I want to move to California thread!

[stink.whistler]

Cultivating in one of the Emerald Triangle Counties has been drawn back to 6 legal flowering plants..... 7 constitutes a felony. People are getting busted of late. Medical growers.

The California NORML page says regarding Humbolt:

County guidelines allow patients 100 square feet and 3 lbs w/ no plant number limit. Cities of Eureka and Fortuna PDs and CHP enforce SB 420 limits (6 mature/12 immature plants, 1/2 lb).



Is that not true anymore? Cities other than Eurika and Fortuna are prosecuting for more than 6 adult plants?

 

[de Toke-ville]

The coastal region (inland to +-30 kilometers) of California is arguably the greatest piece of real estate on Earth. But it is increasingly difficult to do business and raise a family there.

For example, if you want to send kids to public school, you will have to move to an area where starter houses are still at least $400k. Otherwise it's a minimum of 12k/year/student for a reasonable catholic school. As much as double that other private schools.

If you're single and don't mind living a half-step above college student, $50k will JUST get you by. Think about it: $1300 for a crappy apt in santa rosa? It's a nice enough place, but it is probably NOT the Cali you been dreamin' of. Hell, is anyplace in florida more than a 15 min drive from an area where you can rent a nice house for that?

I just recently moved outta cali after living there my whole life, the last 12 in the Hollywood/Studio City/Burbank area. I love it there. But I moved because it became impossible to make a living, or at least as much of one as you need to have a certain standard of living.

Taxes, unemployment and hostility to business are rising sharply in cali right now. it is bleeding people like a gunshot victum, a trend that had already been in place since the mid-90s but is now accelerating. Even undocumented workers are returning to Mexico because it will be easier to find employment!

I love cali. But i would only move back if I had all my financial ducks in a row, and then also had a solid plan B.

-dTv

 

[NorCalKind]

The coastal region (inland to +-30 kilometers) of California is arguably the greatest piece of real estate on Earth. But it is increasingly difficult to do business and raise a family there.

For example, if you want to send kids to public school, you will have to move to an area where starter houses are still at least $400k. Otherwise it's a minimum of 12k/year/student for a reasonable catholic school. As much as double that other private schools.

If you're single and don't mind living a half-step above college student, $50k will JUST get you by. Think about it: $1300 for a crappy apt in santa rosa? It's a nice enough place, but it is probably NOT the Cali you been dreamin' of. Hell, is anyplace in florida more than a 15 min drive from an area where you can rent a nice house for that?

I just recently moved outta cali after living there my whole life, the last 12 in the Hollywood/Studio City/Burbank area. I love it there. But I moved because it became impossible to make a living, or at least as much of one as you need to have a certain standard of living.

Taxes, unemployment and hostility to business are rising sharply in cali right now. it is bleeding people like a gunshot victum, a trend that had already been in place since the mid-90s but is now accelerating. Even undocumented workers are returning to Mexico because it will be easier to find employment!

I love cali. But i would only move back if I had all my financial ducks in a row, and then also had a solid plan B.

-dTv

This is an incorrect statement if you are talking about Cali as whole. Where you live might be expensive as hell still (Hollywood/Studio City/Burbank) come on now, L.A. is one of the most expensive places to live in Cali. As horrible as the economy is doing right now, there are 1,000's of foreclosed homes for sale in the northern valley going for as little as $100,000 as well as many other places. You can easily live off $50k a year, you just have to try and look.

 

[de Toke-ville]

$100,000? really? What area exactly. I have been gone for about 16 months, wow. I was talking about a house in district where you would want your kids in pub school, surely that is NOT Sylmar or San Fernando or Lakeview terrace or anywhere like that.

If you're single, sure you can do it. But being a single, non-spanish-speaking, young dude with a house in one of those places? Possible, but I wouldn't. On the otherhand, if you are a spanish-speaking latino, there are a lot of hot chicks in those bialacerias.

-dTv

 

[brendon420]

california is as bad as everyone says! thats why we have the largest population!!!

 

[Pirate]

The California NORML page says regarding Humbolt:

County guidelines allow patients 100 square feet and 3 lbs w/ no plant number limit. Cities of Eureka and Fortuna PDs and CHP enforce SB 420 limits (6 mature/12 immature plants, 1/2 lb).

Is that not true anymore? Cities other than Eurika and Fortuna are prosecuting for more than 6 adult plants?

That has been repealed to try and curb the influx of people wanting to grow. It started as a concession to local medical growers but quickly got abused (as everything good does) by out of towners coming in and setting up mega grows, trashing houses and ruining neighborhoods. I believe they had to cut it back to 6 & 6 late last year.

Instead of working to change the laws where one lives..........some growers and smokers want a free ride on the backs of those that made it all possible and thereby destroying all the small gains won by a hard fought war.

If somone wants to come to cali for a job and and a new life.........Comon out. But it sounds like the thread starter is just coming to be able to grow and smoke in peace. Well.........there will be no peace about it (trust me)............and you'd be moving for the wrong reasons.

That is exactly why we struggle to keep the laws we have now.

California is full.
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[Bill O'Reilly]

Did you know that:

Cultivating in one of the Emerald Triangle Counties has been drawn back to 6 legal flowering plants..... 7 constitutes a felony. People are getting busted of late. Medical growers.

Trying to keep it real for all of you who are considering calling your landlord to give notice....

CA landlords are not fooled anymore. 99.9% arenot amenable to growing in their rentals. If you buy your own house (Amazingly expensive, even with the lower Real Estate Prices of late), it is possible, I suppose. Don;t piss off your Redneck neighbors at all, though, because one complaint is NOW enough to get a visit.

This is the real story. Thanks go out to the Oldsters of this boondocks county...Also to the TV program, Marijuana, Inc. for this enviornment increasingly hostile to growers..

Real estate in California was a victim to the locust-like speculators that artificially drove up land values, second only to Florida in my opinion. Home prices still have a long way to fall in Cali, if you bought one now you would only be acquiring a depreciating asset. Although, the federal government is doing everything they can to keep prices from falling like rewriting mortgages, subsidizing lenders, buying equity in the bank sector they can't simply manhandle the market.

All of this is eerily similar to the things the feds did prior to the Great Depression, where they gave farmers money to NOT plant food, and also paid for the destruction of 7 million perfectly functional livestock in an effort to prop up food prices. The resulting market imbalances contributed to the worsening of the situation. Again, all the money used to fund these efforts was public money. This is wealth that is violently(meaning if you don't pay you are jailed) taken away from you and I. So when they destroyed a cow, not only did they waste the value of the animal but also removed valuable money from productive members of the private sector. This made the problem exponentially worse.

So how do we apply this to California? Just looking at some of the facts, we have never had as many vacant homes as we do now yet we now see the re-emergence of homeless tentvilles or as they'll soon be known Bushvilles. Home prices must come crashing down in America, in fact it is the solution to the problem unfortunately people who are overextended in the wrong market will get burned. Maybe California isn't the paradise some claim it to be. Imagine if Maine had the same type of government regulations that California employs. Nobody would live there. If it weren't for the nice weather, and majestic landscape Cali would be a ghost town. The government is sapping the life from it, damn you PELOSI!!!

On, the Marijuana Inc. documentary I thought that the reporter seemed to try to give both sides their even say, I felt even to the advantage of the tokers. I felt that she may have been previously naive to pot culture, she looked REALLY uncomfortable in the dispensaries, and at some of those massive grow sites. When she grabbed the bud to squeeze it I bet she thought she was going to get mondo stoned just from touching it.

But as all networks tend to do, it came off as sensationalist at times. At least we're past the point of Reefer Madness.

I wonder how the ending of federal raids on dispensaries will continue to shape pot policy in Cali? Has anyone heard of any public opinion polls on the outcome of the Pot Legalization bill in California?

 

[stasis]

I did not name the county in my post for a reason.... It is foolish to get too specific about where one is "local."

Humboldt is not in a good political climate either for growing.... In fact, NorCal in general is not so much fun to grow in anymore....

One complaint - due to noise of fans, or smell of plants, is enough to get a visit.... And "Caregiver" status is not recognized anymore - unless one truly houses a person, and takes care of them, literally... So no plastering your wall with others' prescriptions as the excuse for the extra plants (over 6). Many busts here, and the LEO's get frothy when they see a "Wall of Recommendations" that many think will spare them prosecution.

In a recent case, during a bust that featured many, many recommendations posted on a grow room wall, the Pigs followed up the bust with an investigation into each and every one of the "patients." A search of ALL of their homes... Many of these people were also growing and were busted/shut down. This, in one of the Emerald Triangle Counties....

Law Enforcement is waiting for the results of the Kelly case. If it is not favorable, it will be a trying summer for all the ol' skoolers..

This is how it is, right now.... With no improvement in sight

Regarding Marijuana Inc., The emphasis on what the LEO's and Councilman Wattenberger had to sahy DEFO shifted this program to a feeling of being "Aghast" at what goes on. I did not find it pro-pot in any way. Except when our lovely host was hanging out with the grower on his farm. She was pretty aroused, it was obvious... When in front of Wattenberger, she acted appaled by all the pot...... But, it did get some discussions going....

The Central Valley is not pretty. The Vibe poor. Very little culture. Racial tension, Lotsa crime, foreclosures, and more to come. The summers are blistering, so get your larfy buds going, and prepare to use massive amounts of electricity for the Air Conditioners....

Michigan huh....? Seems like the authorities do not know which way-is-up, at thie juncture in time.. Some growing pains (pardon the pun) for the movement are in order there. Inevitable incarcerations by LEO's are prob in the works, until the boundaries are set..... Tempting, though. Upper Michigan is breathtaking...

 

[hippie_lettuce]

california is as bad as everyone says! thats why we have the largest population!!!

is this sarcasm? hard to detect it through my computer screen, y'know?
also, i know that there are a lot of people in california, but i wouldn't necessarily call the whole state "overcrowded." There is plenty of land outside of the bigger cities, but no one wants to venture forth there. there are miles and miles and MILES of empty space, but I don't think that just because there is empty space, it's time to build cardboard boxes.
imo, california is like a smaller version of the US. As there is an "American dream," there is also a "California dream." But, there's no way that you can live in California, or really anywhere, without knowing that you have to work hard.

people seem to like going places for all the wrong reasons. if you recognize that all good comes with the bad, then you'll make it out there. if you're expecting stuff to be handed on a silver platter, then you're easily mistaken. i would love to go back once i finish school, even if the recession there is bad. there were many millionaires made during the great depression..if you have that entrepreneurial spirit, you'll make it!

interesting article: http://www.paypalkunaki.com/art2/242532-the-great-depression-.php

 

[FreedomFGHTR]

Humboldt is not in a good political climate either for growing.... In fact, NorCal in general is not so much fun to grow in anymore....

Sad but true

One complaint - due to noise of fans, or smell of plants, is enough to get a visit.... And "Caregiver" status is not recognized anymore - unless one truly houses a person, and takes care of them, literally... So no plastering your wall with others' prescriptions as the excuse for the extra plants (over 6). Many busts here, and the LEO's get frothy when they see a "Wall of Recommendations" that many think will spare them prosecution.

In a recent case, during a bust that featured many, many recommendations posted on a grow room wall, the Pigs followed up the bust with an investigation into each and every one of the "patients." A search of ALL of their homes... Many of these people were also growing and were busted/shut down. This, in one of the Emerald Triangle Counties....

Law Enforcement is waiting for the results of the Kelly case. If it is not favorable, it will be a trying summer for all the ol' skoolers..

As far as having a "wall of recommendations", collectives are recognized under state law, having a collective that won't get fucked with in regards to growing though is a crap shoot in a lot of areas. And yeah as mentioned earlier if other people who rec's you are using to grow above the "limits" they better not be growing too. With the Kelly case under review by state supreme court if you aren't growing right now, you are probably too late. Kelly was allready depublished mean it no longer holds any weight as presidence. The good news is that the Phomkady case is still published, but that could get rendered moot if the Kelly decision is unfavorable to us.

Regarding Marijuana Inc., The emphasis on what the LEO's and Councilman Wattenberger had to sahy DEFO shifted this program to a feeling of being "Aghast" at what goes on. I did not find it pro-pot in any way. Except when our lovely host was hanging out with the grower on his farm. She was pretty aroused, it was obvious... When in front of Wattenberger, she acted appaled by all the pot...... But, it did get some discussions going....

Actually I have to disagree. I think marijuana inc. might have helped some people realize that this isn't going away, and they are fighting a losing war. Plus when they had the owner of Bluesky saying how much he paid in taxes it did show how the PUBLIC can benefit from this. I have shown it to a few non smokers (people in the liqour biz actually) and that was a critical moment in changing their minds. Funny though how he didn't want to say how much money he grosses, not hard to figure out though with the tax figures.

The Central Valley is not pretty. The Vibe poor. Very little culture. Racial tension, Lotsa crime, foreclosures, and more to come. The summers are blistering, so get your larfy buds going, and prepare to use massive amounts of electricity for the Air Conditioners....

True, the racial tension is higher here than any other place I have been.


to the OP if you are just going to grow your 12-6 then the most of the issues brought up won't matter. However the job market sucks out here. If you have a stable job where you live now, then stay. Even bartenders are starting to lose their jobs.

Someone mentioned Elk Grove... stay the fuck away from there. Bad place to be growing weed after the last few years which have had dozens of grows busted and sensationalized by the local media. Sacramento itself is ok in terms of LEO. If you really want to move out here I would reccomend Davis or Woodland. They are kinda crappy towns, but I have an aquiantence who is a yolo county sherriffs deputy and his quote about medical marijuana is that they don't bother at all with medical people.