Human Shit is good Fertiliser

[Teddybrae]

Well ... look ... it was me who started this thread. And yes, my intent WAS confrontational to a degree because I think our lives ... and these forums reflect ... that our processes are becoming unnecessarily SANITISED! At a meta-level I see this collective behaviour is unhealthy.
I see too that we are (collectively) more and more cut off from our roots ... our cultures ... by a squeaky clean packaged lifestyle.
We should not forget ... despite all the Sanitation in the world, all the white aprons and hands washed before eating ... that bacteria feeds soil and soil feeds us.

(Mr White Beard ... we installed a septic two months ago. previously all waste was composted and put back in the garden.)

(And I too see it is a waste that shit is just sprayed willy nilly on the ground under the sun when it needs to be composted.)

(Mr Microbeman ... if you see this ... what's the reason you remove the worms from yr pots after a while? I know ... I 'm referring to a different thread but I can't find it.)

Is it just me or do alot of these threads turn confrontational...yeah I just made up a word. It is what it is but it seems strange for a weed forum. Joint any1?

 

[Switcher56]

Shit! I don't give a shit!! Shit is shit!!! Slice it, dice it, it ain't a tomatoes or toe mah toe, it's shit. Happy for you Now! Smoke your shit!!!

 

[Microbeman]

(Mr Microbeman ... if you see this ... what's the reason you remove the worms from yr pots after a while? I know ... I 'm referring to a different thread but I can't find it.)

Teddy; You are referring to one of my posts on my indoor vertical no-till garden. We did not use pots. In between crops we added LOTS of worms so trapped out most of them before planting. I did say in at least one post that in retrospect the rest period was unnecessary and I would not do this in future. I would therefore use only a few worms and leave them in.

 

[picalin]

Shit heppens!

 

[Teddybrae]

My reaction to your images ... especially the density of the planting ... is the realisation how healthy this garden and its environment must be! Quite a high standard I think!

Teddy; You are referring to one of my posts on my indoor vertical no-till garden. We did not use pots. In between crops we added LOTS of worms so trapped out most of them before planting. I did say in at least one post that in retrospect the rest period was unnecessary and I would not do this in future. I would therefore use only a few worms and leave them in.

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[White Beard]

If it is awful smelling, it is awful and if you are smelling it then bad bacteria is entering you. There are I'm sure intelligent ways to use shit but putrefying and spraying is not one of them. A farmer with any integrity will either aerate, compost or properly ferment their crap prior to use; individual craps in the field excluded.

It is like the putrid dairy manure sludge sprayed on many fields. Disgusting and wasteful.

You jump to conclusions: it was my American city nose that was offended, I knew nothing of farm life anywhere. I did not have the language to ask them about what they did: I was told by English speakers in the area that it was not raw excrement, that such practices were commonplace around Europe, that this was why travelers would eat the local yogurt when coming into a new place. As I traveled Europe I found that to be sound advice.

I see you have feelings about these things; I did not intend to distress you.

 

[Microbeman]

You jump to conclusions: it was my American city nose that was offended, I knew nothing of farm life anywhere. I did not have the language to ask them about what they did: I was told by English speakers in the area that it was not raw excrement, that such practices were commonplace around Europe, that this was why travelers would eat the local yogurt when coming into a new place. As I traveled Europe I found that to be sound advice.

I see you have feelings about these things; I did not intend to distress you.

I'm not distressed. This is common practice in North America as well. It is a sign of ignorance. What conclusion?

 

[St. Phatty]

Well ... look ... it was me who started this thread. And yes, my intent WAS confrontational to a degree because I think our lives ... and these forums reflect ... that our processes are becoming unnecessarily SANITISED! At a meta-level I see this collective behaviour is unhealthy.

Because human waste is good fertilizer, and because many US states are dealing with bad droughts but still use water to wash away human waste -

I think (all else equal) the communities that have the maturity to talk about the energy content of human waste, or about using #1 to flush #2 so that no water is involved, will be the communities that survive.

Of course, all else is not equal so the communities that have "energy to waste" will just keep wasting energy throwing away almost perfectly good fertilizer.

 

[Sweetdog760]

And the shit show goes on...��

 

[Brother Nature]

Have you guys heard much regarding the Omniprocessor? It's a bit of an older story, but if we as humans can turn our own waste into drinkable water and energy, there's no reason we can't turn it into a renewable resource for other human needs such as agriculture. Most of the .01% don't seem to give a shit about doing anything positive for the world, but one thing I do admire about Bill Gates is his philanthropic pursuits.

From Poop to Potable

This Ingenious Machine Turns Feces Into Drinking Water


By Bill Gates


| January 5, 2015




I watched the piles of feces go up the conveyer belt and drop into a large bin. They made their way through the machine, getting boiled and treated. A few minutes later I took a long taste of the end result: a glass of delicious drinking water.



The occasion was a tour of a facility that burns human waste and produces water and electricity (plus a little ash). I have visited lots of similar sites, like power plants and paper mills, so when I heard about this one—it’s part of the Gates Foundation’s effort to improve sanitation in poor countries—I was eager to check it out.
The water tasted as good as any I’ve had out of a bottle. And having studied the engineering behind it, I would happily drink it every day. It’s that safe.



Why would anyone want to turn waste into drinking water and electricity?

Because a shocking number of people, at least 2 billion, use latrines that aren’t properly drained. Others simply defecate out in the open. The waste contaminates drinking water for millions of people, with horrific consequences: Diseases caused by poor sanitation kill some 700,000 children every year, and they prevent many more from fully developing mentally and physically.
If we can develop safe, affordable ways to get rid of human waste, we can prevent many of those deaths and help more children grow up healthy.


Western toilets aren’t the answer, because they require a massive infrastructure of sewer lines and treatment plants that just isn’t feasible in many poor countries. So a few years ago our foundation put out a call for new solution.


One idea is to reinvent the toilet, which I’ve written about before.
Another idea—and the goal of the project I toured—is to reinvent the sewage treatment plant. The project is called the Omniprocessor, and it was designed and built by Janicki Bioenergy, an engineering firm based north of Seattle. I recently went to Janicki’s headquarters to check out an Omniprocessor before the start of a pilot project in Senegal.


The Omniprocessor is a safe repository for human waste. Today, in many places without modern sewage systems, truckers take the waste from latrines and dump it into the nearest river or the ocean—or at a treatment facility that doesn’t actually treat the sewage. Either way, it often ends up in the water supply. If they took it to the Omniprocessor instead, it would be burned safely. The machine runs at such a high temperature (1000 degrees Celsius) that there’s no nasty smell; in fact it meets all the emissions standards set by the U.S. government.


Before we even started the tour, I had a question: Don’t modern sewage plants already incinerate waste? I learned that some just turn the waste into solids that are stored in the desert. Others burn it using diesel or some other fuel that they buy. That means they use a lot of energy, which makes them impractical in most poor countries.


The Omniprocessor solves that problem. Through the ingenious use of a steam engine, it produces more than enough energy to burn the next batch of waste. In other words, it powers itself, with electricity to spare. The next-generation processor, more advanced than the one I saw, will handle waste from 100,000 people, producing up to 86,000 liters of potable water a day and a net 250 kw of electricity.


If we get it right, it will be a good example of how philanthropy can provide seed money that draws bright people to work on big problems, eventually creating a self-supporting industry. Our foundation is funding Janicki to do the development. It’s really amazing to see how they’ve embraced the work; founder Peter Janicki and his family have traveled to Africa and India multiple times so they can see the scope of the problem. Our goal is to make the processors cheap enough that entrepreneurs in low- and middle-income countries will want to invest in them and then start profitable waste-treatment businesses.


We still have a lot to learn before we get to that point. The next step is the pilot project; later this year, Janicki will set up an Omniprocessor in Dakar, Senegal, where they’ll study everything from how you connect with the local community (the team is already working with leaders there) to how you pick the most convenient location. They will also test one of the coolest things I saw on my tour: a system of sensors and webcams that will let Janicki’s engineers control the processor remotely and communicate with the team in Dakar so they can diagnose any problems that come up.


The history of philanthropy is littered with well-intentioned inventions that never deliver on their promise. Hopefully, these early steps will help us make sure the Omniprocessor doesn’t join the list. If things go well in Senegal, we’ll start looking for partners in the developing world. For example I think it could be a great fit in India, where there are lots of entrepreneurs who could own and operate the processors, as well as companies with the skill to manufacture many of the parts.


It might be many years before the processor is being used widely. But I was really impressed with Janicki’s engineering. And I’m excited about the business model. The processor wouldn’t just keep human waste out of the drinking water; it would turn waste into a commodity with real value in the marketplace. It’s the ultimate example of that old expression: one man’s trash is another man’s treasure.

 

[Emperortaima]

Have you guys heard much regarding the Omniprocessor? It's a bit of an older story, but if we as humans can turn our own waste into drinkable water and energy, there's no reason we can't turn it into a renewable resource for other human needs such as agriculture. Most of the .01% don't seem to give a shit about doing anything positive for the world, but one thing I do admire about Bill Gates is his philanthropic pursuits.

Coming from an evil human who has intent to depopulate the world of us human beings like he and his elite buddies are the superior bloodlines..
Let's admire something more extraordinary.... Sorry but Gates has no place anywhere but a grave

 

[St. Phatty]

OH NO

not this thread again.

 

[Dog Star]

Let him and his family drink those water...

 

[Brother Nature]

Coming from an evil human who has intent to depopulate the world of us human beings like he and his elite buddies are the superior bloodlines..
Let's admire something more extraordinary.... Sorry but Gates has no place anywhere but a grave

Can you elaborate on this at all? I'm actually curious as to why you think that?

 

[Emperortaima]

Google "Bill Gates and Eugenics"


You're welcome

 

[Emperortaima]

Bill Gates has his hands in many many different organizations he is killing with vaccines and food and I wouldn't be surprised if there are other things that piece of shit is up to... I hope veterans who care about the future of our world team up and covertly handle that worthless scum... I pray to the universe because it's US or THEM

 

[Brother Nature]

Right... You know we've got a conspiracy theory thread here right?

 

[Emperortaima]

Gates foundation!

India being a country that could very much agree with my message about that POS

HPV vaccines... Oh that's not even 0.001% of the surface of facts on this CRIMINAL

 

[Emperortaima]

You choose your own route... Sheep will be sheep... And will listen to their Overlord to the slaughter house.. conspiracy blah blah blah truth hurts when you can't pull your head out of the ground you cling to

 

[Bud Green]

Let's get back to talking about some real shit... you know, human poop in the garden, yay or nay...