If you read my opening post, you would know I already use HPI-T through the stretch and I also tried less plants
Strange how CMH lights are nowhere to be found here in Europe.
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Huge internodes - anything I didn't try already?
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If you read my opening post, you would know I already use HPI-T through the stretch and I also tried less plants
Strange how CMH lights are nowhere to be found here in Europe.
You can try keeping in a smaller pot for start of flowering, then when stretch stops you can pot up into a bigger pot. By restricting the roots in early flowering you restrict the plants ull ability from growing. It is quite stressful for the plant of course, but when you pot it up into a bigger pot after, with sativas genes, the roots will continue to grow roots and use resources in the bigger pot so you can still get a good yield, with a slightly more compact plant. It's a tool, not a 100% indica compact plant trick, but it should help, you could also grow it like a bush in this regard, say 3 or 4 heads, an easy way is you bend over the growing point while still flexible and hold it down with an elastic until it grows back up and you have a couple more side buds break growth and are even with the apical stem, smaller colas but easily done.
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sourpuss
To reduce stretch you need many tops. More tops than you plan on keepin to the end. Let it stretch with too many tops which will reduce the over all stretch. Prune off as stretch slows...
JohnKimble
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I think this is true from my personal experience. More tops cuases the plant to have to divert energy to more branches, it slows down.
Also he could try "super cropping" the branches, pinching the branch down causes it to stop growing for a bit.
I used it (bushload) on day ten of flower at 1ml per gallon (I hand watered 1/2 a gallon per plant).. The plants grew maybe another 1/2 " vertically in the next day and then stopped vertical growth completely.
Also it made the buds denser and slightly less resinous
Thanks everyone. Just to be clear, I am not having problems with the stretch per se, it's the elongation of the internodes. This typically happens in the first days after the flip. Afterwards vertical growth continues, but internode length is alright. So I am not necessarily seeking to stop vertical growth, I just want to prevent the elongation. I am having this problem with both indicas and sativas, although obviously the effect is more pronounced with sativas.
If I understand correctly, if you use stuff like Bushload, you would have to veg to about the height you want because they wont grow anymore after application. Since I am getting good internode length in veg, this would really get me better yields, but a grow would take longer.
I think for the moment I'll give a new dual spectrum light a chance, I like the idea of a little extra blue in flower anyway. Perhaps a 250 watt MH (HPI) is just besides the point: too much IR compared to blue to really make a difference. Might need 400+ watt for it to stop elongation and that's no option.
I'll also experiment with alfalfa teas, although it won't be easy to get the triacontanol out. May have to use pure triacontanol from a suspension.
I'll also try bruising the stems, it makes sense it would make the plant focus on repairing that instead of growing. I'm worried it will slow down all vertical growth though. Which in itself is fine if you vegged long enough, but really kills yield if you didn't. And I don't know what to plan for... any experiences?
If I understand correctly, if you use stuff like Bushload, you would have to veg to about the height you want because they wont grow anymore after application. Since I am getting good internode length in veg, this would really get me better yields, but a grow would take longer.
I think for the moment I'll give a new dual spectrum light a chance, I like the idea of a little extra blue in flower anyway. Perhaps a 250 watt MH (HPI) is just besides the point: too much IR compared to blue to really make a difference. Might need 400+ watt for it to stop elongation and that's no option.
I'll also experiment with alfalfa teas, although it won't be easy to get the triacontanol out. May have to use pure triacontanol from a suspension.
I'll also try bruising the stems, it makes sense it would make the plant focus on repairing that instead of growing. I'm worried it will slow down all vertical growth though. Which in itself is fine if you vegged long enough, but really kills yield if you didn't. And I don't know what to plan for... any experiences?
HerBnGorE(illa)
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MM. Some great thoughts mentioned on here. Between root constriction, blue light, more tops, pinching stems, etc.
....my mind is blown by "internode space over a foot long" ...that is bigger than my entire plants!! Lol
I am currently running 4 ace malawi plants. Two have (what I thought was) long internode spacing and the other two are "normal". My max plant height is about 16 inches, so internode spacing GREATLY reduces yield. Can't wait to see some more ideas on here. Thanks for starting this thread. Great subject.
a couple other things to add....I have read on here that leds help keep plants squat. Maybe get a small panel to use just for the stretch and then switch to ur hid lamp to bulk up the buds??
Also, I don't know about cannabis, but when a person is attempting to bonsai what would be a large tree they use leaf removal to keep the plants lightly stressed and minimize the plants "energy"
Maybe CO2 would help???
...ok, I'm just rambling ideas....pay no mind to me. I can't fit a 400 watter in my pc case
....my mind is blown by "internode space over a foot long" ...that is bigger than my entire plants!! Lol
I am currently running 4 ace malawi plants. Two have (what I thought was) long internode spacing and the other two are "normal". My max plant height is about 16 inches, so internode spacing GREATLY reduces yield. Can't wait to see some more ideas on here. Thanks for starting this thread. Great subject.
a couple other things to add....I have read on here that leds help keep plants squat. Maybe get a small panel to use just for the stretch and then switch to ur hid lamp to bulk up the buds??
Also, I don't know about cannabis, but when a person is attempting to bonsai what would be a large tree they use leaf removal to keep the plants lightly stressed and minimize the plants "energy"
Maybe CO2 would help???
...ok, I'm just rambling ideas....pay no mind to me. I can't fit a 400 watter in my pc case
Hi Herb,
That foot long internode I got with Double Jam, the stretchiest strain I've ever grown. After it settled down, it proceeded to make a cola as big as my arm with proper internode lengths. With these kind of ladies I snap the stem and tie it down on my net to create a horizontal cola. That way I still get a lot of light on most of the plant.
Yes leds seem to do the trick, but they are rather expensive. The upside would be I could grow even in summer, when it's too hot for HPS.
I am a bit skeptical about stressing them to keep them small. It would slow down vertical growth for sure, but would it also stop elongation? Often when I top or fim a plant in veg, I will show elongated internodes the next day. So it seems a stress response. The flip is a stressful event too I imagine, so there you go. I was thinking maybe easing them into the stretch by slowing dialing down lights on from 14 to 12 hours or so would minimize stress and elongation. Just a thought!
That foot long internode I got with Double Jam, the stretchiest strain I've ever grown. After it settled down, it proceeded to make a cola as big as my arm with proper internode lengths. With these kind of ladies I snap the stem and tie it down on my net to create a horizontal cola. That way I still get a lot of light on most of the plant.
Yes leds seem to do the trick, but they are rather expensive. The upside would be I could grow even in summer, when it's too hot for HPS.
I am a bit skeptical about stressing them to keep them small. It would slow down vertical growth for sure, but would it also stop elongation? Often when I top or fim a plant in veg, I will show elongated internodes the next day. So it seems a stress response. The flip is a stressful event too I imagine, so there you go. I was thinking maybe easing them into the stretch by slowing dialing down lights on from 14 to 12 hours or so would minimize stress and elongation. Just a thought!
HerBnGorE(illa)
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Sounds like the "slow dial" method may be worth trying. Makes sense.
....I wonder if there is a notable difference in elongation when making the switch from different veg times? For instance, if u switch from 20 hr veg to 12 hr flower vs 18 hr veg to 12 hr flower.
....I wonder if there is a notable difference in elongation when making the switch from different veg times? For instance, if u switch from 20 hr veg to 12 hr flower vs 18 hr veg to 12 hr flower.
If you read my opening post, you would know I already use HPI-T through the stretch and I also tried less plants
Strange how CMH lights are nowhere to be found here in Europe.
I read it. You weren't exactly clear in that.
Waldgeist uses CMH iirc & I get the impression he's in Europe. Might try a PM.
