I think I want to go organic

[Earlmarne]

I have a 11 by 7 flower room with 2630 watts of light. Been running 4 ppk sites with success.
I have a 7 by 10 veg that i run small plants in under floro lights. Kept in coco and generally abused.
I love how my plants react to worm casting teas and such. Also notice plants I put in the ground outside get the best smells to em.
I have been reading some on knf. I love the idea setting up 4 20 gallon smart pots in flower. Maybe go perpetual with planting one container at a time. Feeding teas and knf inputs sounds amazing to me.
I just need some guidance on building a soil to start. Container size to maintain a healthy living soil. Veg strategy.
Are 20 gallons big enough? Where do I go to learn more of my knf inputs? Looks like I could fit 4 45 gallon containers in my flower room
Any help would be much appreciated.

 

[troutman]

Do it and don't look back.

 

[Prodigygrower]

DO IT!! made the switch my self from coco and I’m living it. Water only Fotia and trophaze bx5 7 1/2 weeks

 

[Mr. J]

Start a worm bin if you haven't already.

 

[h.h.]

The biggest container you can manage.
In 12 gallons, I can move them.
In 4’ x 2’ bins, they get big.

Folks give me a lot of shit. I use it.
Half my mix is horse shit, llama shit, with mixed in cardboard and spent grain. Cheap, cheap.
The other half is well amended recycled soil. So much for cheap. It’s paid for itself though.
Fish meal, soy meal, kelp, azomite, ewc, neem/karanji.
Predigested through yeast,lacto fermentation’s.
Lots of high CEC material. Pumice, zeolite, char. PittMo$$.

Topped with oatmeal chia and amendments. Fermented yucca blossom.


Espoma organic fertilizer.

 

[GOT_BUD?]

I have a 11 by 7 flower room with 2630 watts of light. Been running 4 ppk sites with success.
I have a 7 by 10 veg that i run small plants in under floro lights. Kept in coco and generally abused.
I love how my plants react to worm casting teas and such. Also notice plants I put in the ground outside get the best smells to em.
I have been reading some on knf. I love the idea setting up 4 20 gallon smart pots in flower. Maybe go perpetual with planting one container at a time. Feeding teas and knf inputs sounds amazing to me.
I just need some guidance on building a soil to start. Container size to maintain a healthy living soil. Veg strategy.
Are 20 gallons big enough? Where do I go to learn more of my knf inputs? Looks like I could fit 4 45 gallon containers in my flower room
Any help would be much appreciated.

IMO, bigger is better when it comes to pots. Especially in a living soil, no till situation. Just make sure you have a way to get to all 4 sides so you can clean them up.

4 45 gallon pots will roughly be 2 yards of soil, which is what I have in my 8 25 gallon pots. There's roughly 5-6 inches of space on top so you can keep top dressing amendments and not overflow the thing too quickly.

The person you want to learn KNF from is Chris Trump. He is the man when it comes to KNF in the states.

Here is his Youtube channel.

 

[St. Phatty]

Just get a BIG pot, e.g. a 32 gallon garbage can.

Drill holes in the bottom for drainage. Then cover the bottom with a few inches of oak leaves or something, so your soil doesn't wash out the bottom.

Then a mixture of soil and - maybe - half-digested compost. The gunky stuff that used to be banana peels & orange peels.

Then more soil. Then water - and redworms.

Of course there's other ingredients, like specific sources of NP & K.

 

[tzorge]

I ve developed a habit of collecting earthworms after rain and adding them to my large pots.

I feel like I'm saving them from death and transporting them to worm paradise.

Peace

 

[Earlmarne]

Started shopping, going to run my ppks one last round.
Will put together a good base from one of the stickies and let it cook.
Getting stuff to build a worm bin here in the next week

 

[St. Phatty]

I ve developed a habit of collecting earthworms after rain and adding them to my large pots.

I feel like I'm saving them from death and transporting them to worm paradise.

Peace

I'm getting more religious about doing anything that causes an animal pain & suffering.

Had a cleaning crew over yesterday to start cleaning up my house after a year of being laid up with a jaw infection.

I had already removed most of the spiders from the bathroom we started with.

We found one half-grown black widow, and a baby daddy long legs, while they were cleaning. I moved both of them outside, un-squished.

Had a pile of cardboard I took to the recycling center.

The problem living in the country ... a pile of cardboard = animal habitat.

I took the pile apart piece by piece to put the pieces in the crushing machine.

Found one lizard & saved it. Also removed a few pieces that were covered with bugs, and took them home too.

Now I'm realizing that eating clams involves boiling them alive. No thanks.

 

[h.h.]

Started shopping, going to run my ppks one last round.
Will put together a good base from one of the stickies and let it cook.
Getting stuff to build a worm bin here in the next week

Look around your yard and take inventory.
You may find most of what you need.

 

[Earlmarne]

Look around your yard and take inventory.
You may find most of what you need.

Heck yeah. I got a good bit of what I need herr

 

[tzorge]

Look around your yard and take inventory.
You may find most of what you need.

This sort of thinking is why i've joined this forum.

enough with magic ingredients.

 

[Drewsif]

You need to pick a manure and stick with it,learn it to succeed. A cows stomachs is vastly different than a chickens butt. Most organo growers fail because they can't recall a single strain of microbe off the top of their head, (thanks to a disdain for education in the Cannabis scene) , and invision them all the same. I always ask growers what they think this bacteria is producing when they feed it a bunch of molasses. The answers are astoundingly in step with baloney marketing for what I had always wrongly assumed were open-minded individuals (talking all the frauds in Cali who don't even know what a flavanoid is)

Its real easy to find out what microbes you need, but Cannabis growers just aren't interested in education, or there'd be a subforum for it lol. It's ALL about the microbes. You dont even need amendments when you get your soil in Natural Working Order Tek (just coined natural fertile living dirt tek) .

 

[TheGREYMAN]

The Post above, touched on my question. I may be on property next year with several horses. What is the N-P-K value of a typical sq yard of Horse manure? Does it start out as hot as say fresh bovine manure ?


Can Horse manure be a suitable foundation for a strong Organic regime ?

 

[h.h.]

Horse manure isn’t necessarily hot. Not like some.
It’s mostly hay with a small amount of alfalfa. Range grass. It goes straight through a horse.
Main problem is it gets hard as it dries.
I side dress my trees with it.

I bet they have some old piles.

I have a bunch in my soil now.

 

[TheGREYMAN]

Horse manure isn’t necessarily hot. Not like some.
It’s mostly hay with a small amount of alfalfa. Range grass. It goes straight through a horse.
Main problem is it gets hard as it dries.
I side dress my trees with it.

I bet they have some old piles.

I have a bunch in my soil now.

Thanks, for the hardness issue, would it be a good idea to add to compost Pile for several months to a year, then add as soft organic compost?

 

[h.h.]

Composting is good of course.
I had a friend used to,put several inches over his raised beds at the end of the season. He would cover it with black plastic to bring the worms up.
Mainly it has waxy water resistant compounds that need to be broken down or washed out. These same compounds will cause it to stick together like road apples. Cutting it with other material helps greatly.
I don’t want to say that it’s a lot like peat but it’s a lot like peat.~

Half of my present mix is roughly 2 parts horse, 1 part horse compost. 2 parts llama, 2 parts cardboard, 0.5 parts spent grain, 1 part other.
Lost my notes. Can’t say exactly. It’ll change next time I repeat it.



Horse manure compost

Aged.

 

[Lapides]

I definitely wouldn't do it.


Don't listen to these clowns.


Don't you know they work for Big Organic and Big Worm??


Stick to chems, way cleaner.

 

[GOT_BUD?]

I definitely wouldn't do it.


Don't listen to these clowns.


Don't you know they work for Big Organic and Big Worm??


Stick to chems, way cleaner.