's tofu. Maybe you just need something heavy in taste for some reason or you just had a bad cooker. Peace.