I no longer believe Broad Mites cause DUDDING

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Any updates on this thread? It really seemed like there was some progress being made, then it went silent.

 

[Bird of Hermes]

From my own recent experience broad mites do cause dudding and if some people's plants don't get it that just means they got the infestation knocked down before they had a chance to feed much. That and their plants were in tip top shape and were able to fight the toxins off with their immune systems. But no matter their health I'd bet a rampant unchecked infestation would eventually overpower the plants immune system as the amount of toxins from the broad mites saliva built up.

 

[vulcanofilo]

fron spain

fron spain

It,s a virus , come from anothers vegetables like tabaco, tomato, ...have too much sintomas and have confusion .

Too much people have it for meny years and dont now.

 

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Erhemm...oops

Double post

...but here is this:

https://www.apsnet.org/publications/apsnetfeatures/Pages/Viroids.aspx

I can put sap from dud branch onto a wound on tomato to see what it does......though I'm not sure I have anything which is classic duding. If its root rot, I doubt I will see further development.

Hop stunt viroid (HSVd)

In fact, of 200 hop clones tested from the USDA-ARS National Clonal Germplasm Repository (NCGR; Corvallis, OR), 98 entries tested positive for one or more viruses, 50% of which tested positive for AHLV infection and 29% tested positive for ApMV infection, the two viruses that tested positive in the NMSU-ASC Farmington experimental plots (Postman et al., 2005). The USDA-ARS NCGR has since eliminated viruses from most of their Humulus collection through tissue culture methods (Postman et al., 2005).

I was in that lab during the start of the tissue culture program. Did greenhouse maintenance for them.

Also, I've scouted a few dozen hops yards at least 10 times. There are what you could call dud vines on the mound where a vine looks weak with very short nodes and extra branching...sometimes the dud vines are free of disease or insect for the most part.
I've seen at least half a dozen of virus like symptoms out in the fields...nothing gets away from spray too..ever

See the Sterling hop leaf. I know a field with that virus..its most of the field. The grower didn't care and said it does nothing even tough the vines look crappy.

This is something about the PNW and pot growers...the hops industry has established an enormous pool of disease.. PM anywhere around hops is atrocious unless you get a good microclimate and a resistant cultivar. We found PM in Nugget 2 years back. Nugget was grown for decade or better with 0 PM ever. I was in the field with the first documented case of PM on Nugget ever in history.

It may not be coincidental that hops get a stunt viriod. It shortens vines, causes branching/branch dieback, weakens plants, lowers flower weight, lowers essence output, causes lifecycle changes, and has a highly differential expression rate...finally it has low persistence in soil and is sporadically transmitted

Bongstar420 was 3 years ahead of the game.

https://darkheartnursery.com/news/hop-latent-viroid/

 

[Lyfespan]

Bongstar420 was 3 years ahead of the game.

https://darkheartnursery.com/news/hop-latent-viroid/

nice find

 

[PDX Dopesmoker]

Bongstar420 was 3 years ahead of the game.

https://darkheartnursery.com/news/hop-latent-viroid/

The "patent pending clean plant process" in that article sounds like its gonna be expensive.

 

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The "patent pending clean plant process" in that article sounds like its gonna be expensive.

It's more or less the same in vitro cold therapy that they're using on the viroid in other ag industries (hops, fruit, etc.)

 

[Lyfespan]

It's more or less the same in vitro cold therapy that they're using on the viroid in other ag industries (hops, fruit, etc.)

tissue cultures?

 

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tissue cultures?

Yup, in vitro is always tissue culture in the plant world as far as I know.

In hops they TC the cultivar and then treat it with cryotherapy before re-instigating.

 

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Low Temperature Treatment Affects Concentration and Distribution of Chrysanthemum Stunt Viroid in Argyranthemum

Chrysanthemum stunt viroid (CSVd) can infect Argyranthemum and cause serious economic loss. Low temperature treatment combined with meristem culture has been applied to eradicate viroids from their hosts, but without success in eliminating CSVd from diseased Argyranthemum. The objectives of this work were to investigate (1) the effect of low temperature treatment combined with meristem culture on elimination of CSVd, (2) the effect of low temperature treatment on CSVd distribution pattern in shoot apical meristem (SAM), and (3) CSVd distribution in flowers and stems of two infected Argyranthemum cultivars. After treatment with low temperature combined with meristem tip culture, two CSVd-free plants were found in ‘Border Dark Red’, but none in ‘Yellow Empire’. With the help of in situ hybridization, we found that CSVd distribution patterns in the SAM showed no changes in diseased ‘Yellow Empire’ following 5°C treatment, compared with non-treated plants. However, the CSVd-free area in SAM was enlarged in diseased ‘Border Dark Red’ following prolonged 5°C treatment. Localization of CSVd in the flowers and stems of infected ‘Border Dark Red’ and ‘Yellow Empire’ indicated that seeds could not transmit CSVd in these two cultivars, and CSVd existed in phloem. Results obtained in the study contributed to better understanding of the distribution of CSVd in systemically infected plants and the combination of low temperature treatment and meristem tip culture for production of viroid-free plants.

 

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I noticed there wasn't a thread for the Hop Viroid problem so I started one over yonder:

Hop Stunt Viroid in Cannabis
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=361640

 

[Weird]

fwiw I had duding a couple plants in my los in spring of 15 and was able to solve the problem without ditching my soil by using deductive reasoning to narrow it down to pathogens and using microbiology to remediate my LOS soil and keep on trucking without having to ditch my soil


ill just leave this here

I was trying to find any correlation between fungal interactions and negative effect on secondary metabolite production.

Found this, seems an interesting read

Secondary metabolites in fungus-plant interactions

PDF format

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEoQFjAHahUKEwjfsfSAoo3IAhWCNT4KHUM2BZE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fjournal.frontiersin.org%2Farticle%2F10.3389%2Ffpls.2015.00573%2Fpdf&usg=AFQjCNFI4VjP5bxFe_m-H_7LXUztrccFrA&bvm=bv.103388427,d.cWw


Systemic infection by fusarium in Maize

https://apsjournals.apsnet.org/doi/abs/10.1094/PDIS-92-12-1695


Difference between resistant and susceptible maize to systematic colonization as revealed by DsRed-labeled Fusarium verticillioides

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214514113000056

detoxification of fusarium toxins in transgenic crop plants

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...n_transgenic_crop_plants_by_rakesh_khadka.pdf

I wonder if the fusarium / pest collapse interaction can also happen with broad mites, etc.

Could fusarium infections be the domino that falls allowing pests like broad mites and nematodes express like this?

It echos the same thing that happens in ecosystem collapse, one factor gets imbalanced and the rest are effected.

posting this for those who ive in agricultural areas and grow outdoors


Important Paper on Glyphosate - and discussion on the NEW pathogen effecting plant, animal and human fertility


https://www.greenpasture.org/utility/showArticle/?objectID=7213



Around where I live roundup is used liberally, we have really bad blight problems and would help explain to why

 

[Storm Shadow]

BETA you ever have any personal experience from this problem over the last 7 years? If you did, you'd realize that VIROID symptoms arent the original DUD symptoms...

WHITE FLAGGING BRO... DHN is trash

 

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BETA you ever have any personal experience from this problem over the last 7 years? If you did, you'd realize that VIROID symptoms arent the original DUD symptoms...

WHITE FLAGGING BRO... DHN is trash

The symptoms described by Dark Heart are consistent with most of the 'dudding' reports I've read over the years. Dwarved glossy leaves, rubbery horizontal lower branching, lowered yield and lack of essential oils / trichomes in flowers.