ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[GanjaAL]

It is not that... taxation is not legalization. Quit saying it is. I live here in Cali and it is not legalization. It is taxation and regulation to increase sales and make money for the coffers that are empty because the state representitives spent it all and will continue to do so.

So you are saying Aids chemo ect. are a joke????? Is that what you are implying. Do you have to have a dehibilitating desease in order to get a rec???

Sorry but if you are hoping your state will inact a rec prop... sorry but chances of that are slim. Hardcore concervitives will not allow that. However MMJ can win the hardest of concervitives... it is just that it is not happening fast enough for you... so we should compromise and alow the same people who want to prohibit marijuana tax and regulate it... yea right.

Not to mention that the VA is allowing vets to use mmj without fear of loosing there other medications... now with that come the next step in the deffensive aurgument at the federal level which no rec prop willl ever do.

 

[rives]

Holy shit, I cannot believe the amount of time that I have wasted reading this thread. I think for pure mulishness, I would be hard pressed to find it’s equivalent. We obviously have a few high-minded individuals that are unwilling to relent until a proposition is floated that hasn’t a prayer of passing in our lifetimes. I cannot wrap my head around why legislation that greatly frees up most of the populace or, at worst, is no worse than the existing law (with the minor exception of the 18-20 year olds, of which I know exactly zero that are smokers) is so repugnant to these righteous folks. Willfully misunderstanding the facts or making wild, inaccurate comparisons may feed someone’s smug self-image, but it sure makes shitty reading after a while. And, like it or not, the rest of the nation tends to follow California’s lead. Whether it be smog regulations, alternative energy, or virtually anything else, that has been our position for years. I think that absolutely the worst thing that we could do is to show the nation that California doesn’t want more liberal cannabis laws, because that is exactly how it will be interpreted.

 

[vta]

Humm...so you guys all Hell bent on 'less than an ounce is no biggie' do you realize that is a "conviction" that can haunt people the rest of their lives? Were talking all kinds of gov aid, home aid, school aid, driving privileges etc...

oh...and people DO go to jail for possession right here in Cali...wake up from your fantasy.


California Cops Turn Focus to Making Marijuana Arrests

A frequent claim made by opponents of marijuana policy reform is that hardly anybody is ever really arrested for low-level marijuana offenses. But like most prohibitionist arguments, that’s a lie.

In California, where marijuana possession was “decriminalized” in 1976 and medical marijuana legalized 20 years later, the state Department of Justice reports that law enforcement conducted a record 78,492 marijuana arrests in 2008. About 80% of these (61,366) were for mere possession – not sale or cultivation.

The California-based Center for Juvenile and Criminal Justice (CJCJ) took a long look at trends for marijuana arrests in the state and revealed some disturbing information. In its recent report to the California Legislature, CJCJ showed that the arrest rate for marijuana possession has skyrocketed in California – up 127% – between 1990 and 2008. But during the same period, arrests for all other offenses in California decreased by 40% – including other drug possession, which sank by nearly 30%. The arrest rate for marijuana sales and manufacturing even decreased 21% during this period.

You can’t help but conclude from this data that California’s police agencies have developed an almost singular focus on marijuana possession as their top law enforcement priority. This is shocking, not only because most Californians now say they want marijuana legal, but because it’s a dangerous and irresponsible use of limited public safety resources.

Last year, while California’s law enforcement officers were rounding up a record number of marijuana consumers, almost 60,000 reported violent crimes never resulted in an arrest.* Thanks to decriminalization in California, these arrests usually don’t result in jail or lengthy detainment, but they do take real police time and other criminal justice resources.

Anyone unfortunate enough to have been a victim of an unsolved crime should support repealing marijuana prohibition and freeing up police to focus on public safety rather than consensual adult activity that’s no more harmful than drinking beer or wine.

*Source: FBI, Crime in the U.S., 2008

*************************************************

As indicated in the graph above, misdemeanor marijuana arrests have been on an upward trend since 1992.

~ In 1990 Marijuana possession accounted for just 8% of all arrests in California, but nearly 25% of all arrests in 2008.

In 2008 for the first time in recorded history, the number of offenders imprisoned for drug possession exceeded the number of offenders imprisoned for manufacturing and sales by an extremely large margin.

California Marijuana Arrests by Category: 2008
Misdemeanor Marijuana Possession 61,388 arrests
Felony Sales and Manufacturing of Marijuana 17,126 arrests

**************************************************


Marijuana Arrests and California’s Drug War:
A Report to the California Legislature
Mike Males PhD
Daniel Macallair MPA
Introduction. For nearly three decades, California’s criminal justice system has devoted
ever increasing resources towards the arrest, prosecution, and imprisonment of drug
offenders. Drug offenses typically are categorized as manufacturing, distribution and
possession. Historically, manufacturing and distribution accounted for the
preponderance of law enforcement resources as this category of offenders were seen as
the greater menace since they were responsible for promoting and maintaining the illicit
drug trade. Possession offenders, at least those who committed no additional offenses,
were viewed with greater sympathy since they were the drug users who were often seen
as the victims of their own addictions. Indeed, prison statistics prior to the 1990s showed
imprisonments for manufacturing and sales far exceeding imprisonments for possession.
However, beginning in the 1990s, prison statistics show a dramatic and unprecedented
change in priorities as possession offenders became the primary target of law
enforcement. By 1995, for the first time in recorded history, the number of offenders
imprisoned for drug possession exceeded the number of offenders imprisoned for
manufacturing and sales. The unprecedented shift in California law enforcement
priorities towards targeting the demand side of the drug war is clearly demonstrated by
the extraordinary increase in the rate of arrests for misdemeanor possession (small
quantity, less than one ounce*) of marijuana (Table 1).
In fact, simple marijuana possession is the only offense category showing an increase
over the last two decades (Figure 1). While virtually every category of serious crime
registered sizeable decreases in rate of arrest, marijuana possession arrest rates
increased by 127%. In contrast, arrests for all other forms of drug sales and
manufacturing decreased by 33%, while arrests for sales and manufacturing of marijuana
decreased by 21%.
The result is that nearly one fourth of all drug arrests in California are now for simple
marijuana possession. Small-quantity marijuana possession is rapidly becoming
California’s main drug offense, with arrest rates rising at 1.8 times the rates for all other
drug offenses (Table 1). California’s trend toward vastly more marijuana possession
arrest is occurring at a time when death rates from overdoses of heroin, cocaine,
methamphetamine, prescription opiates, and combinations of these harder drugs are
soaring (2,100 in 1990, rising to 4,100 in 2007), indicating that genuine drug abuse and
addiction issues goes unaddressed.

Marijuana possession imprisonments. Equally surprising, imprisonments of Californians
whose chief offense was small-quantity possession of drugs have risen faster than
admissions for other offenses. While they comprise only a little more than 1%
of all new imprisonments, simple marijuana possession prison sentences have registered
the largest increase. Although male drug possession admissions have risen more rapidly,
six in 10 women’s drug admissions are now for simple possession, compared to half for
men.

Link to the Gov report

Marijuana possession arrests accounted for 80% of all marijuana arrests in California during 2007.
(Nationally, marijuana possession arrests account for 89% of all marijuana arrests.) There were 59,179
arrests for marijuana possession in California in 2007, and 14,845 arrests for marijuana sales. The arrest
rate for marijuana possession in California was 162 per 100,000 for 2007, while the arrest rate for
marijuana sales was 41. Marijuana arrests also accounted for 25% of all drug arrests in California during
2007.

Marijuana Arrest, Use, and Plant Seizure Trends in California (2003 – 2007)
Marijuana arrests in California increased from 61,375 in 2003 to 74,024 in 2007. The arrest rate in 2003
was 173 per 100,000 while in 2007 it was 203.
Compared to a 2.93% average annualized increase in marijuana arrests nationally, marijuana arrests in
California increased by 3.82% per year. (While the arrest rate nationally increased 2.19% annually in this
period, in California the arrest rate changed by 2.11% per year.)
During this same period, the number of annual marijuana users in California increased from 3,222,000 in
2003 to 3,342,000 in 2007. This was an average annualized change of 0.73% per year. The number of
monthly marijuana users increased from 1,850,000 in 2003 to 1,949,000 in 2007, which produced an
average annualized change of 1.05%.
Marijuana cultivation in California has increased dramatically in recent years. The Drug Enforcement
Administration’s Domestic Cannabis Eradication Suppression Program (DCESP) data does not include all
seized marijuana plants in the state; however these data provide an accurate indication of overall
trends. Estimates of how much of the total amount of marijuana grown in the state is seized by local,
state, and federal authorities vary and are beyond the scope of this report. However the overall trend is
clear. Total marijuana plant seizures in California have increased 338% from 2004 to 2008, and indoor
plant seizures have increased almost 20% in the same period.

 

[igrowone]

It is not that... taxation is not legalization. Quit saying it is. I live here in Cali and it is not legalization. It is taxation and regulation to increase sales and make money for the coffers that are empty because the state representitives spent it all and will continue to do so.

So you are saying Aids chemo ect. are a joke????? Is that what you are implying. Do you have to have a dehibilitating desease in order to get a rec???

Sorry but if you are hoping your state will inact a rec prop... sorry but chances of that are slim. Hardcore concervitives will not allow that. However MMJ can win the hardest of concervitives... it is just that it is not happening fast enough for you... so we should compromise and alow the same people who want to prohibit marijuana tax and regulate it... yea right.

Not to mention that the VA is allowing vets to use mmj without fear of loosing there other medications... now with that come the next step in the deffensive aurgument at the federal level which no rec prop willl ever do.

you really do seem to believe this, but taxation is legalization, in a manner of speaking
legal activities, transactions, exchanges are often taxed
if it's taxed it's legal, if it's not legal, it's called fines
it's practically an oxymoron to call a taxed activity not legal

 

[JuC]

i can't understand how anybody could vote "no"... even if it's not perfekt: it's one step and if you don't do this step you will never reach the next one.
if the vote fails there's just another argument for the cannabis victims: "people don't want it".
even as a german i hope that the vote passes, because this would be a strong signal to our politics, too.
the prohibition came to us by the US and i hope it's taken away by them, too.

 

[MoldyFrogToe]

Obviously more people are going to get arrested for weed under the explosion of prop 215, that's not surprising and it shouldn't be used as reasoning to vote against this bill, because if anything this bill would mean that police would be less liable to have to worry about MJ arrests.

The whole freakin state is going broke by negative 20 billion and called a state of emergency for financial debt - if this passes there will be less cops policing MJ anyways.

And for those who don't know what legalization means:

legalize |ˈlēgəˌlīz|
verb [ trans. ]
make (something that was previously illegal) permissible by law : a measure legalizing gambling in Deadwood.


Nobody was ever expecting legalization for minors under 21, either.

 

[GanjaAL]

Again VTA it will not change and again because of so called legaliztion and the flood of marijuana can accout for its record arrests. Again... prop19 does nothing for you if you have over an ounce, which is what everyone it getting arrested for now.

 

[subrob]

Your language and argument style is offensive and a violation of the terms of use of this sight. It is very nice of you to tell a moderator to "Now fuck off."

You sir are doing more to recruit NO votes than any amount of logic could achieve.

I am not afraid of competition I am afraid of weak remembers of this community like you that would sell others out and place them in prison so that a smoker can buy an OZ from one of the Government approved vendors.

Also nice hating on Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, these long dead freedom fighters are resting much better knowing you are not their legacy.

Thank you,

hahahahaha....big herb is FOR the advancement of this community. he is giving up what most of you anti's WONT GIVE UP. i know him. i know what he is doing. i know what he has done. you need to learn that when you open your fucking mouth you should know who the fuck your talking to or about.

 

[vta]

Sure but buy a QP from your friend and both of you get 7 years. Gather up 4oz from various state legal places and then drive back to a shit whole city that bans sales you get 7 years for the possession.

you go to jail for selling a QP right now anyway...your point is not only pure argumentative but pretty darn silly.

Believe it or not some people would like to buy a QP and drive back home with the same FREEDOM you say is so important for one oz.

I believe it. And guess what...the 1 ounce is a 'minimum' that cities can increase. There is no way an all out free for all would get passed. The fact that it only legalizes 1 ounce and the fact that currently 1 ounce is decriminalized, is keeping LEO organizations down a bit. If 19 said you could have unlimited amounts of marijuana there is no way in hell the general voters would go for it and the LEO organizations would have a field day. They would say shit like "how are we suppose to know if a person is illegally selling if there allowed to drive around with 100 pounds of bud?" makes kind of sense doesn't it. That is because we are taking about 'regulation' here.


This law is far from perfect...but to say that 'OVERALL' is hurts smokers or the movement is just plain shortsighted.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

We will overcome. Move on up !! Move on up !!

 

[Frozenguy]

So prohibition is fine and CA residents should just continue to make medical marijuana look like nothing more than a screen for recreational use?

You're so confident that legalization suited to your liking is only a year or two away that you're willing to vote no on legalization?

Its quite hard to tell who smokes purely recreationally. In fact, one could argue the vast majority of cannabis smokers are self medicating, a lot may not even know it. Just as many may self medicate with a six pack of beer.
If people want to smoke a lot, and grow their own to have a steady supply, they are probably self medicating to a degree and its not absurd to get a card.


And I dont really think its prohibition in Cali. People aren't getting busted for things that prop19 takes care of. There may be a story or two, but beyond that it just doesn't happen.


I'm not waiting for a bill suited to my liking, but one that doesn't cross the lines on some issues I have problems with. I have problems with a lot of the language of this bill, but only a small fraction of those are keeping me from voting yes. I would compromise if it wasn't for a couple of issues.

 

[Frozenguy]

I wonder why it grew so much. Maybe because laws were put into place that allowed people to grow cannabis and it was a new crazy idea and cops didn't know how to handle it (We can see how it might be a tad confusing for LEO, especially in the beginning).
Plus you got people abusing the system and what not. It was a transitional period.

Humm...so you guys all Hell bent on 'less than an ounce is no biggie' do you realize that is a "conviction" that can haunt people the rest of their lives? Were talking all kinds of gov aid, home aid, school aid, driving privileges etc...

oh...and people DO go to jail for possession right here in Cali...wake up from your fantasy.


California Cops Turn Focus to Making Marijuana Arrests

A frequent claim made by opponents of marijuana policy reform is that hardly anybody is ever really arrested for low-level marijuana offenses. But like most prohibitionist arguments, that’s a lie.

In California, where marijuana possession was “decriminalized” in 1976 and medical marijuana legalized 20 years later, the state Department of Justice reports that law enforcement conducted a record 78,492 marijuana arrests in 2008. About 80% of these (61,366) were for mere possession – not sale or cultivation.

The California-based Center for Juvenile and Criminal Justice (CJCJ) took a long look at trends for marijuana arrests in the state and revealed some disturbing information. In its recent report to the California Legislature, CJCJ showed that the arrest rate for marijuana possession has skyrocketed in California – up 127% – between 1990 and 2008. But during the same period, arrests for all other offenses in California decreased by 40% – including other drug possession, which sank by nearly 30%. The arrest rate for marijuana sales and manufacturing even decreased 21% during this period.

You can’t help but conclude from this data that California’s police agencies have developed an almost singular focus on marijuana possession as their top law enforcement priority. This is shocking, not only because most Californians now say they want marijuana legal, but because it’s a dangerous and irresponsible use of limited public safety resources.

Last year, while California’s law enforcement officers were rounding up a record number of marijuana consumers, almost 60,000 reported violent crimes never resulted in an arrest.* Thanks to decriminalization in California, these arrests usually don’t result in jail or lengthy detainment, but they do take real police time and other criminal justice resources.

Anyone unfortunate enough to have been a victim of an unsolved crime should support repealing marijuana prohibition and freeing up police to focus on public safety rather than consensual adult activity that’s no more harmful than drinking beer or wine.

*Source: FBI, Crime in the U.S., 2008

*************************************************

As indicated in the graph above, misdemeanor marijuana arrests have been on an upward trend since 1992.

~ In 1990 Marijuana possession accounted for just 8% of all arrests in California, but nearly 25% of all arrests in 2008.

In 2008 for the first time in recorded history, the number of offenders imprisoned for drug possession exceeded the number of offenders imprisoned for manufacturing and sales by an extremely large margin.

California Marijuana Arrests by Category: 2008
Misdemeanor Marijuana Possession 61,388 arrests
Felony Sales and Manufacturing of Marijuana 17,126 arrests

**************************************************


Marijuana Arrests and California’s Drug War:
A Report to the California Legislature
Mike Males PhD
Daniel Macallair MPA
Introduction. For nearly three decades, California’s criminal justice system has devoted
ever increasing resources towards the arrest, prosecution, and imprisonment of drug
offenders. Drug offenses typically are categorized as manufacturing, distribution and
possession. Historically, manufacturing and distribution accounted for the
preponderance of law enforcement resources as this category of offenders were seen as
the greater menace since they were responsible for promoting and maintaining the illicit
drug trade. Possession offenders, at least those who committed no additional offenses,
were viewed with greater sympathy since they were the drug users who were often seen
as the victims of their own addictions. Indeed, prison statistics prior to the 1990s showed
imprisonments for manufacturing and sales far exceeding imprisonments for possession.
However, beginning in the 1990s, prison statistics show a dramatic and unprecedented
change in priorities as possession offenders became the primary target of law
enforcement. By 1995, for the first time in recorded history, the number of offenders
imprisoned for drug possession exceeded the number of offenders imprisoned for
manufacturing and sales. The unprecedented shift in California law enforcement
priorities towards targeting the demand side of the drug war is clearly demonstrated by
the extraordinary increase in the rate of arrests for misdemeanor possession (small
quantity, less than one ounce*) of marijuana (Table 1).
In fact, simple marijuana possession is the only offense category showing an increase
over the last two decades (Figure 1). While virtually every category of serious crime
registered sizeable decreases in rate of arrest, marijuana possession arrest rates
increased by 127%. In contrast, arrests for all other forms of drug sales and
manufacturing decreased by 33%, while arrests for sales and manufacturing of marijuana
decreased by 21%.
The result is that nearly one fourth of all drug arrests in California are now for simple
marijuana possession. Small-quantity marijuana possession is rapidly becoming
California’s main drug offense, with arrest rates rising at 1.8 times the rates for all other
drug offenses (Table 1). California’s trend toward vastly more marijuana possession
arrest is occurring at a time when death rates from overdoses of heroin, cocaine,
methamphetamine, prescription opiates, and combinations of these harder drugs are
soaring (2,100 in 1990, rising to 4,100 in 2007), indicating that genuine drug abuse and
addiction issues goes unaddressed.

Marijuana possession imprisonments. Equally surprising, imprisonments of Californians
whose chief offense was small-quantity possession of drugs have risen faster than
admissions for other offenses. While they comprise only a little more than 1%
of all new imprisonments, simple marijuana possession prison sentences have registered
the largest increase. Although male drug possession admissions have risen more rapidly,
six in 10 women’s drug admissions are now for simple possession, compared to half for
men.

Link to the Gov report

Marijuana possession arrests accounted for 80% of all marijuana arrests in California during 2007.
(Nationally, marijuana possession arrests account for 89% of all marijuana arrests.) There were 59,179
arrests for marijuana possession in California in 2007, and 14,845 arrests for marijuana sales. The arrest
rate for marijuana possession in California was 162 per 100,000 for 2007, while the arrest rate for
marijuana sales was 41. Marijuana arrests also accounted for 25% of all drug arrests in California during
2007.

Marijuana Arrest, Use, and Plant Seizure Trends in California (2003 – 2007)
Marijuana arrests in California increased from 61,375 in 2003 to 74,024 in 2007. The arrest rate in 2003
was 173 per 100,000 while in 2007 it was 203.
Compared to a 2.93% average annualized increase in marijuana arrests nationally, marijuana arrests in
California increased by 3.82% per year. (While the arrest rate nationally increased 2.19% annually in this
period, in California the arrest rate changed by 2.11% per year.)
During this same period, the number of annual marijuana users in California increased from 3,222,000 in
2003 to 3,342,000 in 2007. This was an average annualized change of 0.73% per year. The number of
monthly marijuana users increased from 1,850,000 in 2003 to 1,949,000 in 2007, which produced an
average annualized change of 1.05%.
Marijuana cultivation in California has increased dramatically in recent years. The Drug Enforcement
Administration’s Domestic Cannabis Eradication Suppression Program (DCESP) data does not include all
seized marijuana plants in the state; however these data provide an accurate indication of overall
trends. Estimates of how much of the total amount of marijuana grown in the state is seized by local,
state, and federal authorities vary and are beyond the scope of this report. However the overall trend is
clear. Total marijuana plant seizures in California have increased 338% from 2004 to 2008, and indoor
plant seizures have increased almost 20% in the same period.

 

[StoneElemental]

Holy shit, I cannot believe the amount of time that I have wasted reading this thread. I think for pure mulishness, I would be hard pressed to find it’s equivalent. We obviously have a few high-minded individuals that are unwilling to relent until a proposition is floated that hasn’t a prayer of passing in our lifetimes. I cannot wrap my head around why legislation that greatly frees up most of the populace or, at worst, is no worse than the existing law (with the minor exception of the 18-20 year olds, of which I know exactly zero that are smokers) is so repugnant to these righteous folks. Willfully misunderstanding the facts or making wild, inaccurate comparisons may feed someone’s smug self-image, but it sure makes shitty reading after a while. And, like it or not, the rest of the nation tends to follow California’s lead. Whether it be smog regulations, alternative energy, or virtually anything else, that has been our position for years. I think that absolutely the worst thing that we could do is to show the nation that California doesn’t want more liberal cannabis laws, because that is exactly how it will be interpreted.

and thank to a number of other posters feeling and stating something along the same lines including TomHill and numerous others.

-S.E.

 

[nomaad]

(with the minor exception of the 18-20 year olds, of which I know exactly zero that are smokers)

seriously? i don't know any 18-21 year-olds who don't puff.

 

[vta]

Again VTA it will not change and again because of so called legaliztion and the flood of marijuana can accout for its record arrests. Again... prop19 does nothing for you if you have over an ounce, which is what everyone it getting arrested for now.

you crack me up.

If you think 19 will not keep more people out of jail...after all that's been posted and thrown at you...then I don't know what to say.


Here...let's see what the Attorney General thinks will happen if 19 passes. Oh....and note that is a 'real' world projection done with statical information you could shake a stick at and prepared as a legal document. This is not R. Lee but the State.

Legislative Analyst’s Office
7/12/2010 11:08 AM

...........Impacts on State and Local Expenditures

Reduction in State and Local Correctional Costs. The measure could result in savings to the state and local governments by reducing the number of marijuana offenders incarcerated in state prisons and county jails, as well as the number placed under county probation or state parole supervision. These savings could reach several tens of millions of dollars annually. The county jail savings would be offset to the extent that jail beds no longer needed for marijuana offenders were used for other criminals who are now being released early because of a lack of jail space.

Reduction in Court and Law Enforcement Costs. The measure would result in a reduction in state and local costs for enforcement of marijuana-related offenses and the handling of related criminal cases in the court system. However, it is likely that the state and local governments would redirect their resources to other law enforcement and court activities.............


So ...the States top lawyers analyzed 19 and they seem to think it will keep more people out of jail.

 

[Centrum]

The only thing i fear in the future of legalized mj is lots and lots of real life video of various people having bad trips and freaking out from smoking MJ. * Think Cop and Wife eating brownies HIGH calling 911* Non stop on the news and silly videos from youtube!

These videos will frighten people in a real sense unlike the hyped scary MJ bullshit videos from the past.
A whole new School of laws will be written, Under the influence, public intoxication, influencing a minor..... can you imagine if your walking down the road and you accidentily blow smoke in the wrong persons direction!


Mj might not have killed anyone directly from smoking it, but we all know it has fucked some people up in many different and uncomfortable ways, just like alot of other drugs, when its legal this cat will come out of the bag and there will be consequences.

Either way to each his own.

I do know that dealing is a lifestyle and if you force someone to change their lifestyle the results might not be so positive!
Might force harder drugs to make a come back so dealers can still make money!

Only time will tell, however it turns out best of luck for both sides.

 

[JJScorpio]

Sure but buy a QP from your friend and both of you get 7 years. Gather up 4oz from various state legal places and then drive back to a shit whole city that bans sales you get 7 years for the possession.

Believe it or not some people would like to buy a QP and drive back home with the same FREEDOM you say is so important for one oz.

Well they sure can't do it now, now can they? So I guess an ounce is a whole lot better than a bag of air......

And whoever thinks you can only do 7 years for rape in Cali is wrong. It's eight to start and another 5 tacked on if you physically hurt the person during the rape. To me, that's 13 years.....

 

[JuC]

So I guess an ounce is a whole lot better than a bag of air......

that's it!

everyone likes amsterdam... but in netherlands you are only allowed to carry 5grams(!), think about it...

 

[GanjaAL]

you crack me up.

If you think 19 will not keep more people out of jail...after all that's been posted and thrown at you...then I don't know what to say.


Here...let's see what the Attorney General thinks will happen if 19 passes. Oh....and note that is a 'real' world projection done with statical information you could shake a stick at and prepared as a legal document. This is not R. Lee but the State.

Legislative Analyst’s Office
7/12/2010 11:08 AM

...........Impacts on State and Local Expenditures

Reduction in State and Local Correctional Costs. The measure could result in savings to the state and local governments by reducing the number of marijuana offenders incarcerated in state prisons and county jails, as well as the number placed under county probation or state parole supervision. These savings could reach several tens of millions of dollars annually. The county jail savings would be offset to the extent that jail beds no longer needed for marijuana offenders were used for other criminals who are now being released early because of a lack of jail space.

Reduction in Court and Law Enforcement Costs. The measure would result in a reduction in state and local costs for enforcement of marijuana-related offenses and the handling of related criminal cases in the court system. However, it is likely that the state and local governments would redirect their resources to other law enforcement and court activities.............


So ...the States top lawyers analyzed 19 and they seem to think it will keep more people out of jail.

Tell me how prop19 will keep more people out of jail if prop19 will have no effect on the people being arrested now?

Again people that are being arrested are because they have more than an oz on them at the time of arrest not for what they have at home.

I don't care what you have at your house, I care about what people have on them when they are out and about getting arrested. Again they are not getting arrested at home they are getting arrested out and about with more than an oz on them. So again tell me how prop 19 will stop that????

It won't.

 

[rives]

I think perhaps that is one more example of Darwin's Law.