I would smoke GMO marijuana

[NserUame]

I would like to point out that while they don't care about our health they do care that the public is quick to jump the lawsuite gun and I think that is on our side. Unfortunately, many have to get sick and/or die before lawsuites make a difference.

J.

Lawsuits rarely make a difference, especially if the illness isn't immediate. The average lawsuit is something like 10% of their annual profit, 10% off of ONE years work. That's nothing when they're pulling in millions of dollars.

Look at big tobbacco? How many times have they been sued? Yet they still rake in the dough.

Clearly not all companies are as blood thirsty as I make them out to be. However the ones that make it and are on the top WILL do whatever it takes to stay in that position, guarantee it.

 

[Δ9-THC]

Please keep this fact in mind: Many GMO's, and much scientific discovery in general, are not made nor discovered by large 'blood thirsty' bio-tech companies. Many are produced at accredited universities! I think most of us should be well convinced that Universities are in it for the forwarding of science, NOT for the money. That being said, the forefront of science is rarely successful on the first try. While rats dying from eating a GMO plant is dettering, I would not use that as a scapegoat for all GMO's, it's not well representative.

It's very easy to consider everything as a political, economic, legal or governmental tact, while this may not be the case. There are thousands of scientists out there that are trying to solve world problems, not get rich. These are the ones who win nobel prizes, because their work truly is ground breaking and incredible.

NserUame: Yup, bio-tech companies (huge generalization here, but more specifically those working with GMO's) who desire a huge profit will strive to make a miracle GMO, but simple rules of economics will tell you that in order for that company to sustain profits, their product must be well accepted in the view of the public. I doubt people would buy a product for long that is ill-perceived, or ends up having long term effects.
Oh, and also.. I vow not to do any flaming on any of my threads.. say whatever you feel. I could not feel more strongly about having people think for themselves.

I'll give you this analogy: Pesticides are now fairly common place in our society, and have become so over the past ~100years, perhaps less. They're regulated by the FDA (mainly), and must pass toxicity, environmental and other standards before anyone can buy a product treated with them. While I'm not old enough to have witnessed such, I'm willing to bet that the general public was rather skeptical of the use of pesticides at first. It is my personal opinion that pesticides are a HUGE step forward in agriculture (when used properly), and pose extremely minimal thread to consumers. I would say my life is compromised more significantly by getting an x-ray at the doctors or flying on an airplane (gamma rays), than by eating salad with pesticide residues.

Why is this a good comparison?? People are aware of the ill effects of pesticides gone wrong (e.g DDT + raptors). I think this puts people in a better position to foresee problems we might encounter with GMO's, and to better ensure that they are regulated, tested rigorously, and scientifically sound before they are consumed.

While it may sound selfish for a company to produce a miracle GMO, I think that's economics... it sounds odd.. but selfishness is what makes the world go 'round. If you weren't greedy for money, knowing that it has some inherent power, you wouldn't bother working for it. Conversely, when you make money.. you don't give it away, you use it wisely (I hope).

Perhaps we should be concerned about cloning... after all... lots of us are showing off our clones here on the forums.. and I'm just not sure how I feel about this!!! haha, juss jokin'

and.. just because it's cool, here's an SEM micrograph of tobacco trichomes:

 

[thc43]

is selective breeding GM? I would have thought any human intervention would produce Geneticly modded... If so we are all smoking GM buds and eating GM fruit veg..


Do big companys like monsato get involved in weed breading or seed/ clone banking now that weed is legal in some states of the US.??

 

[Guest]

thc43,
selective breeding creates hybrid vigor - this was discussed in the previous posts. This is not gene modification.

Marijuana is not legal anywhere in the U.S. A few states have decriminalized less than an ounce but it remains a Federal crime everywhere. Med users are prone to bust just as everyone else under Federal Law.

J.

 

[Δ9-THC]

Monsanto is mainly interested in the pharmacuetical and agricultural chemical sectors, not so much genetic engineering.

 

[Guest]

I pose this question: If a GM is a botanical extract/concentrate, does being "organic" make it ok? Personally, I'm not sure!

J.

 

[Δ9-THC]

Are you asking.. if we make an 'organic' extract from a GM plant, is that okay?

Time to bust out my thinking bong.. .err.. cap***

 

[Guest]

No, I mean like in the case of Colchicine; it is natural occuring in the bulb of the Autumn Crocus. It's not a manmade or engineered chemical but rather can be made from home extraction with safety equipment.

J.

 

[Δ9-THC]

Ahh.. I see.. ya, sorry. I agree, just because it comes from a plant doesn't legitimize its use as a mutagen.

 

[The End Is Near]

Delta 9, good point on the scientists. Unfortunately, no matter how good their intentions, at least one process (maybe all of them, IDK, have to look it up) of making GMOs is copyrighted. It's the one with modified viruses (I think e. coli) inserting a foreign gene. So even when the scientists are warning their "superiors" of potential dangers, the "incomplete project" is released for human consumption, or if even the GM companies can see that it's potentially dangerous, for livestock consumption.

The worst thing about this whole thing is that food companies aren't required to label their products as genetically modified, so every time we (including me, unfortunately) go get groceries, we're contributing to their goal of a monopoly on food (at least in the US). Sure, we can read labels and buy organic and from farmer's markets, but there's already such a stanglehold on the food market that their growth can only be slowed down.

Maybe I am getting a little too political, etc in a thread about smoking weed, but I think it's deeply depressing and enraging that here we have a huge company that is more damaging to US freedom than all the terrorists put together, and their practices are being silenced as well as sponsered by politicians.

Fuck it, I need a bong hit. On a related note, for you downloaders and documentary lovers, The Future of Food is a good documentary on the subject.

But back to the topic at hand, I'd rather smoke gasoline soaked mexibrick than High Times centerfold-worthy GM weed considering the unknown side effects and foreign genes.

 

[med_breeder]

If GMO Marijuana ever becomes availible, most likely it will be produced by a company like Monsanto. That being said, the weed would have terminator technology embeded in it. Every season you would have to buy new seeds from them. The pollen would effect the regular weed, causing it to become terminal.
I think regular breeding is ok with me.

peace

 

[Guest]

yeah weed today isn't gm it's ge. most of it is shit though so i can't see gm being any better apart from yields.

 

[asa42]

hell no i dont wanna smoke gmo herb! dont fix what aint broke!

in these times when new products emerge (am thinking mostly of pills, but aply else where) then some time later the product is deemed dangerous to our health... isnt it nice the public has become the ginne pig (sp?)...

i dont want anything to do w/ gmo in any plant.

 

[Orangecrush]

We were actually talking about this in my Soci class last semester. Many farmers in places like India or Pakistan are turning to growing drug crops because they have gone bankrupt from these GMO seeds. They buy them with the hopes of being able to produce a larger quantity and then they end up getting little to no harvest.

I've heard stories of military or law enforcement officials being shot at by farmers when they come near their drug crops because it is really the only thing they have left. Even though they know it may be frowned up, it is the only way that they can get by.

 

[D0nC0smic]

Monsanto does produce GMO seeds, they produce seeds that are immune to roundup, so farmers can then drench their feilds with the stuff to kill any weeds, polluting the hell out of everything and ensuring monsanto that the farmes will be buying large quantities of both the pesticide and the seeds every year.

 

[Connoisseur]

It amazes me how frightened most of you seem to be of anything G.M.O. related. To hell with increasing the efficiency and output of those organisms which we eat to survive!

The better majority of G.M.O. fears are about as unfounded as a fifties sci-fi film.

Also, orangecrush, if you've ever taken a botany or enviro-sci class, you'd know that even with modified genetics, G.M.O. plants that produce a bigger harvest still need more nutrients and water (bigger plants obviously consume more) ... the same failures that you mention in India also occured throughout Central America in the eighties and nineties, because the farmers ignorantly pinned all of their hopes on the seed and did not water or feed the plant any more than usual.

I'm happily looking forward to 40% THC content in bud.

 

[_angst_]

It already is. How do u think you get IBLs? Blueberry, White Widow, it's all forced out traits.

 

[Guest]

already do. all of these hybrids are gentically modified by breeding. for example haze which is a pure sativa and takes approx 14 - 16 weeks to finish, crossed with something like northern lights five which is almost pure indica if not pure indica, ( i have heard some tales that nl5 had skunk in the cross but cant confirm or deny it myself) takes like 6 to 8 weeks to finish. and you get a strain with improved potency, shorter flowering time, and improved yield as well as shortening up those tall lanky haze beasts. just my rambling $.02 or tuppance if you will.

peace -fb

lol if that makes it genetically modified then every living thing on the planet is genetically modified. that's not genetic modification that's called breeding

and yes i would smoke it but only if there was a lot of testing to be done to make sure it's safe

 

[Guest]

i think gmo is probably a bad thing. it's basically people trying to play god, and usually when we try to **** with nature that much the result isn't good. the only way it would be really safe is if we knew exactly what every single gene in the plant was and exactly what each gene does and exactly how they are expressed. DNA is complicated stuff and i know that people have learned a hell of a lot about it but we definitely don't know EXACTLY how it works. the HGP just recently "mapped" all the genes in the human body and that took years, they definitely don't know what every single gene does yet. if that ever happens it will be many many years from now.

 

[Tommy G]

Hi!

I would smoke it unless it was genetically modified to solve my health issues and it was effective.

Otherwise, if I can grow my own, why should I have to smoke something GMO?

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