How to make your own nutrient solution

[sproutco]

The point is not that fertilizer could not be found. The fertilizer I used in my nutrient solution is probably the same as "store bought" premixed liquids. The "store bought" fert. has probably been mixed with water and bottled. Then, you pay for this diluted fert. when you buy these 3 part series fertilizers. They try to claim that there recipe is a secret. Read my thread very carefully and some of these secrets are revealed.

 

[HydroManiac]

I think that if something is that watched they won't even sell it to you. And the trick if they do sell to you is not to buy over 100.00 of stuff at one time.


HM

 

[sproutco]

About the only fertilizer being watched is ammonium nitrate and you can't really get that anymore. So, we use calcium nitrate and potassium nitrate instead.

 

[Guest]

Here ya go bros:

Ammonium nitrate, 5 pound bag, E-bay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/5-lb-Ammonium-N...yZ104233QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Go get your bottle of General Hydroponics Flora Nova. Look at what it says on the package. It's only secret on weed forums, where actual trained horticulturalists and agronomists are in near zero supply, and a high post count substitutes for expertise.

Sproutco's right; It really isn't all that difficult at all to find what you need to mix your own. For instance the Potasssium Nitrate is 100% in Green Light and Spectracide brand stump destroyers; the one at Wal-mart is the one i used to get. I still have the spectracide bottle sitting in my grow room now, and when i was at Wal-Mart two days ago, i cruised the garden center and there it was 12 bottles deep on the shelf: Spectracide Stump Remover, 100% Potassium Nitrate.

They drill holes in the stump, and pour the crystals in, and it overfertilizes the stump, to the point where it nitrogen burns the roots to death.

If you cruise the legal plant sites, you'll see: only weed sites where there's a total lack of real ag. expertise fetish on the various high dollar formulations. Everybody else pretty much laughs their asses off talkig about how they used to buy bottled nutes that are 80% distilled water.

People who grow aquatic plants in aquariums do the same thing. They don't buy those 20 dollar a liter bottle nutrients.

The weed sites are filled with people who (1) sell pot in an inflationary, non-competitive (translate: locked in monopoly) environment who don't pay for ANY of their own supplies, making the customers pay it all

(2) almost NO trained horticulture majors or graduates

(3) a lot of rebel/anarchist/not well educated late teen early twenties crowd, who couldn't bring themselves to speak the "uncool" words: studying agriculture; so they cultivate an aura of 'elite knowledge' by simply pretending they know something that transcends mere homework and actually knowing what one is doing. That doesn't seem ''cool to the chicks" in their book. But i can tell ya that when you show a chick how to mix up 1,000 gallons of nutes for 20 bucks, their eyes pop open wide, and suddenly, you have a whole new aura. Been there, done it, and they dig it.

Money not spent on nutes, and time running across town to the hydro shop is time and money that they can spend at the mall; and they like that.

It's scary to think you might actually have to learn something. But fact is, it's a lot simpler than all these dope forum gurus want you to believe. Radium's in here talking like he knows all about growing, when four months ago, he was in here asking people how to sprout his seeds and if 'red hairs are ok'... don't believe me? Here it is:
Just got my seeds: http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=21257&highlight=radium

First grow dwc: asking about how to move the nutes up, pictures of wilting seedlings, etc. Today, a couple of months later, after investing about 1200 bucks, he's suddenly an expert. (what that means is he bit the bullet and got a 1,000 watt light.)
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=22527&page=1&pp=15&highlight=radium

Asking if red hairs are good or bad:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=30240&highlight=red+hairs

That's the kind of 'knowledge' this 1400 watt cowboy has got. So when you see his name know: he's the perfect example of one who wants to go around advising everybody, but 90% of everything he knows, he bought in a bottle, or took it out of a box.

Period.

Columbian peasants grow 6, 8 foot plants, all the time. They often can't even print their name. Growing out of a bottle is fine. It's not being an expert horticulturalist.

 

[HydroManiac]

Hey -KiNgMaKeR- interesting what you just stated I guess people need to research a little about who there getting advise from and how much they really know.


HM

 

[sproutco]

I just hope that everyone will read this thread completely to get an idea of what a balanced nutrient solution looks like. This may save you a trip to the cannabis infirmary.

 

[sproutco]

bump

 

[BabyHughie]

Go get your bottle of General Hydroponics Flora Nova. Look at what it says on the package. It's only secret on weed forums, where actual trained horticulturalists and agronomists are in near zero supply, and a high post count substitutes for expertise.

The weed sites are filled with people who (1) sell pot in an inflationary, non-competitive (translate: locked in monopoly) environment who don't pay for ANY of their own supplies, making the customers pay it all

(2) almost NO trained horticulture majors or graduates

(3) a lot of rebel/anarchist/not well educated late teen early twenties crowd, who couldn't bring themselves to speak the "uncool" words: studying agriculture; so they cultivate an aura of 'elite knowledge' by simply pretending they know something that transcends mere homework and actually knowing what one is doing. That doesn't seem ''cool to the chicks" in their book. But i can tell ya that when you show a chick how to mix up 1,000 gallons of nutes for 20 bucks, their eyes pop open wide, and suddenly, you have a whole new aura. Been there, done it, and they dig it.

It's scary to think you might actually have to learn something. But fact is, it's a lot simpler than all these dope forum gurus want you to believe.

KingMaker yes that is why we grow weed, so we can be 'cool to the chicks'. Hey ladies check out how big my reservior is. Go ahead, touch it, don't be shy now After that last post I can only wonder if you have ever actually been with a real woman.

I have said it before, I will say it again, ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT KINGMAKER! Talking to us like we are ignorant worthless pieces of shit is not the way to get your message across. If you want to bash Radium for trolling, I can't blame you for that. But why do you feel the need to degrade the entire online cannabis growing community? Im not going to stand for it, and every time I see it, you can be damn sure Im gonna call you on it, until you either leave, or change your attitude.





my apologies sproutco, thank you for all the info, I may have to try this myself, you have done all the work for us!

 

[Guest]

Another grow light cowboy, account's 22 days old, almost 200 posts, flitting from thread to thread advising everybody on everything, from hydroponics to art.

First hydro grow; - this month - can't figure out how to water it:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=31717

can't figure out how a thermostat works:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=31331

and, can't figure out how his light bulbs work:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=31706

...can't figure out how his CO2 unit works:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=31285

And here, actually even wonders whether CO2 feeding works at all; although he paid 3 or 400 bucks for the equipment:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=515766#post515766


For somebody with nearly 200 posts in less than a month, you sure don't seem like the type to be going around advising everybody on how to do anything in here.

Matter of fact, i'd say you
(1) pass on the exorbitant price of your turnkey operation through inflated prices in a black market monopoly,
(2) have no horticultural training,
(3) are a not very well educated, late teens, early twenties type,fixated on how cool growing is, as much as the easy money you make exploiting those who don't know how easy it is.
Whenever you see someone barking like mad, about that "whole community" part, that often as not, means:

"The Market".
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
After the 'I'm the forum police' rant, he clicked the reputation link and left me this note:

where is your grow KINGMAKER? Sure not helping people IN THE COMMUNITY!! My grow thread is already loaded with TONS of quality info that will help people later on. THAT son, is giving back to THE COMMUNITY! You are a tool

So, I told him:

"Pictures, an expert do not make, as we saw in a long list of your incompetencies, all put up there, by me;

yours truly, the anti-troll. And the next time you open your mouth i'm going to rip off another three or four choice statements by you so the people who follow you around can see just what an illiterate dilbert you really are.

Gro-Light cowboy; that's you. You got pictures, you got expensive equipment, and fortunately for you, pot.
Which is one of the easiest plants in the world to grow, as i've been knowing since 1975 when i started growing.

"is it ok for my lightbulb to shake?"
"Help! i can't figure out how to wire up a thermostat!"
I don't know how to turn my CO2 on... will it work if i don't have more equipment? i've gone broke buying all this stuff, so i need help!"

That's your "expertise."

Your expertise is being a blowhard freddie fast fingers, running your mouth when you should be learning how to operate your gear.

Pictures?

LoL. You're fucking hilarious. I don't post pictures of toys i bought. I post information.

Two days ago i had nine posts. You had 179. The reputation points we had referred were roughly the same. Which means that 9/179 = .11

You had roughly one TENTH the "gee thanks" referrals i had, per post.

Dumbass. So sit there and hope the good old boys in the "market" and the n00bs that think you're cool will rep you up in the mutual jackoff practice of spam&rep so you get a great big

"reputation".


Remember b!*ch: i know how much you know, and shoved it in your face while the whole site watched.

With the greatest of ease. Like smashing a mosquito.

No f*****g problem at all."

- - - - - - - - - -
Now you'd think, that someone starting a thread on how to grow pot cheaper, further under the radar, and just as effectively as the more expensive commercial growers' way, would be great news..

The fact is though, those that risk some felony raps to escape going to school, and getting a career, while raping a black market, usually feel the pressure to make sure everybody knows what a bigshot they are.

People have pictures of themselves on boats they bought; but that doesn't mean they understand marine science or boating.
A lot of them can't even get em started without some help;
and that's not wrong, it just means when you see them prancing around the marina, practicing their "Salty Seasoned Sailor" walk, with a drink in their hand, wearing an 'I'm The Captain' hat, and talking about "us old salts" it's kinda funny.
So keep your head as you run through the forums, and remember...

The illegalization of marijuana keeps most certified horticulture personnel far, away. The information shared, about how difficult it is, and how special anyone is, who grows some pot, and all the rush to give 'expert advice',should be taken with a grain of ....well, salt.

Pot is literally, one of the easiest plants on earth to grow to harvest. Remember the report by the United Nations in May, describing the reason for the "pandemic spread" of marijuana use, in spite of (yet another group of self-certifyng, "experts in the field''s) efforts to suppress it? That it's so easy to grow, and so hard to kill.

Now what's so exotic and amazing about growing that?

Nothing. It's just a way to make farming not seem like farming. Because that's not as cool sounding. But being an 'activist' helping hundreds' in 'the movement', now that.... well hell, that's downright gnarly, dude. And if there's almost no chance of getting caught while milking out the 'movement' on somebody elses' bandwidth, crashing threads, talking tough while you sit around waiting for the next tax-free cash crop to turn over -so you can take still more photos of it -well, that's even more "exciting."

Except it's really, just farming.

 

[BabyHughie]

LOL thank you for showing the chronicle of my new grow room KINGMAKER. I did a bunch of things I have never done before, but the end result has been all butter.

You say 'can't figure out how a thermostat works', well yes it is true. Not sure how that relates to me not being able to grow herbs though.

You say, 'First hydro grow; - this month - can't figure out how to water it', not sure where you get that out of my post, but PLEASE, do post the quote where I say this is my first hydro grow. First grow with ebb and flow buckets, YES, first hydro grow, NO.

You say, 'and, can't figure out how his light bulbs work', AGAIN, not sure where you get that out. It was my first time trying to run a 1k MH bulb in a 6" cool tube, and what I found was that it was not a safe thing to do. How that equates to 'can't figure out how my light bulbs work', is beyond me. But PLEASE, do elaborate on how the question of a shaking bulb being safe has anything to do with figuring out how my light bulbs work.

You say, '...can't figure out how his CO2 unit works', when the thread is poses the question of whether or not to run CO2, and has absolutely nothing to do with how my co2 generator works.

You say, 'And here, actually even wonders whether CO2 feeding works at all; although he paid 3 or 400 bucks for the equipment'. Yes, I do wonder whether it works, I have yet to do what I would consider a full grow with co2. Until I have done a run all things the same except CO2, I am not going to comment on the effectiveness of it.


You see, anyone who wants to actually click your links will see right through your feeble attempt to discredit me. Nice try though.

Your assumptions about me are just that, assumptions. Backed with no proof whatsoever, with the exception of a few threads that may prove quite helpful to others in the future.

My grow is posted RIGHT HERE in the hydro forum for anyone and everyone to see, and within 3 months I will have had a full run, fully documented, for everyone to watch.

I do not see your grow anywhere Not a single budshot in your gallery. Do you even grow herbs? One can only speculate at this point.


You have shown yourself to be both pompous and arrogant. As I said before, when I see this, I am going to call you out on it, until you either LEAVE, or CHANGE YOUR ATTITUDE!

WOW HOW DID I MISS THIS???

Whenever you see someone barking like mad, about that "whole community" part, that often as not, means:

"The Market".

Before, I was laughin at you. Now you got me angry HOLMES. I have been a member of this COMMUNITY SINCE THE BEGINING, and it sincerly saddens my heart to see pieces of work like yourself infecting it with the whole MINE IS BIGGER mentality.

My first ever grow was documented right here on this site, and with the help of some REAL GURUS who actually care about THE COMMUNITY, it was great success. And with the exception of a ONE grow, EVERY grow from that point on has been a great success, WHY, because of this great site, THIS COMMUNITY of growers, this network of people with a common goal, to grow great herb. We share experience, and in the end we all grow great herb.

You are a chump my friend.


sproutco, real sorry about all this. This is a VERY informative thread that will help many people in the long run.

Another grow light cowboy, account's 22 days old, almost 200 posts, flitting from thread to thread advising everybody on everything, from hydroponics to art.

First hydro grow; - this month - can't figure out how to water it:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=31717

can't figure out how a thermostat works:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=31331

and, can't figure out how his light bulbs work:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=31706

...can't figure out how his CO2 unit works:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=31285

And here, actually even wonders whether CO2 feeding works at all; although he paid 3 or 400 bucks for the equipment:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....5766#post515766


For somebody with nearly 200 posts in less than a month, you sure don't seem like the type to be going around advising everybody on how to do anything in here.

Matter of fact, i'd say you
(1) pass on the exorbitant price of your turnkey operation through inflated prices in a black market monopoly,
(2) have no horticultural training,
(3) are a not very well educated, late teens, early twenties type,fixated on how cool growing is, as much as the easy money you make exploiting those who don't know how easy it is.
Whenever you see someone barking like mad, about that "whole community" part, that often as not, means:

"The Market".

 

[sproutco]

I took the time to try and explain how to make your own nutrient solution. This is partly because it is alot of fun to do. Please, lets stay on the topic of the thread.

 

[BabyHughie]

last post in response to your garbage MR. KINGMAKER.

Anybody who wants to take the time to follow the links you posted will see that you have no ground to stand on trying to discredit me, plain and simple. It is not worth the effort to argue with you, because attempting to get through to people like yourself is much like having a conversation with a rock.

Pictures, an expert do not make, as we saw in a long list of your incompetencies, all put up there, by me;

yours truly, the anti-troll. And the next time you open your mouth i'm going to rip off another three or four choice statements by you so the people who follow you around can see just what an illiterate dilbert you really are.

Gro-Light cowboy; that's you. You got pictures, you got expensive equipment, and fortunately for you, pot.
Which is one of the easiest plants in the world to grow, as i've been knowing since 1975 when i started growing.

"is it ok for my lightbulb to shake?"
"Help! i can't figure out how to wire up a thermostat!"
I don't know how to turn my CO2 on... will it work if i don't have more equipment? i've gone broke buying all this stuff, so i need help!"

That's your "expertise."

Your expertise is being a blowhard freddie fast fingers, running your mouth when you should be learning how to operate your gear.

Pictures?

LoL. You're fucking hilarious. I don't post pictures of toys i bought. I post information.

Two days ago i had nine posts. You had 179. The reputation points we had referred were roughly the same. Which means that 9/179 = .11

You had roughly one TENTH the "gee thanks" referrals i had, per post.

Dumbass. So sit there and hope the good old boys in the "market" and the n00bs that think you're cool will rep you up in the mutual jackoff practice of spam&rep so you get a great big

"reputation".


Remember b!*ch: i know how much you know, and shoved it in your face while the whole site watched.

With the greatest of ease. Like smashing a mosquito.

No f*****g problem at all.

I see I have shaken you my good fellow. KINGMAKER, have I told you I love you lately?.. cuz I do

 

[radium-]

you guys got all your info from university studies and what not correct? How many of these studies used marijuana when testing their products? Sproutco and Kingmaker have both neither grown MJ yet they are trying to get others to manually mix up their own nutrients. And on top of this you are copy and pasting info and posting links which means you personally have no knowledge of this, I can post links to brain surgery doesnt mean I can preform it myself tho.

PS: Kingmaker what did the girl look like that was in awe from you mixing up a 20$ worth of nutrients? I've yet to meet a girl facinated by someone stirring water

 

[sproutco]

Radium, plants operate similarly. A solution that was intended for tomatoes, for example, would also grow mj. I added some more information about nutrient levels specifically for mj. This is just before the end of my original post near the references. Take a look at that. Here's a good question for you to try and answer. If I knew exactly what the levels of nutrient were in a "store bought" brand and copied that (maybe with even the same chemical salts), what would be the difference?

 

[Mr GreenJeans]

Hiya sproutco
Some extra Andrew Jacksons in your back pocket! Fab thread man!

If I knew exactly what the levels of nutrient were in a "store bought" brand and copied that (maybe with even the same chemical salts), what would be the difference?

 

[DOGIDOG]

The diference woud be only in ph buffers what they use
its some kind of bufer tey call it ( muratic ) or somehow

I think if 95% world hidro comercial and most of food that you
eat are grown on home made nutes(cose comercial food growers dont use finished products cose thej are to expensiwe for them)
And milions of kilos of food are produced this way ewery day.
This speeaks enuf to say it can be done without problem.
And I hawe asked and look by comercial food productors and
see that they are no miracle and genius many of them dont hawe
nothing than knowlage to read and write (no scools)
So it isnt space teh than only you must know the order in what
you mix nute components to awoid nute lockout.
And only thing beside this components you need is ro wather.
So its not so hard and can be all learned from net.
Try google.
I hawe found many links on net.

 

[sproutco]

I think the store bought fertilizers add maybe potassium carbonate to act as a buffer against the ph dropping too much.

 

[DOGIDOG]

Actuali it is calcium nitrate calcium bufers ph,

premix fertilizers use muratic acid or so i dont remember actual name it is best bufer.

In my country there is no souch supstance comercials use calcium nitrate

with grait sucses.

and one more

lucas formula :for 1000 liters

Ammonium Nitrate 89.85 grams
Calcium Nitrate 465.245 grams
Potassium Nitrate 135.217 grams
Potassium Phosphate 465.318 grams
Magnesium Sulfate 868.787 grams

and you ad microelements in premixed form

look for exsample hier(Gromix Subtil E or d) link

http://www.lemagro.com/Pages/TraceElementsBis.htm

One more lucas formula:for 1000 liters

Calcium Nitrate 515.882 grams
Potassium Nitrate 148.549 grams
Potassium Phosphate 426.904 grams
Magnesium Sulfate 868.686 grams

you also ad micronutrients

This one hawe not amonium nitrate and because of this is

15% lower in nitrogen than orginal lucas.

Before use please check link on first page of post and calculate again in nutient calculator.

 

[mtnjohn]

interesting thread , but i have much better things to do with my time than to search for suppliers , order and then mix my nutes.
i think i'll just use my bottles of store bought.

does anyone here actually do this?....mix your own nutes?

 

[Guest]

Hello all,

You could do all this- or you can go organic and get your ferts from shicken, bat, seabird, worm, alfalfa, comfrey and any number of organic sources.

minds_I

that's it.
although, the guano's aren't even necessary.

good thread anyway, and good info to use as a frame of reference.