ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[Tom Hill]

There are 3 players here. The little guys, the middle guys, and the big guys. The middle guys (me, Tr3E, and even Lee) I believe are in for a rude awakening if they believe this thing will open any doors for them in its current form. No, the big guys and little guys (and cannabis) would be the winners here and the rest of us will be shit out of luck for a while I'm afraid. We all want to see it treated like micro-breweries etc, but that will take quite a bit of future shuffling around me thinks. I truly believe this to be the case, that this is the beginning of the end for guys like me. Question my motives if you like but I have like zero desire/ambition to try to compete with big biz nor go swimming around in some giant pool of red-tape.

 

[bdakind]

He's the ONLY dispensory owner that I have seen wanting this to pass.

If everyone starts growing their own, and the price drops, how is that going to help him? If you'd have read the thread you'd see almost all 215 peeps are against this....

I read the thread. So Richard Lee has no dispensaries and no financial gain from this...huh that's odd, he must just be one of those great guys that spends a million dollars out of the goodness of his heart.

And the bill says that basically licensed dispensaries can continue to operate and there is nothing in the law that will allow more to pop up next door to the existing ones...huh just a coincidence I guess.

So how exactly will this hurt dispensaries??

How about all of those mom and pop tobacco farmers that are doing so well..,wait there are none left.

Hey, Do a couple of you want to get together and move to China for a few years and clean shop. It seems everyone here is so, RAH RAH RAH to Walmart this thing. All we would have to pay is some import tax and forget about all the licensing fees, workers comp, and other taxes.

We just need to buy all of the Genetics and go to town. A few billion square feet of greenhouse, a few billion of warehouse, tons of glass jars and some refrigerated shipping containers...That would be so great for everyone, especially californians...We could easily put those Oakland warehouses and most dispensaries out of biz, awesome. We can make sure that the only people who get a dollar off of this are us, the gov, and the Chinese. Who cares as long as we are within the "new awesome law".

Us poor californians just can't get find a good bag for a reasonable price..

Have you seen the news lately they are locking up all those patients by the bus load and those evil feds are just harassing locking us all up, its a surprise there are any patients left in cali..


All of the pro yes' seem to agree with this approach but for myself, there are a lot of questions still left unanswered.

And for those of you who can't pick up on sarcasm, above is what it sounds like. I would not be surprised if most of the BIG YES' here THINK they will see financial benefit from this passing but in the end I really do believe most who pay their bills with the current system will be completely left in the dust.

 

[MrBomDiggitty]

i think ICMAG Administration should unendorse the TRCTCA2010

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

There are 3 players here. The little guys, the middle guys, and the big guys. The middle guys (me, Tr3E, and even Lee) I believe are in for a rude awakening if they believe this thing will open any doors for them in its current form. No, the big guys and little guys (and cannabis) would be the winners here and the rest of us will be shit out of luck for a while I'm afraid. We all want to see it treated like micro-breweries etc, but that will take quite a bit of future shuffling around me thinks. I truly believe this to be the case, that this is the beginning of the end for guys like me. Question my motives if you like but I have like zero desire/ambition to try to compete with big biz nor go swimming around in some giant pool of red-tape.

Maybe we will get squeezed out, maybe we will get bigger. But there is so much more to cannabis then just the growing and selling of it. Money is a great motivater, but I have had it all, from big houses and fancy cars, to living in a single 1 room apartment and a riding a beach cruiser for transportation. Im not worried, I dont need money to be happy, it sure helps, but id like to think it doesnt control my every action...

This is far more important than richard lee, profits, or big biz. This is a movement to keep innocent people from having their lifes destoryed over something as rudimentry as cannabis.

My only incentive for pushing this through with such a passion is I do not want to see any more people have to go to prison for a plant. Sure the way its written many of you will still say that it is open to keep the prision population flourishing, but I just dont believe that will happend. The title of prop 19 it self is far more important than of what is actually in the language and once localities realize how much money can be produced, many of them will write much more leniant laws and issue liscense for production. Than all you need to do is lobby your local representives to help create legislation that helps the people in your area.

I truly believe this is a good thing for all people involved, even if they dont realize it.

If nothing else, this will rocket tourism, increase demand, bring 1000s if not tens of 1000s of new jobs to california, put money back into our communities, legitimize billions of dollars of blackmarket sales, remove all the social taboo that goes along with having a unregulated market and start a social movement across the nation that is no longer hindered by hearsay and propaganda.

 

[dagnabit]

Not hating the market...but all should have a chance to prosper not just the wealthy...

and who enforces this "fairness"

 

[Grass Lands]

Maybe we will get squeezed out, maybe we will get bigger. But there is so much more to cannabis then just the growing and selling of it. Money is a great motivater, but I have had it all, from big houses and fancy cars, to living in a single 1 room apartment and a riding a beach cruiser for transportation. Im not worried, I dont need money to be happy, it sure helps, but id like to think it doesnt control my every action...

This is far more important than richard lee, profits, or big biz. This is a movement to keep innocent people from having their lifes destoryed over something as rudimentry as cannabis.

My only incentive for pushing this through with such a passion is I do not want to see any more people have to go to prison for a plant. Sure the way its written many of you will still say that it is open to keep the prision population flourishing, but I just dont believe that will happend. The title of prop 19 it self is far more important than of what is actually in the language and once localities realize how much money can be produced, many of them will write much more leniant laws and issue liscense for production. Than all you need to do is lobby your local representives to help create legislation that helps the people in your area.

I truly believe this is a good thing for all people involved, even if they dont realize it.

If nothing else, this will rocket tourism, increase demand, bring 1000s if not tens of 1000s of new jobs to california, put money back into our communities, legitimize billions of dollars of blackmarket sales, remove all the social taboo that goes along with having a unregulated market and start a social movement across the nation that is no longer hindered by hearsay and propaganda.

Right on BiG H3rB,

Those are words I can honestly say makes me feel good..I now see you are not just in it for the financial gain and you are really trying to bring greater good to the movement...you may have just swayed me and that is not an easy thing to do...

Peace
GL

 

[Tom Hill]

I agree with that Tr3E and that's the spirit bro,

Look past the particulars and into the heart of this thing and realize it (a yes vote) is the right and righteous move. In my opinion it is truly the bravest of cannasoldier who can do this knowing it will very likely effect him personally, financially, in a negative way. I assure you, the vast majority of no's are operating from a much shakier moral ground - to put it mildly.

 

[BigBudBill]

Tom

You are exactly right. A yes vote is right and righteous because this is about more than financial gains and losses for individuals. It is about a paradigm change in this state, this country and the world.

I am planning my party for Nov 5th!

 

[JJScorpio]

I read the thread. So Richard Lee has no dispensaries and no financial gain from this...huh that's odd, he must just be one of those great guys that spends a million dollars out of the goodness of his heart.

I didn't notice Richard Lee posting in this thread. What's his handle?

 

[JJScorpio]

i think ICMAG Administration should unendorse the TRCTCA2010

Imagine that.

A few of us were talking and we were wondering what type of membership we have after reading this thread, lol......

Do you know what I'm talking about? The sites supposed to be about people growing and smoking Cannabis, hoping someday it will be legal around the world. I think it's safe to say a lot of us have been shocked by some of the things we've read.

"It all starts with a seed". I guess we found that some people have a different version of what "it" is.....


I guess it might be time for a "mission statement".

 

[MotaDelHombre]

site seem more to do with money than any kind of cause

 

[BigBudBill]

Imagine that.

A few of us were talking and we were wondering what type of membership we have after reading this thread, lol......

Do you know what I'm talking about? The sites supposed to be about people growing and smoking Cannabis, hoping someday it will be legal around the world. I think it's safe to say a lot of us have been shocked by some of the things we've read.

"It all starts with a seed". I guess we found that some people have a different version of what "it" is.....


I guess it might be time for a "mission statement".

^This

 

[BigBudBill]

site seem more to do with money than any kind of cause

All orders will be accompanied by a 'Freebie' pack of seeds....These seeds are given to you free of charge on one condition....What you must do with these 'freebie' seeds is to share them with someone else who might grow them so joining us in the ever growing growing community worldwide..

Remember to share with a friend, and as Gypsy says "Grow On!"

You, my friend, havent looked at this site and its affiliates close enough.
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[Kwazee Wabbit]

I understand some of the posters here wanting to stop the legalization of cannabis. Money is a drug also. Money can be more addictive than nicotine. (notice I did not say H)

The world needs to change. We all need to change and face the reality of who we are. Money is the root of all evil today. Thanks Floyd!

Many are willing to see their friends and relatives persecuted because they grow and/or use a medicinal herb. These same people want to keep their income flowing from the pockets of the most vulnerable members of society.

The price of cannabis should be set as low as possible for the sick and dying. It should really be provided free of charge. Let the state tax recreational cannabis use and use the proceeds to help those who truly need it.

If the price of cannabis was low enough the tourism industy would be huge. This would drive a nail in the coffins of Mexican drug gangs and the parasitic cops and lawyers that feed on those unfortunate enough to fall prey to our flawed legal system.

Vote YES for 19 and help your bothers and sisters!

 

[JJScorpio]

All orders will be accompanied by a 'Freebie' pack of seeds....These seeds are given to you free of charge on one condition....What you must do with these 'freebie' seeds is to share them with someone else who might grow them so joining us in the ever growing growing community worldwide..

Remember to share with a friend, and as Gypsy says "Grow On!"

You, my friend, havent looked at this site and its affiliates close enough.
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Randy's having coping problems, lol......

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

 

[cantstoplooking]

Im wondering whats in this bill that's gonna keep big agri from moving in and farming cannabis the same as the do corn? I just picture big john deers plowing through cannabis then throwing it into huge industrial trimmers. There has to be more to it than that if Richard Lee is trying so hard to get this past and apparently has licence's already lined up.

 

[Chief Rbud]

That`s just it I can carry 1000 lbs with me legal under California law as a medical user ,under State Law I can grow as much marijuana as I want because limits in AB420 were thrown out and were not defined under prop215.But that changes as soon as prop 19 becomes law and medical users will be under the same limits as everyone else is! Limits are not in prop 215 and thoughs limits in AB420 were only thrown out because 215 was a vote of the people and AB 420 was inacted against 215 but the courts said it could not supersede the peoples vote or expand on it. Thoughing would stop the courts of saying Prop 19 by vote of the people could be limiting medical users because it would not address what 215 did not say having omited limits there by making limits and not being in conflict with prop 215 at the same time!

this is a perfect example of one of the outright blatent lies i was referring to. medical patients are NOT affected by this law. stop freakin lieing

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Maybe we will get squeezed out, maybe we will get bigger. But there is so much more to cannabis then just the growing and selling of it. Money is a great motivater, but I have had it all, from big houses and fancy cars, to living in a single 1 room apartment and a riding a beach cruiser for transportation. Im not worried, I dont need money to be happy, it sure helps, but id like to think it doesnt control my every action...

This is far more important than richard lee, profits, or big biz. This is a movement to keep innocent people from having their lifes destoryed over something as rudimentry as cannabis.

My only incentive for pushing this through with such a passion is I do not want to see any more people have to go to prison for a plant. Sure the way its written many of you will still say that it is open to keep the prision population flourishing, but I just dont believe that will happend. The title of prop 19 it self is far more important than of what is actually in the language and once localities realize how much money can be produced, many of them will write much more leniant laws and issue liscense for production. Than all you need to do is lobby your local representives to help create legislation that helps the people in your area.

I truly believe this is a good thing for all people involved, even if they dont realize it.

If nothing else, this will rocket tourism, increase demand, bring 1000s if not tens of 1000s of new jobs to california, put money back into our communities, legitimize billions of dollars of blackmarket sales, remove all the social taboo that goes along with having a unregulated market and start a social movement across the nation that is no longer hindered by hearsay and propaganda.

First of all I agree with what you say, much how I feel.
But I did wonder about when you said,

"Cannabis CAN be grown cheaply and in mass production, but who wants to smoke trash weed? Sure it may be a few bucks cheaper, but for the most part people want quality cannabis and it takes alot of time and effort to produce high grade marijuana."

Do you really believe that quality Cannabis can't be grown outdoors by the ton? Sativa or Kush? All that is required are cultivators that care first about quality, and plant a variety that does well in their area, finishes fully without cold or wet that will not allow the best results or cause pests or diseases. Did you ever try imported Thai back in the early 70's? Was any of it any good in your opinion? I know it was the highest priced Cannabis product back in the early 70's, and in my opinion the best thing on the market until homegrown a few years later was available in large amounts and could be a bit higher quality, at least some, there was lots of crap in the early days of homegrown also, remember there were no retail seeds, no clones, no indoor lights.
A lot was hit or miss compared to today. But don't fool yourself into thinking that commercial Cannabis can't be great, it just ain't true.
Have you ever had great imported Thai? It is a commercial product outdoor grown, and transported for long periods. Still could be great.

-SamS

 

[MotaDelHombre]

Who care if they do grow massive amount of bad weed. There will always be something better around the corner or in your own back yard. Corporations make wine and beer now but you can make your own