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CharlesU Farley
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It's time for a progress report on my efforts to essentially create a plant that will grow in a screen 'o green style, without the need to decapitate or crush the main stem of a thriving, juvenile cannabis plant and no reason to use bondage and discipline to tie it down and hinder its growth. 
I've been fucking around with both the Type I/Sativa and Type II/Indica dominate phenos of SouthEast Lights to develop a multi-poly-hybrid that will be less prone to botrytis and PM. I trying to do this by recombining the original constituents of NL into a plant that will grow the way I want it to.
Here's a pic of the standard NL pheno that is so consistently reproducible for me:
Here is a pheno of the Type I/Sativa I've been working that is nowhere near as consistent in structure as the NL pheno but it has the branching structure I've been looking for:
Here is the structure of the _one_ that I've been looking for and think I've finally found:
And to illustrate that the plant hasn't been topped, hacked, fimmed or otherwise fucked with to increase yield, check out the main stem structure:
The missing branches are what I used to clone this baby:
I've got 20 fully rooted clones of this plant.
I only wish I still had viable pollen from this plant to backcross it to these clones when they're ready, because I believe that's where the branching/spreading trait originally came from. Unofrtunately, I do not:
I probably won't do any staminate plants until next spring to match up to the plant I'm referring to as "The One", because I want to make sure the cloned offspring are stable and reproducible.
I can't wait to find "Another One" staminate plant that I can mate to "The One" pistillate, just to see what happens.
I've been fucking around with both the Type I/Sativa and Type II/Indica dominate phenos of SouthEast Lights to develop a multi-poly-hybrid
that will be less prone to botrytis and PM. I trying to do this by recombining the original constituents of NL into a plant that will grow the way I want it to. Here's a pic of the standard NL pheno that is so consistently reproducible for me:
Here is a pheno of the Type I/Sativa I've been working that is nowhere near as consistent in structure as the NL pheno but it has the branching structure I've been looking for:
Here is the structure of the _one_ that I've been looking for and think I've finally found:
And to illustrate that the plant hasn't been topped, hacked, fimmed or otherwise fucked with to increase yield, check out the main stem structure:
The missing branches are what I used to clone this baby:
I've got 20 fully rooted clones of this plant.
I only wish I still had viable pollen from this plant to backcross it to these clones when they're ready, because I believe that's where the branching/spreading trait originally came from. Unofrtunately, I do not
:I probably won't do any staminate plants until next spring to match up to the plant I'm referring to as "The One", because I want to make sure the cloned offspring are stable and reproducible.
I can't wait to find "Another One" staminate plant that I can mate to "The One" pistillate, just to see what happens.
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dogzter
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I usually try and keep a cut of whatever most recent male has been used......try.It's time for a progress report on my efforts to essentially create a plant that will grow in a screen 'o green style, without the need to decapitate or crush the main stem of a thriving, juvenile cannabis plant and no reason to use bondage and discipline to tie it down and hinder its growth.
I've been fucking around with both the Type I/Sativa and Type II/Indica dominate phenos of SouthEast Lights to develop a multi-poly-hybrid
Here's a pic of the standard NL pheno that is so consistently reproducible for me:
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Here is a pheno of the Type I/Sativa I've been working that is nowhere near as consistent in structure as the NL pheno but it has the branching structure I've been looking for:
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Here is the structure of the _one_ that I've been looking for and think I've finally found:
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And to illustrate that the plant hasn't been topped, hacked, fimmed or otherwise fucked with to increase yield, check out the main stem structure:
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The missing branches are what I used to clone this baby:
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I've got 20 fully rooted clones of this plant.
I only wish I still had viable pollen from this plant to backcross it to these clones when they're ready, because I believe that's where the branching/spreading trait originally came from. Unofrtunately, I do not
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I probably won't do any staminate plants until next spring to match up to the plant I'm referring to as "The One", because I want to make sure the cloned offspring are stable and reproducible.
I can't wait to find "Another One" staminate plant that I can mate to "The One" pistillate, just to see what happens.
Dogs ate my last one the day he got put outside didn't make it one night.
CharlesU Farley
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Hope ya didn't yell at Bubba too much!I usually try and keep a cut of whatever most recent male has been used......try.
Dogs ate my last one the day he got put outside didn't make it one night.
Chills
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I sometimes tend to get totally lost about what breeders/strains i want to grow next. Modern media oveflood you with appealing pictures and you think you must get totally blasted from your Weed or you are missing out something.
For me Oldtimer's Haze is what NL is for you. Really every time i smoke it i think to myself "actually i don't need anything else". It has absolute no negative sideffects or hangover just takes the edge off life, calms me and connects me with my self and the world around me. Pure magical medicine.
But with the legalization here i now have the opportunity to try all the stuff i only read about as a Kid. It seems like the more varieties people try out the harder they seek for the grail/lost/exeptional instead of doing some classic aggricultural homo sapiens stuff to get what they want. You can get the impression Armageddon is near because something isn't available to buy anymore
Your trust in your perception and the effort you bring in to get what you need is what people should be made off. Thanks for being so open and detailed with your wealth of experience.
For me Oldtimer's Haze is what NL is for you. Really every time i smoke it i think to myself "actually i don't need anything else". It has absolute no negative sideffects or hangover just takes the edge off life, calms me and connects me with my self and the world around me. Pure magical medicine.
But with the legalization here i now have the opportunity to try all the stuff i only read about as a Kid. It seems like the more varieties people try out the harder they seek for the grail/lost/exeptional instead of doing some classic aggricultural homo sapiens stuff to get what they want. You can get the impression Armageddon is near because something isn't available to buy anymore
Your trust in your perception and the effort you bring in to get what you need is what people should be made off. Thanks for being so open and detailed with your wealth of experience.
CharlesU Farley
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Going to continue with clones and their progression on this post because I'm almost positive no other cannabis developer hits clones and seedlings with as much air circulation as I do. One thing that is almost _always_ missing from the bud shots and tent pics that I see here on ICM is the lack of fans. The exhaust fans for tents do _not_ provide enough air circulation, ya gotta directly hit 'em with _air_.
I'm not going to bore you with my in-depth knowledge of gas laws (I'm a Registered Respiratory Therapist) but suffice it to say that Boyle's and Avogadros Law support what I'm doing with air velocity, as do the basic laws of photosynthesis.
Any gas moves from a higher concentration to a lower concentration to achieve equilibrium. So the more air you provide to the leaf surface will facilitate the enhanced transfer CO2 and O2 at the cellular level. I am _positive_ that I provide more available CO2 at the leaf cellular level than anyone one else does with CO2 supplementation.
And at a much lower cost than bottled CO2 ever could. Every thread I see regarding CO2 supplementation makes me laugh but I know better than to try to explain my reasoning to people who don't understand/comprehend _basic_ science.
A helpful video to illustrate my point:
Just like with my seedlings, I hit clones with high velocity air, 24X7. When I initially started doing this, a lot of the clones and seedling _died_. But after several generations, the plants adapted to their environment and now they fucking _thrive_:
When it was time to put 'em in dirt, it's always nice to see a helpful nematode doing it's thing in the recycled dirt pile:
This will probably be the next topic in this thread, the Type I/Sativa side of NL after I reverse engineered it. I haven't worked it much at all but anticipating the need to enhance the branching and height required for many more, yet smaller buds, that aren't subject to PM and most especially _botrytis_. I planted some of the Type I/Sativa dominate seeds I've been reluctant to germinate and have been pleasantly surprised at the results:
I think even those Haze Crazies might like the structure of this one.
It has a bit different leaf structure than the Type II/Indica plants I've concentrated on in the past.:
I'm not going to bore you with my in-depth knowledge of gas laws (I'm a Registered Respiratory Therapist) but suffice it to say that Boyle's and Avogadros Law support what I'm doing with air velocity, as do the basic laws of photosynthesis.
Any gas moves from a higher concentration to a lower concentration to achieve equilibrium. So the more air you provide to the leaf surface will facilitate the enhanced transfer CO2 and O2 at the cellular level. I am _positive_ that I provide more available CO2 at the leaf cellular level than anyone one else does with CO2 supplementation.
And at a much lower cost than bottled CO2 ever could.
Every thread I see regarding CO2 supplementation makes me laugh but I know better than to try to explain my reasoning to people who don't understand/comprehend _basic_ science. A helpful video to illustrate my point:
Just like with my seedlings, I hit clones with high velocity air, 24X7. When I initially started doing this, a lot of the clones and seedling _died_. But after several generations, the plants adapted to their environment and now they fucking _thrive_:
When it was time to put 'em in dirt, it's always nice to see a helpful nematode doing it's thing in the recycled dirt pile:
This will probably be the next topic in this thread, the Type I/Sativa side of NL after I reverse engineered it. I haven't worked it much at all but anticipating the need to enhance the branching and height required for many more, yet smaller buds, that aren't subject to PM and most especially _botrytis_. I planted some of the Type I/Sativa dominate seeds I've been reluctant to germinate and have been pleasantly surprised at the results:
I think even those Haze Crazies might like the structure of this one.
It has a bit different leaf structure than the Type II/Indica plants I've concentrated on in the past.
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CharlesU Farley
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The Type I/Sativa (hereafter just called Type I) dominant side of NL was the last of the phenos to reveal itself. Here is a cut 'n paste from the website from April of 2018:
"At F6, the first Type I/Sativa plant appeared. I was sure this plant was just an over-achieving male because it was just so height dominant over all the others. The pre-flowers caused me to question my assumption and flowering proved me wrong. I was expecting so much after harvest and curing, given the rep of Thai sticks with my generation, but was a bit underwhelmed. Low yield, almost no smell with a nice, clear mental effect, quite familiar from my time in Miami. I guess I was expecting the Thai portion of Northern Lights to really be different from the high quality Jamaican and Columbian I knew so well. It wasn't. On this last F6 grow, all three phenos appeared simultaneously."
I wasn't taking photos (justifiably paranoid) when this originally happened, so I can't provide pics of the staminate and pistillate I used but this is the first pic of the Type I dominant side of NL I have:
I always have to add the disclaimer, the temp inside the tent was in the low 40's and the RH was 80+%, that's why the leaves look like they do. To any moderately experienced growers who may be reading this... _never_ judge a photo of a cannabis plant until you know what _environment_ it was taken in!!!
After a couple of gens, the Type I dominant side stabilized a bit:
Being somewhat disappointed in the potency, kinda put 'em on the back burner until I realized I could use this pheno type to add some height and length to branches. Fertilized these with Type IV pollen I had frozen and this is the first result of that pairing. These plants are about 2-3 weeks from harvest:
Yeah, I know looks like a Frankenstein creation but it's actually pretty resinous and what I was trying to accomplish (smaller buds but more of them) was accomplished... a little too much with this pairing.
Speaking of Frankenstein, this plant was kinda stuck in the back of the tent, looked OK but not what I was wanting in this project. It's obviously an outlier with the rest of these plants but I kept it hanging around because I had the room. Which is highly unusual but I knew I was going on vacation in early Oct. and had to keep the workload down a bit.
Here's Frank!
Looks/looked OK from a distance but when examining the bud structure, there was essentially none
As I've posted before, show me a cannabis developer who has never had a bad harvest/plants and I’ll show you a developer who has never accomplished anything extraordinary.
For every plant that I get that looks like that monstrosity, I get many more that are like this, which is also a part of the seed run:
One more post before vacation/harvest so next post I'll get into the branching structure/nature of this plant because it's going to the the pistillate source for this entire project.
And I've got 20 healthy, vigorous clones of her vegging right now!
"At F6, the first Type I/Sativa plant appeared. I was sure this plant was just an over-achieving male because it was just so height dominant over all the others. The pre-flowers caused me to question my assumption and flowering proved me wrong. I was expecting so much after harvest and curing, given the rep of Thai sticks with my generation, but was a bit underwhelmed. Low yield, almost no smell with a nice, clear mental effect, quite familiar from my time in Miami. I guess I was expecting the Thai portion of Northern Lights to really be different from the high quality Jamaican and Columbian I knew so well. It wasn't. On this last F6 grow, all three phenos appeared simultaneously."
I wasn't taking photos (justifiably paranoid) when this originally happened, so I can't provide pics of the staminate and pistillate I used but this is the first pic of the Type I dominant side of NL I have:
I always have to add the disclaimer, the temp inside the tent was in the low 40's and the RH was 80+%, that's why the leaves look like they do. To any moderately experienced growers who may be reading this... _never_ judge a photo of a cannabis plant until you know what _environment_ it was taken in!!!
After a couple of gens, the Type I dominant side stabilized a bit:
Being somewhat disappointed in the potency, kinda put 'em on the back burner until I realized I could use this pheno type to add some height and length to branches. Fertilized these with Type IV pollen I had frozen and this is the first result of that pairing. These plants are about 2-3 weeks from harvest:
Yeah, I know looks like a Frankenstein creation but it's actually pretty resinous and what I was trying to accomplish (smaller buds but more of them) was accomplished... a little too much with this pairing.
Speaking of Frankenstein, this plant was kinda stuck in the back of the tent, looked OK but not what I was wanting in this project. It's obviously an outlier with the rest of these plants but I kept it hanging around because I had the room. Which is highly unusual but I knew I was going on vacation in early Oct. and had to keep the workload down a bit.
Here's Frank!
Looks/looked OK from a distance but when examining the bud structure, there was essentially none
As I've posted before, show me a cannabis developer who has never had a bad harvest/plants and I’ll show you a developer who has never accomplished anything extraordinary.
For every plant that I get that looks like that monstrosity, I get many more that are like this, which is also a part of the seed run:
One more post before vacation/harvest so next post I'll get into the branching structure/nature of this plant because it's going to the the pistillate source for this entire project.
And I've got 20 healthy, vigorous clones of her vegging right now!
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CharlesU Farley
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No, I don't use the numbering system like the NL Crew did but I can certainly understand why they did. I'm sure it was a way to quantify the dominance of either Type I/Sativa and Type II/Indica cannabis in the various combinations they tried, when creating the TypeIV/Hybrid. I know NL Seattle Greg suffered from severe PTSD, so the Type II was very important to him, for sleeping/sedation.Do you keep different lines like F6#1-5 F6#6-10? Would be interesting if you could get back some hybrid-effect after crossing both lines back to each other after maybe 3-5 generations of seperation.
Very cool to see somebody do something different.
I just classify the seeds as either Type I, Type II, or Type IV dominant and even at this stage, 8 years after reverse engineering it, there is still considerable phenotypic variation among those three categories.
I no longer keep track of the filial numbers because it ended up being too tedious keeping track of all the numbers and various cross and back gens I've done.
I've just been trying to use the Type I dominant side for the height and branching effect, to make smaller buds but many, _many_ more of them.
I'm finishing up harvest today, so I'll post a few pics later on because I'm a pretty happy camper right now.
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Very interesting, will be watching this one for sure. 
El Timbo
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Do you see differences in the seeds themselves according to their type?
CharlesU Farley
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Yes. This is going to be a generalization because obviously there's exceptions but the Type II are rather large, the biggest of the three groups. The Type IV is the intermediate in size, and probably the most variable. Type I are the smallest and are more gray spotted than brown but the overall colors are not dramatically different between the three groups.
I would show you pictures but I keep 'em in the freezer and don't like to take them out unless I absolutely have to, because the freezing /defrost cycle and resultant variable humidity adversely affects the viability in the long term.
CharlesU Farley
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Finished up harvest and I think I'm halfway to getting this variation of SouthEast Lights to do what I want it to do. Now I've gotta find a staminate plant to match clones from this pistillate one:
That plant is a combination of these two parental units:
Out of all the offspring of those, these two are the closest to what I'm trying to accomplish:
The one on the left produced buds like this:
The one of the right produced buds like this:
It may be hard to discern the differences in these photos but the buds from the left side plant have less resin than the plant on the right. This _always_ seems to be the choice for me... select the plant that has the structure and stability you're looking for or select for sugar coated resin buds regardless of what the plant grows or looks like. Instead of doing what I _know_ almost everyone else would do, I keep my eye on what the ultimate goal is that I'm trying to accomplish and I went with _structure_.
My goal on this project has been to develop plants that would have smaller but more numerous buds so my plants that used to look like this:
Would not get this:
This lower branch that I used to clone The One:
Produces a plant full of branches like this, the lowest branch on the plant. No larf, those fuckers are rock hard:
These plants have shown absolutely no botrytis and minimal PM during this late summer harvest, where the lowest temp/humidity was 72 F/65% and the highest was 88 F/96%. Think about that for a second, the RH never got below _65%_. The combo of smaller bud sites and the use of khco3 eliminated a _major_ problem I was having growing in tents down in the basement.
Not ready to say Mission Accomplished but I'm a pretty happy camper.
Now I have to develop a staminate plant that will accentuate and enhance this magnificent pistillate beauty. I think I've got an idea how Nevil felt when he first realized NL #5 was a _very_ special plant.
That plant is a combination of these two parental units:
Out of all the offspring of those, these two are the closest to what I'm trying to accomplish:
The one on the left produced buds like this:
The one of the right produced buds like this:
It may be hard to discern the differences in these photos but the buds from the left side plant have less resin than the plant on the right. This _always_ seems to be the choice for me... select the plant that has the structure and stability you're looking for or select for sugar coated resin buds regardless of what the plant grows or looks like. Instead of doing what I _know_ almost everyone else would do, I keep my eye on what the ultimate goal is that I'm trying to accomplish and I went with _structure_.
My goal on this project has been to develop plants that would have smaller but more numerous buds so my plants that used to look like this:
Would not get this:
This lower branch that I used to clone The One:
Produces a plant full of branches like this, the lowest branch on the plant. No larf, those fuckers are rock hard
:These plants have shown absolutely no botrytis and minimal PM during this late summer harvest, where the lowest temp/humidity was 72 F/65% and the highest was 88 F/96%. Think about that for a second, the RH never got below _65%_. The combo of smaller bud sites and the use of khco3 eliminated a _major_ problem I was having growing in tents down in the basement.
Not ready to say Mission Accomplished but I'm a pretty happy camper.
Now I have to develop a staminate plant that will accentuate and enhance this magnificent pistillate beauty. I think I've got an idea how Nevil felt when he first realized NL #5 was a _very_ special plant.
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CharlesU Farley
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I've been dreading updating this thread since I got back online last month. It's gonna bring back memories I don't necessarily want to think about, now that my life has calmed down but I'm ready to deal with shit now and write about it.
Less than a week after my last post, this happened:
The tl;dr version... my 5 year old grow bud Star the Doberman died of cancer and I buried her the day before the hurricane, we received over 32" of rain from the hurricane (after getting over 10 inches of rain the week before), without power/water for 3 weeks and without Internet access for 2 months. I won't re-live the mindset the situation created but suffice it to say priorities rapidly changed and cannabis, other than consumption, was the farthest thing from my mind.
This was the only access up our mountain and I took this shot 2 _months_ after the hurricane:
Unlike most of ya'll, when I dry a harvest I don't hang plants upside down but put the plants in a large cardboard box and direct large amounts of air over them:
Guess what happens when the power goes out, so there's no air circulation, in a dark tent, with the temp in the 80's and they're left in that environment? Not powdery mildew, which you can douche off, but _overwhelming_ fucking mold.
I lost the entire harvest.
I had 20 clones of "The One" that I eventually _did_ remember and put them outside, after about a week in darkness. Luckily, after the hurricane (this is usually the case) the weather was sunny, warm and humid. Even with the near constant overhead flights of rescue helicopters, I wasn't worried in the least about having plants outside in a Prohibition State here in the U.S..
The pilots had _much_ more important things to think/worry about than my now 20 scrawny ass clones.
Believe it or not, I didn't take a lot of pics of all the cannabis destruction but suffice it to say, the clones barely survived. This is what they looked like when I got 'em back in the tent, along with some heavy Type II/Indica SouthEast Lights I knew I was gonna need for sleep in the coming months :
Getting to be my typical Wall 'o Words so let me try to be more succinct This is what they looked like a month ago:
As you can see, 12 of the clones survived and the Type II dominant plants have done much better.
They didn't have to survive a fucking Hurricane in the Mountains.
But guess what? It's not all doom and gloom. A month later those eight clones are doing damn good and one of the Type II staminate plants totally astounded me and believe it or not this is the honest of God's truth, actually "did what I wanted it to do" :
That's just _one_ fucking plant... that has never been topped, fimmed, decapitated, LST'd, HST'd or in any other way fucked with to make it grow more branches.
Ffs, I didn't even talk dirty to it.
I'm going to have to drag it out of the closet here pretty soon to do some rearrangements and bring up the selected pistillate plant to put in the closet so they can have fun, so I'll take some pictures then. I'll get some more pictures of the eight surviving clones, that are doing much much better now 4 months downrange, for the next post.
Less than a week after my last post, this happened:
I Survived A Hurricane In The Mountains
This is going to be the hardest thing I’ve ever written/posted in my almost 70 years of existence. I have not posted here on ICM in over 2 months because Harley and I survived a fucking _hurricane_ in the mountains of Western North Carolina. Unfortunately, my growing companion for the last 5.5...
www.icmag.com
The tl;dr version... my 5 year old grow bud Star the Doberman died of cancer and I buried her the day before the hurricane, we received over 32" of rain from the hurricane (after getting over 10 inches of rain the week before), without power/water for 3 weeks and without Internet access for 2 months. I won't re-live the mindset the situation created but suffice it to say priorities rapidly changed and cannabis, other than consumption, was the farthest thing from my mind.
This was the only access up our mountain and I took this shot 2 _months_ after the hurricane:
Unlike most of ya'll, when I dry a harvest I don't hang plants upside down but put the plants in a large cardboard box and direct large amounts of air over them:
Guess what happens when the power goes out, so there's no air circulation, in a dark tent, with the temp in the 80's and they're left in that environment? Not powdery mildew, which you can douche off, but _overwhelming_ fucking mold.
I lost the entire harvest.
I had 20 clones of "The One" that I eventually _did_ remember and put them outside, after about a week in darkness. Luckily, after the hurricane (this is usually the case) the weather was sunny, warm and humid. Even with the near constant overhead flights of rescue helicopters, I wasn't worried in the least about having plants outside in a Prohibition State here in the U.S..
The pilots had _much_ more important things to think/worry about than my now 20 scrawny ass clones.
Believe it or not, I didn't take a lot of pics of all the cannabis destruction
but suffice it to say, the clones barely survived. This is what they looked like when I got 'em back in the tent, along with some heavy Type II/Indica SouthEast Lights I knew I was gonna need for sleep in the coming months :Getting to be my typical Wall 'o Words so let me try to be more succinct
This is what they looked like a month ago:As you can see, 12 of the clones survived and the Type II dominant plants have done much better.
They didn't have to survive a fucking Hurricane in the Mountains.
But guess what? It's not all doom and gloom. A month later those eight clones are doing damn good and one of the Type II staminate plants totally astounded me and believe it or not this is the honest of God's truth, actually "did what I wanted it to do" :
That's just _one_ fucking plant... that has never been topped, fimmed, decapitated, LST'd, HST'd or in any other way fucked with to make it grow more branches.
Ffs, I didn't even talk dirty to it.
I'm going to have to drag it out of the closet here pretty soon to do some rearrangements and bring up the selected pistillate plant to put in the closet so they can have fun, so I'll take some pictures then. I'll get some more pictures of the eight surviving clones, that are doing much much better now 4 months downrange, for the next post.
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dogzter
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Nice to see you healing.I've been dreading updating this thread since I got back online last month. It's gonna bring back memories I don't necessarily want to think about, now that my life has calmed down but I'm ready to deal with shit now and write about it.
Less than a week after my last post, this happened:
I Survived A Hurricane In The Mountains
This is going to be the hardest thing I’ve ever written/posted in my almost 70 years of existence. I have not posted here on ICM in over 2 months because Harley and I survived a fucking _hurricane_ in the mountains of Western North Carolina. Unfortunately, my growing companion for the last 5.5...www.icmag.com
The tl;dr version... my 5 year old grow bud Star the Doberman died of cancer and I buried her the day before the hurricane, we received over 32" of rain from the hurricane (after getting over 10 inches of rain the week before), without power/water for 3 weeks and without Internet access for 2 months. I won't re-live the mindset the situation created but suffice it to say priorities rapidly changed and cannabis, other than consumption, was the farthest thing from my mind.
This was the only access up our mountain and I took this shot 2 _months_ after the hurricane:
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Unlike most of ya'll, when I dry a harvest I don't hang plants upside down but put the plants in a large cardboard box and direct large amounts of air over them:
View attachment 19147093
Guess what happens when the power goes out, so there's no air circulation, in a dark tent, with the temp in the 80's and they're left in that environment? Not powdery mildew, which you can douche off, but _overwhelming_ fucking mold.
I lost the entire harvest.
I had 20 clones of "The One" that I eventually _did_ remember and put them outside, after about a week in darkness. Luckily, after the hurricane (this is usually the case) the weather was sunny, warm and humid. Even with the near constant overhead flights of rescue helicopters, I wasn't worried in the least about having plants outside in a Prohibition State here in the U.S..
The pilots had _much_ more important things to think/worry about than my now 20 scrawny ass clones.
Believe it or not, I didn't take a lot of pics of all the cannabis destruction
View attachment 19147103
Getting to be my typical Wall 'o Words so let me try to be more succinct
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As you can see, 8 of the clones survived and the Type II dominant plants have done much better.
They didn't have to survive a fucking Hurricane in the Mountains.
View attachment 19147113
But guess what? It's not all doom and gloom. A month later those eight clones are doing damn good and one of the Type II staminate plants totally astounded me and believe it or not this is the honest of God's truth, actually "did what I wanted it to do" :
View attachment 19147143
That's just _one_ fucking plant... that has never been topped, fimmed, decapitated, LST'd, HST'd or in any other way fucked with to make it grow more branches.
Ffs, I didn't even talk dirty to it.
I'm going to have to drag it out of the closet here pretty soon to do some rearrangements and bring up the selected pistillate plant to put in the closet so they can have fun, so I'll take some pictures then. I'll get some more pictures of the eight surviving clones, that are doing much much better now 4 months downrange, for the next post.
CharlesU Farley
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CharlesU Farley
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Things have been progressing quite nicely the last month or so. Here is a shot of the surviving The One Hurricane clones:
And what they look like now:
These plants are now over 4 months old and are just now starting to exhibit the strength and vigor of their source. I've decided I'm not going to impregnate the plants now because of the fucked up environmental conditions they have had to endure since the Hurricane. Have 20 clones from these plants beginning to root now, so those are the ones I'm going fertilize to continue this project, not these.
Here's a shot of the Type II/Indica dominate plants just before flipping them:
I'm running a bit low on Type II seeds and I'm really happy with these non-Hurricane plants, so I decided to let 'em fuck. Here's the pistillate plant:
And the staminate:
Notice the extensive branching on both plants?
The next pic is indicative of something I learned when working a vegetable garden, plants _communicate_ with each other. When I first moved to the mountains, I started a massive vegetable garden with corn, green beans, potatoes, etc. When it was time to harvest, I'm stripping off ears of Seneca Chief corn along a long row and noticed how upright and stretched out the leaf blades were when I started out. By the time I was halfway through the row, the plants on the end of the row started drooping. By the time I reached the last few plants, the leaves were _sagging_. Nothing else had changed, it was a beautiful, clear, sunny fall day.
That's when I realized plants communicate with each other. the plants on the end of the row knew what was coming, that their existence was about to end and there was a noticeable change in their appearance. No doubt you think this is hippy-dippy bullshit but when you've witnessed it, it's kinda hard to deny.
So, why am I blabbering on about this subject? It's because I've got illustrative photographs. Here's a pic of when I first put them in them in the "sex closet". As Borat would say, "It's _sexy_ time!":
When I opened the closet door, this is what I saw:
Notice how the staminate flowers have _leaned_ into the pistillate? As you can tell by the leaf turgor, the plant is not under hydrated and/or sagging as a result of too little water. It's _moving_ itself closer to the pistillate to increase the chances of fertilization!!!!!
That's my reasoning for not decapitating young cannabis plants in a feeble attempt to try and increase yield. Cannabis plants are living entities who respond to their environment, both positively and negatively.
I get cannabis plants to do what I want because I don't abuse them.
And what they look like now:
These plants are now over 4 months old and are just now starting to exhibit the strength and vigor of their source. I've decided I'm not going to impregnate the plants now because of the fucked up environmental conditions they have had to endure since the Hurricane. Have 20 clones from these plants beginning to root now, so those are the ones I'm going fertilize to continue this project, not these.
Here's a shot of the Type II/Indica dominate plants just before flipping them:
I'm running a bit low on Type II seeds and I'm really happy with these non-Hurricane plants, so I decided to let 'em fuck.
Here's the pistillate plant:And the staminate:
Notice the extensive branching on both plants?
The next pic is indicative of something I learned when working a vegetable garden, plants _communicate_ with each other. When I first moved to the mountains, I started a massive vegetable garden with corn, green beans, potatoes, etc. When it was time to harvest, I'm stripping off ears of Seneca Chief corn along a long row and noticed how upright and stretched out the leaf blades were when I started out. By the time I was halfway through the row, the plants on the end of the row started drooping. By the time I reached the last few plants, the leaves were _sagging_. Nothing else had changed, it was a beautiful, clear, sunny fall day.
That's when I realized plants communicate with each other. the plants on the end of the row knew what was coming, that their existence was about to end and there was a noticeable change in their appearance. No doubt you think this is hippy-dippy bullshit but when you've witnessed it, it's kinda hard to deny.
So, why am I blabbering on about this subject? It's because I've got illustrative photographs.
Here's a pic of when I first put them in them in the "sex closet". As Borat would say, "It's _sexy_ time!":When I opened the closet door, this is what I saw:
Notice how the staminate flowers have _leaned_ into the pistillate? As you can tell by the leaf turgor, the plant is not under hydrated and/or sagging as a result of too little water. It's _moving_ itself closer to the pistillate to increase the chances of fertilization!!!!!
That's my reasoning for not decapitating young cannabis plants in a feeble attempt to try and increase yield. Cannabis plants are living entities who respond to their environment, both positively and negatively.
I get cannabis plants to do what I want because I don't abuse them.
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Kimes
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I think you have angered the xxx-censors with too randy pix
CharlesU Farley
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While the temperature upstairs here in the sex closet is easy to regulate, the same definitely cannot be said about the production tents in the basement. The only measurements I _ever_ monitor are the intake temp/humidity of tent 1, the intake of tent 2 and the exhaust temp/ humidity of tent two. A pretty strong cold snap hit several weeks ago and these were typical measurements. The top line is the measurement here upstairs and the bottom three are for the basement:
A little far removed from the ideal temp and temperature for cannabis, wouldn't you say?
In addition to the typical hardiness and vigor of Type II/Indica plants, since I've never babied or coddled my plants, SouthEast Lights has an inherent ability to survive that helps in these types of environments.
With temps this low for several weeks, it kind of put the plants in the production tents downstairs in a state of suspended animation. The pistillates are not anywhere near as developed as the upstairs plant:
However, there are a couple of my helpers who have survived the cold:
Will probably discuss my pollen collection technique (cause it's brutal) and method of storage in the next post, along with lengthening and/or shortening the flowering period by timing the collection of pollen and observing when the first stigmas appear on pistillate plants.
A little far removed from the ideal temp and temperature for cannabis, wouldn't you say?
In addition to the typical hardiness and vigor of Type II/Indica plants, since I've never babied or coddled my plants, SouthEast Lights has an inherent ability to survive that helps in these types of environments.
With temps this low for several weeks, it kind of put the plants in the production tents downstairs in a state of suspended animation. The pistillates are not anywhere near as developed as the upstairs plant:
However, there are a couple of my helpers who have survived the cold:
Will probably discuss my pollen collection technique (cause it's brutal) and method of storage in the next post, along with lengthening and/or shortening the flowering period by timing the collection of pollen and observing when the first stigmas appear on pistillate plants.
CharlesU Farley
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If you've read more than a couple of posts in this thread, you'll know that my methods developing cannabis are drastically different than almost anyone else. I strive to keep things as simple and uncomplicated as possible. In addition, I don't baby/coddle any of my clones or plants, if they survive and thrive in the environment they are in, outstanding. If they don't, they are culled.
I approach pollen collection with the same mindset.
Part of my process to un-Dutch NL, so it wouldn't flower so rapidly, was to hand pollinate the latest appearing stigmas of the pistillate with pollen collected from the last anthers to appear on the staminate. Can't remember now but it took many generations of peforming that process to extend the flowering period to 3-4 months. In the process of learning that technique, I discovered a lot about pollen.
This post is about pollen and its' collection, not selecting staminate plants. But I concentrate of the structure, vigor and smell of the staminate plants for seed production. I used to examine the anthers under a microscope and do a scratch and sniff to determine resin production potential but after 9/11, I decided to forget all the generational record keeping, documentation and journaling. I learned to observe/listen to the plant and select plants for seed that would compliment the pistillate I had selected.
I used to collect pollen in a paper bag after I had shook the shit out of the staminate flowers. Didn't want the pollen escaping and "infecting" my production plants. Would scrape it out of the bag, mix it with some flour (very bad idea!), put it in a 35mm film cannister and put in the freezer. Using this method, after 6-8 months, the pollen mixture was useless. So after I established the tent/tents in the basement and wasn't so concerned with un-intended pollination, my pollen collection method changed.
Here's my highly elaborate collection method now.
I take the selected staminate:
Hack off all of the staminate flowers:
Spray/douche them with water to remove early release pollen from the surfaces and then shake the shit out of them over our dining room table:
I remove the anthers to store only the pollen:
Place the pollen in a storage container:
Then I get the pollen in the freezer in less than 15 minutes from collection. Nothing but pure, compacted pollen goes into the container and there's absolutely no air inside the container.
If you do everything correctly, you end up with this:
I've used pollen that's over a year old and had essentially the same germination rates as fresh. After a year, I found the rates dropped considerable but that may have been because of defrosting, opening the container and re-freezing it.
I'm very tempted to get into the 1:1 versus mass pollination method of seed production but this is long enough as it is and I know there are a hell of a lot more supporters of SamS and TH here on ICM than there are Nevil supporters.
Think I'm going to start a thread here on ICM on what I've learned from Nevil by reading his posts on the MNS forum from 2009-2011, when I was still on a cannabis fora blackout because of the Patriot Act.
I approach pollen collection with the same mindset.
Part of my process to un-Dutch NL, so it wouldn't flower so rapidly, was to hand pollinate the latest appearing stigmas of the pistillate with pollen collected from the last anthers to appear on the staminate. Can't remember now but it took many generations of peforming that process to extend the flowering period to 3-4 months. In the process of learning that technique, I discovered a lot about pollen.
This post is about pollen and its' collection, not selecting staminate plants. But I concentrate of the structure, vigor and smell of the staminate plants for seed production. I used to examine the anthers under a microscope and do a scratch and sniff to determine resin production potential but after 9/11, I decided to forget all the generational record keeping, documentation and journaling. I learned to observe/listen to the plant and select plants for seed that would compliment the pistillate I had selected.
I used to collect pollen in a paper bag after I had shook the shit out of the staminate flowers. Didn't want the pollen escaping and "infecting" my production plants.
Would scrape it out of the bag, mix it with some flour (very bad idea!), put it in a 35mm film cannister and put in the freezer. Using this method, after 6-8 months, the pollen mixture was useless. So after I established the tent/tents in the basement and wasn't so concerned with un-intended pollination, my pollen collection method changed.Here's my highly elaborate collection method now.
I take the selected staminate:
Hack off all of the staminate flowers:
Spray/douche them with water to remove early release pollen from the surfaces and then shake the shit out of them over our dining room table:
I remove the anthers to store only the pollen:
Place the pollen in a storage container:
Then I get the pollen in the freezer in less than 15 minutes from collection. Nothing but pure, compacted pollen goes into the container and there's absolutely no air inside the container.
If you do everything correctly, you end up with this:
I've used pollen that's over a year old and had essentially the same germination rates as fresh. After a year, I found the rates dropped considerable but that may have been because of defrosting, opening the container and re-freezing it.
I'm very tempted to get into the 1:1 versus mass pollination method of seed production but this is long enough as it is and I know there are a hell of a lot more supporters of SamS and TH here on ICM than there are Nevil supporters.
Think I'm going to start a thread here on ICM on what I've learned from Nevil by reading his posts on the MNS forum from 2009-2011, when I was still on a cannabis fora blackout because of the Patriot Act.
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