ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[215forLife]

""The facts are coming out in favor of 19. The rampant speculation about "what if" could all be applicable now with or without this passing. ""

We Don't need MORE what IF'S here in California. The state is already on pretty fucking shaky ground as it is. Both literally and figuratively I guess.

It's not very prudent or wise to even take the chance of a "what if" on anything that could endanger prop 215.

That's a big problem.

I dunno weed is legal for me now on the local, state, and FEDERAL level for me. And as it stands right now that means it can be for anyone else too. I've done more than my share to help teach people how to setup legal entities for cannabis business activities. I'm sorry but we shouldn't take a risk on any thing that has a REMOTE possibility of removing or eroding prop 215 liberties.

And Dont for one second call me fucking greedy. Because I made so LITTLE last year that the federal government doesn't consider it significant enough to trigger the continuing criminal enterprise law.

 

[215forLife]

I guess I will try this one more time. I thought that there would be a bit more of a reaction the first time that I brought it up. Lot's of the people running under 215 are justifying it because of the supposed intent of the prop as defined by the bold, black statement below. They universally ignore the portion that I put in bold red font. To me, as a result of pride of position, this was the target group that the proposition was written for. The catch all phrase was meant to keep other illnesses from being excluded for seriously ill Californians, not to include every possible ailment for the entire population. And more importantly, this is what average Californian was voting for when 215 was enacted. Capitalizing on the loophole has gotten us to where we are today. It is time to take another step in broadening the acceptance of the plant, and to drive another wedge into the Fed's telling the states what they can do. Vote yes on 19.

That dude is fucking wrong. He doesn't know what he is talking about. Dennis Peron has said that 215 was written to allow as many people as possible (which is everyone that talks to a doctor for anything) access to "medical marijuana" legal protections.

Keith Stroup the founder of NORML has stated "There has yet to be born a person that doesn't qualify for California's medical marijauna..."

 

[igrowone]

wow those taxes are scary. 19 is full of sneaky shit like this...more regulations than we already have...

you did notice that this is for medical grows too? they're out to get their revenue slice whether 19 passes or not
how these taxes play out in court is another story

 

[rives]

That dude is fucking wrong. He doesn't know what he is talking about. Dennis Peron has said that 215 was written to allow as many people as possible (which is everyone that talks to a doctor for anything) access to "medical marijuana" legal protections.

Keith Stroup the founder of NORML has stated "There has yet to be born a person that doesn't qualify for California's medical marijauna..."

If by "that dude" you are referring to me, that it a direct quote from prop 215. Regardless of what anyone says, that is the wording of the law as it was voted on and enacted.

 

[JJScorpio]

I read the entire Bill twice and I see nothing stated anywhere regarding personal grows having to pay taxes.

Who started that story?

 

[215forLife]

you did notice that this is for medical grows too? they're out to get their revenue slice whether 19 passes or not
how these taxes play out in court is another story

If 19 passes it will be 100% enforceable in court. If it doesn't the city won't have a leg to stand on.

 

[kmk420kali]

I read the entire Bill twice and I see nothing stated anywhere regarding personal grows having to pay taxes.

Who started that story?

I believe this did-- http://blogs.sacbee.com/weed-wars/2...ies-measure-to-tax-marijuana-cultivators.html

 

[igrowone]

I read the entire Bill twice and I see nothing stated anywhere regarding personal grows having to pay taxes.

Who started that story?

i've seen this in more than 1 post, RC tries to put on it's own special tax, well 19 must be responsible
look at the Oakland MMJ factory permits, nothing to do with 19 but somehow they must be connected

 

[igrowone]

If 19 passes it will be 100% enforceable in court. If it doesn't the city won't have a leg to stand on.

that's quite a leap of judgement, any particulars on how that would work?
i'd be curious how 19 being voted down would have any effect on an attempted tax applied to a separate legal issue

 

[JJScorpio]

I believe this did-- http://blogs.sacbee.com/weed-wars/2...ies-measure-to-tax-marijuana-cultivators.html

There is no wording within the Bill giving Municipalities the right to tax personal growers. I'd love to talk with whoever wrote that article.

Now, on the flipside, there is authorization within the Bill that does allow them to tax Commercial growers. That's going to be up to each municipality.

 

[localhero]

jj- youre right it doesnt say you can tax personal grows, it also doesnt say you cant tax them.

 

[BigBudBill]

I think both the Oakland Warehouse grows and the RC growers tax cases are certain group positioning themselves pre-prop 19. Not to much of a risk, big pay-off.

 

[igrowone]

I think both the Oakland Warehouse grows and the RC growers tax cases are certain group positioning themselves pre-prop 19. Not to much of a risk, big pay-off.

actually, i'd agree with that
one group is a parasite(not really, they just want to get rid of grows)
the other though, i have heard has plans for renting grow chamber space to growers with no space

 

[kmk420kali]

There is no wording within the Bill giving Municipalities the right to tax personal growers. I'd love to talk with whoever wrote that article.

Now, on the flipside, there is authorization within the Bill that does allow them to tax Commercial growers. That's going to be up to each municipality.

Bro...even tho I am Yes leaning now, I have, through all of this, had serious reservations about this-- Not as many have insisted here, by Greed...but because of the Bastardization that is soon to follow-- This is a prime example--
There will be serious backlash to this...Loopholes work both ways--
I just hope, like I have said from the beginning....that this does not bite us in the ass--

 

[StoneElemental]

Even attempting to collect taxes on personal grows is a waste of resources and time. IMO I don't believe they could ever successfully carry that out. Unless of course they decide to make a general tax for everyone to grow personally which would possibly be lumped with another tax IE: sales tax, property tax, income tax etc etc... I highly doubt they would go to a measure of any kind to tax personal growers who essentially don't make a profit of some kind for growing it. The idea is ludacris and wouldn't be enforced nor allowed to go on for very long if it at all arose. I've read this bill myself several times over and tho I'm not an attourney it seems like a sound first step. People in my state would kill for an opportunity like this if it actually had a chance. Take this while you can, you can't be so arrogant to believe you're going to keep getting chances let alone better ones especially in the society we currently live in. I say to you wake up and smell the liberated bud and hemp folks!

-S.E.

 

[localhero]

also, if 19 passes we need to put up a better prop quick before the courts get a chance to fuck with 19 too badly. that would be the best of all worlds, 19 passes and we keep public opinion on our side, then we pass an all encompassing prop that eliminates 19.

i have a great idea to keep out those massive agribusiness vultures too. hows this, in the new prop we state that cultivation becomes completely legal for up to 1 acre per parcel. done deal. every tom dick and harry from sd to yreka will be able to get in the game legally. plenty of price drop. no exclusionary local "guidelines" aimed at eliminating competition. and no monsanto

 

[igrowone]

Even attempting to collect taxes on personal grows is a waste of resources and time. IMO I don't believe they could ever successfully carry that out. Unless of course they decide to make a general tax for everyone to grow personally which would possibly be lumped with another tax IE: sales tax, property tax, income tax etc etc...

they are being very edgy in what they think they can do with municipal taxes
they aren't trying to tax the grow, they're trying to assess extra taxes for increased police/fire/emergency services, because obviously any grow is a disaster in progress
there are strong limits on municipalities abilities to 'make up' taxes
but this will go on for a while, as long as there is chance of actually getting some money

 

[StoneElemental]

Not to demean or combat you. However they would just then raise the commercial tax for 1+ acre even steeper. Not saying it's a totally bad idea but the tax needs to be based on a per square yard or square acre basis to be fairly taxed. A whole chain of subsidaries could own 1 acre each and provide for a larger company tax free. Or said company could be large enough to where the current commercial tax from the prop is chump change.

-S.E.

also, if 19 passes we need to put up a better prop quick before the courts get a chance to fuck with 19 too badly. that would be the best of all worlds, 19 passes and we keep public opinion on our side, then we pass an all encompassing prop that eliminates 19.

i have a great idea to keep out those massive agribusiness vultures too. hows this, in the new prop we state that cultivation becomes completely legal for up to 1 acre per parcel. done deal. every tom dick and harry from sd to yreka will be able to get in the game legally. plenty of price drop. no exclusionary local "guidelines" aimed at eliminating competition. and no monsanto

 

[StoneElemental]

Point taken but I was attempting to help erase any fear or ill notions over it. Also municipalities aren't going to tax what you grow in your house unless you're trying to distribute or sell it, the idea that they would is reasonable but for the idea of them getting away with it is severe paranoia.

-S.E.

they are being very edgy in what they think they can do with municipal taxes
they aren't trying to tax the grow, they're trying to assess extra taxes for increased police/fire/emergency services, because obviously any grow is a disaster in progress
there are strong limits on municipalities abilities to 'make up' taxes
but this will go on for a while, as long as there is chance of actually getting some money

 

[Yes4Prop215]

they probably wont be searching around for collecting taxes on grows...not like they are gonna hire IRS agents to come measure your grows and collect taxes. but when they raid you they are gonna ask.."so were you paying taxes on this" and then BOOM they hit you with a tax evasion charge on top of felony cultivation.