schrooomy420
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I would think that mixing of those variouse beneficials would be fine. Just don;t use any SM-90 or you'll just kill everything. peace
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anyone put SM90 in their ez clone?
Potroast
Potroast
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Neptune
I use 1ml per gallon SM-90
and 5ml per gallon Hydrogaurd
Can I use these together, or is it a waste?
Becuase sm-90 is supposed to be an inhibitor of bacteria and fungi, and Hydrogaurd is supposed to be beneficial bacteria...
hmm???
and 5ml per gallon Hydrogaurd
Can I use these together, or is it a waste?
Becuase sm-90 is supposed to be an inhibitor of bacteria and fungi, and Hydrogaurd is supposed to be beneficial bacteria...
hmm???
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Guest
sunnyside said:
Thanks for pointing that out... but I was wondering exactly how each one works when introduced in an environment with beneficial bacteria. Fuck it, i'll just call each company tommorow and find out exactly what each product does.
darken
Member
Hydroguard Info
Hydroguard is a product that I use from clone to harvest. In an EZ clone this product is very beneficial because of the high temps caused by the ezclone pump. It prevents dampening-off and root rot by creating a barrier around the plant stems ready to root. It also increases cloning success rate.
Use 5 ml / gallon in the EZ clone.
Add 10 ml / gallon to your rez every week to prevent root rot before it starts.
Hydroguard is also the same product as AN Voodoo Juice but it is much cheaper.
Hydroguard is safe to use with any nutrient but it will NOT stop root rot once it starts. It will however, prevent root rot before it starts. Add 10ml / gallon / week.
Yes you can use it with salts.
Hydroguard adds beneficial bacteria such as bacillus subtilis allong with others. Bacillus Subtilis forms a protective endspore that allows the organism to tolerate extreme conditions like high water temps.
Hygrozyme is an enzyme that breaks down proteins. This helps the nutrients to eat up the nutrients faster. It also prevent pythium and algae from forming.
Hydroguard is a product that I use from clone to harvest. In an EZ clone this product is very beneficial because of the high temps caused by the ezclone pump. It prevents dampening-off and root rot by creating a barrier around the plant stems ready to root. It also increases cloning success rate.
Use 5 ml / gallon in the EZ clone.
Add 10 ml / gallon to your rez every week to prevent root rot before it starts.
Hydroguard is also the same product as AN Voodoo Juice but it is much cheaper.
pistillwhipped said:
Hydroguard is safe to use with any nutrient but it will NOT stop root rot once it starts. It will however, prevent root rot before it starts. Add 10ml / gallon / week.
maistre said:
Yes you can use it with salts.
Dez said:
Hydroguard adds beneficial bacteria such as bacillus subtilis allong with others. Bacillus Subtilis forms a protective endspore that allows the organism to tolerate extreme conditions like high water temps.
Hygrozyme is an enzyme that breaks down proteins. This helps the nutrients to eat up the nutrients faster. It also prevent pythium and algae from forming.
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I used hydroguard religiously last year and still ran into some small rot problems in 78* res temps.It was an nft system and i had plenty of o2 bubbling in the res........maybe it was just my bad luck. After that instance i switched to SM-90 and haven't had any problems since, go figure. I like how sm-90 smells and how it is effervescent (sp) in a bubbling res.
ok first off hydroguard and voodoo are not the same product at all. I have used hydroguard millions of times it basically colonizes your roots taking up all available real estate to prevent "bad" bacteria from colonizing them.
Hydroguard awesome product no shelf life does not prevent root rot entirely but does make for some very clean roots . the enzymes eat any dead root material and convert it to useable carbohydrates for the roots to feed on.
SM-90 a good product it is basically a wetting agent . It contains sulphonated oils canola (corn) and coriander(the coriander makes it smell good) the sulfer kills fungis and the chemical component trthenolimine (spelling) is an anti fungal as well.SM-90 will kill all benificials as well with hydrogen peroxide.
Personally I think the best thing is to use hygrozyme and hydroguard together. For a better education on bacteria google Bacillus you be amazed what it is used for. In the states a product called Gnatrol (gnat-rol) uses a strain of bacillus isralleanis to kill larve of fungus gnats (it actually eats them)
P.S. blindate you definatly right about the temps bro. I have added an ICE PROBE aquarium chiller to my Power Clone 45 and it works so damn well.
Hydroguard awesome product no shelf life does not prevent root rot entirely but does make for some very clean roots . the enzymes eat any dead root material and convert it to useable carbohydrates for the roots to feed on.
SM-90 a good product it is basically a wetting agent . It contains sulphonated oils canola (corn) and coriander(the coriander makes it smell good) the sulfer kills fungis and the chemical component trthenolimine (spelling) is an anti fungal as well.SM-90 will kill all benificials as well with hydrogen peroxide.
Personally I think the best thing is to use hygrozyme and hydroguard together. For a better education on bacteria google Bacillus you be amazed what it is used for. In the states a product called Gnatrol (gnat-rol) uses a strain of bacillus isralleanis to kill larve of fungus gnats (it actually eats them)
P.S. blindate you definatly right about the temps bro. I have added an ICE PROBE aquarium chiller to my Power Clone 45 and it works so damn well.
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filimagno
Active member
those stuff as benefit bacteria and enzymes it could be find in the basic fertilizers...BUT ONLY IN THE REAL SERIOUS ONES....
cause when those type of compounds are separeted from the original mass they lost every form of good and equilibrated vitality
is the same story of the traditional agriculture....DO U WANNA RUN ORGANIC OR NOT??
so there's all in the nature(it remain in the stuff if the hidrolisis and the ferm,antation is made right....why separete them for marketing reasons????they don't act as well as linked with natural carbon.
someone know the C\N ratio ???
someone know the way for extract those bacteria and enzymes?
the only two important things for the cultivation are the mycorrizal inoculation and the trichoderma harzianum ..CAUSE THEY WORKS SO WELL.(IF THEY'RE FRESH STUFF..IT DECADE IN 6-12 MONTHS FROM THE PRODUCTION STORED IN THE FRIDGE)
IMPORTANT:hydroponic will not goes organic in anyway without the life of the biofilter!!!!
ps....if u are looking for a mold and fungus problem solver: U NEED AN EQUISETUM OR ALGAE EXTRACT CAUSE THEY CONTAINS SILICATES (THE FIRST) AND OLIGOSACCARIDES + NATURAL HORMONES (the 2nd)...it help the production of phytoallesines on the plants .( immunoresponsive action)
cause when those type of compounds are separeted from the original mass they lost every form of good and equilibrated vitality
is the same story of the traditional agriculture....DO U WANNA RUN ORGANIC OR NOT??
so there's all in the nature(it remain in the stuff if the hidrolisis and the ferm,antation is made right....why separete them for marketing reasons????they don't act as well as linked with natural carbon.
someone know the C\N ratio ???
someone know the way for extract those bacteria and enzymes?
the only two important things for the cultivation are the mycorrizal inoculation and the trichoderma harzianum ..CAUSE THEY WORKS SO WELL.(IF THEY'RE FRESH STUFF..IT DECADE IN 6-12 MONTHS FROM THE PRODUCTION STORED IN THE FRIDGE)
IMPORTANT:hydroponic will not goes organic in anyway without the life of the biofilter!!!!
ps....if u are looking for a mold and fungus problem solver: U NEED AN EQUISETUM OR ALGAE EXTRACT CAUSE THEY CONTAINS SILICATES (THE FIRST) AND OLIGOSACCARIDES + NATURAL HORMONES (the 2nd)...it help the production of phytoallesines on the plants .( immunoresponsive action)
KingRalph
Active member
nice info filimango, thanks. can you recommend an equisetum product? or do we have to get silica blast an the oli+hormones? dunno thought i'd ask 
i've used hydroguard and sm-90. sm-90 came after root rot and cleared it right up, though i paired it with hygrozyme, which was essential in the process.
so i suppose for beforehand or if you are staying organic, use hydroguard and a zyme (hygro is much better/stronger/faster than hydrozyme)...
but if you are not organic or have root rot problems already... go with the sm-90 + hygrozyme pair... knockout combo i tell ya. if only hygrozyme was say, 50% cheaper? but gotta do what gotta do
chillers are so damn expensive, workin on a DIY that should be less than $100 total (though much less for my packrat self lol)
peace n green thumbs all
i've used hydroguard and sm-90. sm-90 came after root rot and cleared it right up, though i paired it with hygrozyme, which was essential in the process.
so i suppose for beforehand or if you are staying organic, use hydroguard and a zyme (hygro is much better/stronger/faster than hydrozyme)...
but if you are not organic or have root rot problems already... go with the sm-90 + hygrozyme pair... knockout combo i tell ya. if only hygrozyme was say, 50% cheaper? but gotta do what gotta do
chillers are so damn expensive, workin on a DIY that should be less than $100 total (though much less for my packrat self lol)
peace n green thumbs all
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Hydroguard and SM90 should not be used together.
SM90 will inhibit the bacteria growth of the Hydroguard.
I use SM-90 as a foliar, and a dip to prevent all sorts of diseases and pests.... preventative maintence ins they key here.
Hydrogaurd gets added to every reservoir I ever mix, at 5ml/gal. Prevents all sorts of reservoir troubbles. Hygrozyme is great with Hydrogaurd aswell!
These are pretty much the only additives I use in hydroponics.
GH 3 part, Hydrogaurd and Hygrozyme.
SM90 will inhibit the bacteria growth of the Hydroguard.
I use SM-90 as a foliar, and a dip to prevent all sorts of diseases and pests.... preventative maintence ins they key here.
Hydrogaurd gets added to every reservoir I ever mix, at 5ml/gal. Prevents all sorts of reservoir troubbles. Hygrozyme is great with Hydrogaurd aswell!
These are pretty much the only additives I use in hydroponics.
GH 3 part, Hydrogaurd and Hygrozyme.
I have a question. doing a soil grow next and have a 1/4 bottle of hydro guard i need to use up. couldn't hurt if i used it soil also right?
Equipment Junki
New member
Hydroguard is basically Bacillus Subtillis.
Companion has ten times more Bacillus than Hydroguard does.
Use it from the beginning (clone into media that has it) to prevent pythium and the like. I keep the nute temps around 68-69 degrees F. with a big (1/2 hp) chilller.
Plants use up to 40% of their energy promoting one microbe over another depending upon what they need.
If you run a bio-filter, you can give microbes a place to colonize in the presence of oxygen.
I ran an aeroponic system for a year without changing the res. Just topped it off with quarter strength nutes when needed.
Make sure you have enough oxygen in your res by using an air pump and air stone.
The O2 Max will run (2) Boss Hog airstones by Deep Water Innovations and will cut down on those smelly blooms in your res.
Go easy on the Companion by-the-way.
I use 1 oz pergallon, and then 1/2 oz per gallon about once a month, but I have a biofilter.
Check out EA/EN Mycorriaeze also. Works.
Respect
Companion has ten times more Bacillus than Hydroguard does.
Use it from the beginning (clone into media that has it) to prevent pythium and the like. I keep the nute temps around 68-69 degrees F. with a big (1/2 hp) chilller.
Plants use up to 40% of their energy promoting one microbe over another depending upon what they need.
If you run a bio-filter, you can give microbes a place to colonize in the presence of oxygen.
I ran an aeroponic system for a year without changing the res. Just topped it off with quarter strength nutes when needed.
Make sure you have enough oxygen in your res by using an air pump and air stone.
The O2 Max will run (2) Boss Hog airstones by Deep Water Innovations and will cut down on those smelly blooms in your res.
Go easy on the Companion by-the-way.
I use 1 oz pergallon, and then 1/2 oz per gallon about once a month, but I have a biofilter.
Check out EA/EN Mycorriaeze also. Works.
Respect
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Guest
I made a chamber for breeding an ultimate Rhizo colonizing tea. it contains all of the above mentioned and more.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=53095
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http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=53095
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TheAfficianado
Member
I moved very young seedlings that had just popped from soil to a light hydro solution of Maxicrop and a drop of SuperThrive. They totally rocked until I noticed they had slowed down, and I looked at the roots and noticed a serious brown jelly. The tops of the plants and the roots were still healthy, but the jelly was damn hard to get off under running tap water and dips in 3% ho3.
I then proceeded to get nute burn. So I got some SubCulture and Hydroguard, even though they have some redundentcy in the cultures, I use half and half and I have totally dropped the level of nutes in my solution and I hope for the best.
But can anyone give us some pics of positive beneficial bugs on roots or in resevoirs so we know what is good? I feel we got a lot of pics of bad bugs, but none of good bugs. Also, I see where sea sponge is suggested. Is a place for the culture to live necessary in DWC, or do they just live on the rotts themselves? Do I need to supply I bunch of nooks and crannies?
Thanks,
The Afficianado
I then proceeded to get nute burn. So I got some SubCulture and Hydroguard, even though they have some redundentcy in the cultures, I use half and half and I have totally dropped the level of nutes in my solution and I hope for the best.
But can anyone give us some pics of positive beneficial bugs on roots or in resevoirs so we know what is good? I feel we got a lot of pics of bad bugs, but none of good bugs. Also, I see where sea sponge is suggested. Is a place for the culture to live necessary in DWC, or do they just live on the rotts themselves? Do I need to supply I bunch of nooks and crannies?
Thanks,
The Afficianado
gotvape420
Member
Afficianado:
i had the exact same problem with the first clones i took. the slowed down, i check the dwc (5 gal buckets, no rez or controller) and they were nasty. i went to the hydro store and i got some good advice. sm-90 is what you need, it rocked when i used it. new roots in 2 days! you can almost smell it working! once you mix it in, the bubbles become froth, its really great stuff.
once i got the roots back to optimal health, i started using hydroguard. sm90 will take back your roots, hydroguard will keep them healthy as the preventative. but like was stated before, dont use them together. the sm90 will kill the hydroguard. best of luck bro, you can save em!
i had the exact same problem with the first clones i took. the slowed down, i check the dwc (5 gal buckets, no rez or controller) and they were nasty. i went to the hydro store and i got some good advice. sm-90 is what you need, it rocked when i used it. new roots in 2 days! you can almost smell it working! once you mix it in, the bubbles become froth, its really great stuff.
once i got the roots back to optimal health, i started using hydroguard. sm90 will take back your roots, hydroguard will keep them healthy as the preventative. but like was stated before, dont use them together. the sm90 will kill the hydroguard. best of luck bro, you can save em!
TheAfficianado
Member
I already put in the Hydroguard and SubCulture, so I guess I skipped the SM-90. Hopefully someone has pics of the good bugs or just a healthy root system that uses the products that have been mentioned. Thanks everybody.
