ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

On medicine - I agree there are too many benefits to count from our favorite plant. And even more to be found and cultivated for.
I disagree on your assessment of what medicine is. Is laughter medicine? Can good sex make you less stressed and happier? Can you get high off running? off Giving to others? off yoga? I'ld say anything that improves well being or alleviates stress improves your health.
I'll search for it, but there is a study that shows pot makes you more "feminine" chemically. (feminine as in the "sacred feminine) This is surely medicine for a world competing for illusory monetary gain.

Well where does it stop? Just because something makes you "feel" good doesn't really make it a medicine. By that some logic you could say that rape is medicine for rapists and murder is medicine for murderers. I understand what your saying, but having been involved in the medical scene for numerous years amoung different states, I can testify that the majority of "patients" just want to get high without worrying about getting arrested. That is recreational use and I fully condone it. That is why we need to pass prop.19 and show people that recreational use IS acceptable. By voting against 19 in favor of the current medical system only shows that people think marijuana should only be used by the sick and dying like morphine or oxycontin.

In case you guys missed it or dont have HBO, Zack Galifinakis lit up a joint during his interview last night night on Real Time with Bill Maher. Probably one of the funniest things ive see on the show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRyLbsW3wZE

 

[dagnabit]

did you see last week when bill invited levi (dont know his last name) the palin baby daddy to spark up after the show?

 

[TruthOrLie]

What are YOU going to do the moment Prop 19 passes?

 

[ReelBusy1]

National polls showed Dewey in a landslide over Truman.They even printed the Nov.3rd edition before the results were final.The very same media that helped criminalize marijuana nine years earlier.(Jack is probably spinning right now) So you can see why I completely trust their objectivity.

On the subject of polls.

Back when there was finally a free election in the Phillipines Pres. Marcos was running against Corey Aquino.
The polls had the dictator Marcos at 95%
Aquino won with 80% of the vote in the end because people lied to pollsters out of fear.
In this country it is called the Broadus Effect.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/07/broadus-effect-social-desirability-bias.html

People may not be telling the truth to polsters out of mistrust etc....but bwe can cross check numbers bu looking at other races in the state.

IMHO
If Brown wins by the polling margin he has now I don't see how the Democrat vote does not carry the Prop to victory.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

did you see last week when bill invited levi (dont know his last name) the palin baby daddy to spark up after the show?

yeah that was pretty funny. im sure he took bill up on the offer too...

 

[Carl Carlson]

National polls showed Dewey in a landslide over Truman.They even printed the Nov.3rd edition before the results were final.The very same media that helped criminalize marijuana nine years earlier.(Jack is probably spinning right now) So you can see why I completely trust their objectivity.

I've read that the pollsters consistently get the ballot questions in California wrong, but to dismiss political polling entirely based on the Dewey Truman election is akin to burying your head in the sand.

 

[Carl Carlson]

On the subject of polls.

Back when there was finally a free election in the Phillipines Pres. Marcos was running against Corey Aquino.
The polls had the dictator Marcos at 95%
Aquino won with 80% of the vote in the end because people lied to pollsters out of fear.
In this country it is called the Broadus Effect.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/07/broadus-effect-social-desirability-bias.html

People may not be telling the truth to polsters out of mistrust etc....but bwe can cross check numbers bu looking at other races in the state.

IMHO
If Brown wins by the polling margin he has now I don't see how the Democrat vote does not carry the Prop to victory.

Good point on Brown's poll number, but comparing prop 19 to the first free election in the Phillipines? How is that at all relateable?

 

[kmk420kali]

Good point on Brown's poll number, but comparing prop 19 to the first free election in the Phillipines? How is that at all relateable?

Because they both involve those being polled, fearing to tell the truth!!
But in the Privacy of the Voting Booth, they voted for what they believed in--

 

[MickeyBlue42]

Battle Over California Marijuana Initiative Goes Down to the Wire

Battle Over California Marijuana Initiative Goes Down to the Wire

OAKLAND, Calif. — It is the home stretch in the battle over Proposition 19, the ballot initiative that would legalize and regulate marijuana in California, and at “Yes” headquarters in downtown Oakland last week, young volunteers were hustling for votes.


But while the setting was laid back — what with the couches, the Frisbees on the walls and the ample snacks — the mood was anything but, as a computerized system dialing potential voters kept phones ringing constantly.

“This is one of our generation’s most important issues,” said Evan Nison, a junior from Ithaca College in New York who has spent the last five months helping to coordinate the campaign on 40 campuses statewide. “Students are going to be the deciding factor, and I’m in charge of colleges. Talk about stress.”

On the “No” side, opponents are at a financial disadvantage but have been using deep political muscle to spread their message, including Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican, and Senator Dianne Feinstein, a Democrat who joined a statewide tour in Los Angeles on Friday. They have also been hammering the proposition on the radio, saying it will endanger children and short-circuit federal school financing and painting its backers as under the influence.

“Wow,” a new advertisement concludes. “Maybe the proponents should have waited to celebrate until after they’d written the legal language.”

Still, with a growing number of Americans favoring legalization — a Gallup poll released last week found a record high 46 percent approving of legalizing marijuana — perhaps no ballot measure in the country will be more closely watched on Tuesday.

And while some polls here show the “yes” side on Proposition 19 trailing, even a close loss could have national impact, as groups seeking to change drug laws watch the results and consider backing legalization measures in other states.

“Win or lose, this thing has moved the ball much further down the field than anyone could have imagined,” said Ethan Nadelmann, the executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance, which supports Proposition 19. “It’s transformed the debate not only in California, but nationally and internationally.”

Even opponents concede that their efforts to stop the measure do not necessarily mean that legalization is deeply unpopular, just that it is a bad idea to pass Proposition 19, which would allow anyone over 21 to possess and cultivate small amounts of marijuana but would leave many of the details concerning the sale, production and taxation to local governments.

“We have members of the coalition who are opposed to legalization of any kind, and we have members who say, ‘We could see it,’ ” said Roger Salazar, a spokesman and strategist for the opponents. “But the hodge-podge of ‘let’s legalize use throughout the state, and then figure out if we want to legalize its sale, or tax it’ — it doesn’t seem to work for a lot of folks.”

Backers of the measure have spent more than $2 million getting it on the ballot and campaigning for its passage, an effort that has been assisted in recent weeks by several large donations, including $1 million from the billionaire George Soros. That late influx of cash has helped pay for a spate of advertisements.

The opposition campaign — run by a pair of experienced political consulting firms based in Sacramento — says it has raised only about $350,000 in donations. But they have found substantial support from well-connected, well-organized groups like the California Police Chiefs Association and the California Chamber of Commerce.

Not that many donors on both sides were initially interested in giving money to an initiative that was seen as a long shot.

“It wasn’t even on their radar screen,” said Tim Rosales, the “No on 19” campaign manager.

Mr. Nadelmann concurred, saying many big pro-legalization donors, like Mr. Soros, did not start to consider giving money until it became apparent that the measure had a fighting chance.

“They didn’t quite believe that the polling would hold up as well it did,” Mr. Nadelmann said.

While the “No” campaign has been bare-bones — no phone banks, no direct mail — it has used big names and some shocking images to get attention. The Web site for “No on 19,” for example, depicts a crumpled car and an overturned school bus and warns that “recreational marijuana use in fatal crashes will increase if Proposition 19 passes.”

“It will be legal for a driver to get high right before taking the wheel,” it says.

Mrs. Feinstein echoed those themes in her appearance in Los Angeles on Friday, saying Proposition 19 would not increase tax revenue for the state and would not curb violence of drug cartels, both arguments that proponents have made in its favor.

“These, I believe, are false promises,” she said.

California was the first state to legalize medical marijuana in 1996 and would be the first state to legalize recreational use. But this month, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said the federal government would vigorously pursue criminal prosecutions of those who possess, manufacture or distribute the drug, regardless of Proposition 19’s outcome.

Despite uncertainty, strategists for Proposition 19 say they have a number of factors in their favor, including the enthusiasm from young voters, a large get-out-the-vote effort and what they call a “great silent majority” who approve of legalization.

“Voters have increasingly become angrier and angrier at the establishment,” said Chris Lehane, a longtime Democratic strategist who is working for Proposition 19. “And this is the most anti-establishment initiative in the land this cycle.”

Much of the ground game for Proposition 19 is centered in Oakland, where the measure’s co-sponsor, Richard Lee, has built his marijuana trade school — Oaksterdam — into a small empire, with a three-story headquarters in the downtown core. Mr. Lee, a former roadie who founded Oaksterdam in 2007, says he expects the vote to be close, and influential.

“I think we’ve made the issue a lot more legitimate,” he said, adding that he suspected several others states would consider votes on legalization in 2012, including Michigan, where Oaksterdam has a satellite campus.

And while Mr. Lee’s investment has been serious — about $1.4 million — the tone of the campaign has sometimes been looser.

At campaign headquarters in Oakland last week, volunteers worked the phones and their laptops, some dressed in sweat pants and others wearing flip-flops. “Yes on 19” pickets lay about, and a collection of “Yes on 19” Frisbees hung on the wall. In the back, a “war room” had been set up, with a white board counting down the days to Nov. 2.

One volunteer, Doug Greene, said he had flown to California from Long Island because he “wanted to be part of history.”

“If it passes here, the whole map is changed,” said Mr. Greene, a legalization advocate. “And even if we don’t win, we’ve had a discussion that most didn’t think possible.”

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Let's not argue over polls. In 60 hours well have our answer. What we need to do now is make sure all of our cannabis legalization endorsing brethren and sistren make it to the polls to vote yes on 19 and hopefully vote democrat ( and I hate democrats but they are most likely to be on our side and liberterians who ID like to vote for don't show much chance of passing so I'm biting my lip hoping dems beat out all republican/teabag candidates who are DEFINATELY NOT on our side ).

Did anyone see the yes on 19 ads on tv!?!? I thought that was fucking awsome! I never thought ID live to see pro-mj campaign ads on tv. They did a great job and it's all thanks to George Soros. I know he's public enemy #1 around here for conspiracy theorists about mj, but without his money those commercials wouldn't have aired. So Mr. Soros you are the hero of the week!

 

[Anti]

I cannot see any reasonable argument for why any cannabis enthusiast would not vote yes for this... unless they were making their living as full time blackmarket growers/dealers/etc.

Those guys are going to vote no (except the few true heroes) no matter what is said. It's in their own personal self interest. I understand that.

Everyone else... this is a big step forward for you and the world. Please make time to go and vote YES. It's good for you. It's good for me. It's good for weed.

 

[trichrider]

vote yes

vote yes

"Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis"


So, in 2010, under the guise of "protection", we are to reiterate the exact concept Harry Anslinger used to outlaw the most beneficial plant unknown to man?

The battle is not about allowing anyone of age to consume pot, that already happens. The battle is about getting everyday Joes to accept that mary jane is not the evil weed that she is made to appear.
Swaying the perceptions of the unenlightened, the ignorant, the misinformed, the plethora of platitudes portraying pot as pernicious should be the goal of all.

Think about advancing the cause, not just composting cash from grow to grow.

 

[igrowone]

Did anyone see the yes on 19 ads on tv!?!? I thought that was fucking awsome! I never thought ID live to see pro-mj campaign ads on tv. They did a great job and it's all thanks to George Soros. I know he's public enemy #1 around here for conspiracy theorists about mj, but without his money those commercials wouldn't have aired. So Mr. Soros you are the hero of the week!

they showed one of them(not sure if there are more than 1) on CNN, and it was excellent
seems this ad was saved for the 11th hour, likely some polling research was in play here
the portents are good, will the world change?

 

[dagnabit]

"Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis"


So, in 2010, under the guise of "protection", we are to reiterate the exact concept Harry Anslinger used to outlaw the most beneficial plant unknown to man?

The battle is not about allowing anyone of age to consume pot, that already happens. The battle is about getting everyday Joes to accept that mary jane is not the evil weed that she is made to appear.
Swaying the perceptions of the unenlightened, the ignorant, the misinformed, the plethora of platitudes portraying pot as pernicious should be the goal of all.

how better to achieve said goal than to allow its usage and prove once and for all the negroes wont rape the white women if we do?

 

[kmk420kali]

how better to achieve said goal than to allow its usage and prove once and for all the negroes wont rape the white women if we do?

 

[JJScorpio]

The time is just about here guys and gals..... Good luck and get out there and make history.....

 

[snoopytime]

Can you imagine how many more YES votes we would get if you could vote on-screen on XBOX 360 or txt in a code from the back of a box of cinnamon toast crunch?

 

[ReelBusy1]

Good point on Brown's poll number, but comparing prop 19 to the first free election in the Phillipines? How is that at all relateable?

oh please.
that is not what I am comparing.
I am comparing the polling of sensitive issues and peoples honesty when they feel the truth puts them at risk.

 

[rick shaw]

What is sad is that some people don't vote. In some countries they have better then 95% voter participation. In Switzerland women were not allowed to vote in national elections until '71.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Can you imagine how many more YES votes we would get if you could vote on-screen on XBOX 360 or txt in a code from the back of a box of cinnamon toast crunch?

.... you know you have to be at least 18 to vote right?