As bubbleman could tell you, gland size is a variable. But his cleaning screen method looks really good for high quality.
I get full melt from moderate rubbing on my 120 Micron screen, outdoor product too. Indoor may fragment easier...
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Tutorial How to Make Full Melt Dry Sift!!! photo essay
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As bubbleman could tell you, gland size is a variable. But his cleaning screen method looks really good for high quality.
I get full melt from moderate rubbing on my 120 Micron screen, outdoor product too. Indoor may fragment easier...
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Informative video BM, every reader of this forum who is interested in making very pure dry sift should check it out.
and there's another technique that could be mentioned when talking about ways to either making pure dry sift or cleaning up rough sift into pure ..it's called Rosin which removes some the resin from pressed dry sift. Rosin is the real honey oil. The butane extraction method they call butane honey oil is a misnomer as there is nothing honey about butane at all, the chemical dissolvers should call it butane oil and leave the word honey for the real thing.
Pressed dry sift can be kneaded, squashed and pressed against the insides of a hot metal bowl with a large spoon, the bowl will become lined with a smeared oil that is very potent and can be scraped up with a blade and the lump of hash you started with will be drier and less potent. This "Rosin" is, in many ways is similar to BHO, but without the need to dissolve the plant matter in petrochemicals and rig up a pipe bomb.
and there's another technique that could be mentioned when talking about ways to either making pure dry sift or cleaning up rough sift into pure ..it's called Rosin which removes some the resin from pressed dry sift. Rosin is the real honey oil. The butane extraction method they call butane honey oil is a misnomer as there is nothing honey about butane at all, the chemical dissolvers should call it butane oil and leave the word honey for the real thing.
Pressed dry sift can be kneaded, squashed and pressed against the insides of a hot metal bowl with a large spoon, the bowl will become lined with a smeared oil that is very potent and can be scraped up with a blade and the lump of hash you started with will be drier and less potent. This "Rosin" is, in many ways is similar to BHO, but without the need to dissolve the plant matter in petrochemicals and rig up a pipe bomb.
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BM, I'd suggest some fine tuning for your 60/90 technique...
*ideally, use a table that is wider than the width of 3 frames, this will allow you to move the top screen (60 Mesh) to one side and the bottom screen to the other side...this will make it easier, more efficient and purer.
*the material needs to be very dry and use a very gentle action when moving the plant material around the mesh
*the screen frames and the table should never be touched when there is plant material on the screen, minimize any finger contact with the mesh, this will help prevent contamination being disturbed and falling down through the second mesh.
* the screen frames should be very carefully lifted up separately, never together.
* a small amount of plant material should be gently moved around the mesh for only 5 or 10 seconds at a time then gently lifted and dropped for a few seconds, then the plant material should be removed, the screens cleaned by tapping out the frames upside down and then wiped clean on both sides with a T-shirt for every handful. Then the (A grade) resin under where the two frames were should be carded up and set aside and when the 90 Mesh screen frame has been moved aside and the top of the mesh flicked a few times, the resin (B grade) under this 90 Mesh should be carded up each time too. Then start again with another small handful of material with clean benches and clean meshes,
This a slow process, contrary to what DSW used to say, sure it does only take ten seconds to process a handful of trim, but then it takes ages to clean up before you can grab another handful and there's still plenty of resin on the material afterwards as it's such a gentle method.
*ideally, use a table that is wider than the width of 3 frames, this will allow you to move the top screen (60 Mesh) to one side and the bottom screen to the other side...this will make it easier, more efficient and purer.
*the material needs to be very dry and use a very gentle action when moving the plant material around the mesh
*the screen frames and the table should never be touched when there is plant material on the screen, minimize any finger contact with the mesh, this will help prevent contamination being disturbed and falling down through the second mesh.
* the screen frames should be very carefully lifted up separately, never together.
* a small amount of plant material should be gently moved around the mesh for only 5 or 10 seconds at a time then gently lifted and dropped for a few seconds, then the plant material should be removed, the screens cleaned by tapping out the frames upside down and then wiped clean on both sides with a T-shirt for every handful. Then the (A grade) resin under where the two frames were should be carded up and set aside and when the 90 Mesh screen frame has been moved aside and the top of the mesh flicked a few times, the resin (B grade) under this 90 Mesh should be carded up each time too. Then start again with another small handful of material with clean benches and clean meshes,
This a slow process, contrary to what DSW used to say, sure it does only take ten seconds to process a handful of trim, but then it takes ages to clean up before you can grab another handful and there's still plenty of resin on the material afterwards as it's such a gentle method.
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Both the rosin and the 60/90 methods were first written about on icmag.com. I've surfed around other sites and icmag.com is by far the most informative when it comes to hashish and there's a huge amount of information in the years of posts about hashish on icmag....this is the premier web source of all things hashish.
I remember DSW saying his method was for personal use only, not to be published anywhere else. He was making an attempt to start a small biz selling the screens and the knowledge. Guess there are not many people with morals anymore...
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Guess there are not many people with morals anymore...
Your memory needs a re-read.
I remember differently...DSW spent months here being a total arrogant dick bragging about his technique while dissing everyone else, then he eventually gave it up...then got banned here (getting banned here is not that easy, you really need to try hard to do so, but he managed to get banned here several times and at several other sites, not because "everyone wants to steal my technique" but because he was an obnoxious prick who tried to belittle everyone while spamming his kit.
But hang on though, he was advised to Patent the process, to sell kits with instructions etc but he couldn't be told and then later decided to sell kits, but it was too bad that he had already told everyone to buy the low cost 60 and 90 screens from Poconoscreen dot com, then when his over priced kit came out (how ironic is that when you consider that every second post he wrote was a biased, exaggerated attack on every other dry sifting product...lol) then he told everyone those Pocono screens are not ideal (lol) and started selling slightly different sizes.
The fact of the matter is this technique is good for trim if low yields and high purity is your goal and the exact mesh sizes are not crucial, any size lpi mesh from 80 ~ 120 combined with any mesh within 50 ~ 70 lpi mesh will work well (depending on the starting plant material), the most important factor is dry material, a very gentle action and understanding that the slightest bump will contaminant your A grade resin into B grade.
He posted the technique, there was no instruction or plea not to publish it (give me break, sheesh!) and now there are people out there benefiting from it..and that's a good thing.
Your memory needs a re-read.
I remember differently...DSW spent months here being a total arrogant dick bragging about his technique while dissing everyone else, then he eventually gave it up...then got banned here (getting banned here is not that easy, you really need to try hard to do so, but he managed to get banned here several times and at several other sites, not because "everyone wants to steal my technique" but because he was an obnoxious prick who tried to belittle everyone while spamming his kit.
But hang on though, he was advised to Patent the process, to sell kits with instructions etc but he couldn't be told and then later decided to sell kits, but it was too bad that he had already told everyone to buy the low cost 60 and 90 screens from Poconoscreen dot com, then when his over priced kit came out (how ironic is that when you consider that every second post he wrote was a biased, exaggerated attack on every other dry sifting product...lol) then he told everyone those Pocono screens are not ideal (lol) and started selling slightly different sizes.
The fact of the matter is this technique is good for trim if low yields and high purity is your goal and the exact mesh sizes are not crucial, any size lpi mesh from 80 ~ 120 combined with any mesh within 50 ~ 70 lpi mesh will work well (depending on the starting plant material), the most important factor is dry material, a very gentle action and understanding that the slightest bump will contaminant your A grade resin into B grade.
He posted the technique, there was no instruction or plea not to publish it (give me break, sheesh!) and now there are people out there benefiting from it..and that's a good thing.
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Actually he did say it was for personal use, and not to re post the thread without his permission,it was in is first "how too" post.
Even if you thought DSW was a bit brash but he did spill the beans
on full melt in 10 secs.
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and it only takes 10 seconds!.....lol
I love how he would continually diss every other technique about how long it takes and how fast his tek is. Have you ever actually done this technique? It takes ten ~ 15 seconds just to process 3 or so grams of trim at a time to remove some of the resin, then you have to clean off everything, card up the resin and process another 3 or 4 grams worth of sugar trim. So if you don't count the set up time, the cleaning between each handful of trim and the re-setting up, yeah, it takes only 10 seconds!
I love how he would continually diss every other technique about how long it takes and how fast his tek is. Have you ever actually done this technique? It takes ten ~ 15 seconds just to process 3 or so grams of trim at a time to remove some of the resin, then you have to clean off everything, card up the resin and process another 3 or 4 grams worth of sugar trim. So if you don't count the set up time, the cleaning between each handful of trim and the re-setting up, yeah, it takes only 10 seconds!
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I did not think my memory was that bad yet, thanks Mack... DSW did have some issues, however having to patent something to keep your bros from taking your idea sucks if you ask me.
There is definitely some faulty recall going on here, on both sides. I have the original thread saved, fortunately.
Here is DSW's post from the original thread titled "Case of the Mondays? This should cheer you up. My dry sift technique."
Make of that what you will but to me it appears he only objected to posting the technique to other sites without proper attribution, which is pretty much exactly what's happened, see: bubbleman.
I was a fan of DSW's until he started lying about his technique to cover his ass because he let the horse out of the barn. What started as a supposedly earnest attempt at "saving people from blowing themselves up" quickly turned into... "how can I make money off this?"
Which, hey, I don't blame him for wanting to make some dough off his ideas. He deserved to cash in on the concept considering how long people had been trying to whip up high quality dry sift ala Skunkman's "99.9999" hash. I just don't have any sympathy for someone that shoots them self in the foot and then wants to cry foul. He did it to himself so please, lets keep the moral card out of this, eh?
If we're going to talk morals, bubbleman stole the idea from DSW and started selling screens right away as if it was his concept all along. Frankly, I think both of these guys are shady assholes that aren't deserving of my money but that's just me. I bought screens direct from Pocono for a fraction of the price he is currently charging. Hey, get that money boo boo. I ain't mad at ya. I'm just laughing at the teeny boppers on IG tripping over themselves to pay $200 for two screens that cost $40.
Here is DSW's post from the original thread titled "Case of the Mondays? This should cheer you up. My dry sift technique."
Emphasis added is my own. The last few lines I bolded is to illustrate just how much bullshit DSW has been putting out there to cover his ass, he now claims he doesn't use Pocono screens and the sizes he first mentioned in the thread were not the real LPI numbers he uses. Bullshit on top of bullshit on top of bullshit.
Make of that what you will but to me it appears he only objected to posting the technique to other sites without proper attribution, which is pretty much exactly what's happened, see: bubbleman.
I was a fan of DSW's until he started lying about his technique to cover his ass because he let the horse out of the barn. What started as a supposedly earnest attempt at "saving people from blowing themselves up" quickly turned into... "how can I make money off this?"
Which, hey, I don't blame him for wanting to make some dough off his ideas. He deserved to cash in on the concept considering how long people had been trying to whip up high quality dry sift ala Skunkman's "99.9999" hash. I just don't have any sympathy for someone that shoots them self in the foot and then wants to cry foul. He did it to himself so please, lets keep the moral card out of this, eh?
If we're going to talk morals, bubbleman stole the idea from DSW and started selling screens right away as if it was his concept all along. Frankly, I think both of these guys are shady assholes that aren't deserving of my money but that's just me. I bought screens direct from Pocono for a fraction of the price he is currently charging. Hey, get that money boo boo. I ain't mad at ya. I'm just laughing at the teeny boppers on IG tripping over themselves to pay $200 for two screens that cost $40.
Unless you want them shipped overseas. Pocono say "o no no!" lol.
An don't even get me started on water seperation bags.
Eldon had, i think the original (washing macine and bag idea) He even came to Amsterdam and showed eveyone the tech, he licensed the bags and the xtr to mila. Seems all the xtr's dissapeared? but the idea and the bags went from strengh to strength.
An don't even get me started on water seperation bags.
Eldon had, i think the original (washing macine and bag idea) He even came to Amsterdam and showed eveyone the tech, he licensed the bags and the xtr to mila. Seems all the xtr's dissapeared? but the idea and the bags went from strengh to strength.
Damn, that is a bummer mack. Maybe freight charges make them think they can't be competitive, not enough profit left for them to make it worth their while?
Were you able to source similar screens in your country?
I'm familiar with the bubble bag drama. History sorta repeated itself with DSW's dry sift technique there as far as someone sharing info and then having it taken and run with by others, basically. This scene is littered with schemers and shysters.
Were you able to source similar screens in your country?
I'm familiar with the bubble bag drama. History sorta repeated itself with DSW's dry sift technique there as far as someone sharing info and then having it taken and run with by others, basically. This scene is littered with schemers and shysters.
Eldon came up with Ice-o- later bags, told Mila she could sell them. bubbleman could not make a deal with Mila so he just took the idea, same with DSw tech. I know for a fact about the bags, I was staying at Eldons hose in Kathmandu...
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bubbleman could not make a deal with Mila so he just took the idea
Bubbleman took the original 2 bag system, expanded on the innovation and sold a 3 bag set of bags, then brought a 4, 5, 6 now there's up to 8 bags to a set of Bubblebags. You can be jealous of a businessman like BM or deride his development of the concept, but that's more a reflection on yourself than on BM. ..and it's funny that you accuse BM of stealing ideas, but what about Mila and all the other bag clones out there who now sell bag kits with more than 2 bags? Does BM run around accusing everyone of stealing his 3+ bag idea?
If we're going to talk morals, bubbleman stole the idea from DSW and started selling screens right away as if it was his concept all along.
If you watched Bubbleman's World on you tube you would know that BM has mentioned DSW several times, but since DSW is an obnoxious asshole most of the time, he mentions that "the guy who developed this tec is negative and so I don't want to sing out his name".
Bubbleman took the original 2 bag system, expanded on the innovation and sold a 3 bag set of bags, then brought a 4, 5, 6 now there's up to 8 bags to a set of Bubblebags. You can be jealous of a businessman like BM or deride his development of the concept, but that's more a reflection on yourself than on BM. ..and it's funny that you accuse BM of stealing ideas, but what about Mila and all the other bag clones out there who now sell bag kits with more than 2 bags? Does BM run around accusing everyone of stealing his 3+ bag idea?
If we're going to talk morals, bubbleman stole the idea from DSW and started selling screens right away as if it was his concept all along.
If you watched Bubbleman's World on you tube you would know that BM has mentioned DSW several times, but since DSW is an obnoxious asshole most of the time, he mentions that "the guy who developed this tec is negative and so I don't want to sing out his name".
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Eldon came up with Ice-o- later bags
who got the idea/inspiration from a funnel contraption (was it called the Xtractor? and was a commercial failure) didn't he?
and before that wasn't the original water separation concept first offered by Sadu Sam in the early 80's? And sure, it was technique without bags or meshes, but obviously the idea for bags came indirectly from Sadu Sam's innovation of separating resin heads from plant material with ice cold water..
but for us here who are hashish enthusiasts, should we really care about the commercial background story of some technique or should we work together to get more/better hash making methods and concepts published here so all can work with?
who got the idea/inspiration from a funnel contraption (was it called the Xtractor? and was a commercial failure) didn't he?
and before that wasn't the original water separation concept first offered by Sadu Sam in the early 80's? And sure, it was technique without bags or meshes, but obviously the idea for bags came indirectly from Sadu Sam's innovation of separating resin heads from plant material with ice cold water..
but for us here who are hashish enthusiasts, should we really care about the commercial background story of some technique or should we work together to get more/better hash making methods and concepts published here so all can work with?
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Silly me. How could I miss that? I must have been doing something more exciting, like watching paint dry.
You got a link to any of these videos that supposedly mention DSW several times? I'd like to see if this actually happened or if you're exaggerating the point to defend bubbleman because you seem to have a hair up your ass about DSW.
That doesn't pass my sniff test, anyway. He mentions the guys name and somehow that absolves him from ripping off DSW's technique? Must be nice to live in a world like that.
The bubbleman bit about "he's negative so I won't mention him anymore" is pretty convenient, huh? The guy I ripped off is an asshole so I'm not going to credit him anymore. Sounds more like Bubbleman trying to quiet the cognitive dissonance in his head. Screens are not new but DSW's technique certainly was/is. Bubbleman can't deny that.
That being said, there are no victims here. DSW let the cat out of the bag long before he expressed any interest in selling kits.
Now in 2014, with his own screens to sell, Pocono screens are suddenly junk and the LPI counts are all wrong. What somehow worked wonderfully in 2013 and only cost $75 is now suddenly garbage and all wrong unless you spend $195. Riiiight. It's hard to support any of these ass clowns.
Yes, we should care and we should work to improve upon current methods. They are not mutually exclusive.
Not jealous of anyone for anything. I have stated my opinion. Stick a fork in me, i am done here. Ester has left this thread...
water hash goes back futher than that, a german guy in india (i think)
he was known as the ice cream man.
they diverted an ice glacier at the top of a mountain.
made a hoist that could lower bales of weed at a time into the ice water,
which was funneled down a pipe where a screen caught the resin.
full melt on a field scale, and this was early 80's i think,
i will try and find the article. the pics where crazy.
all hail the ice cream man!
he was known as the ice cream man.
they diverted an ice glacier at the top of a mountain.
made a hoist that could lower bales of weed at a time into the ice water,
which was funneled down a pipe where a screen caught the resin.
full melt on a field scale, and this was early 80's i think,
i will try and find the article. the pics where crazy.
all hail the ice cream man!
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excellent mack10, please post that article if you can find it.
and regarding DSW's method...pffff, spare me the sermon from high Mount Morals . He posted the method on this hash forum and from that moment on the method became public knowledge, so ethics, morals, rights and Patents just don't come into it. We live in an relatively open and free market system, thank goodness for that as the alternative sucks big time. And as has been mentioned several times, there were lots of posters urging him to Patent the idea or to sell the method in some way just the method would become public, but since we were all smucks, he didn't listen then slowly but surely shot himself in the foot a couple of times.
DSW started off being a total dick,like many first time posters online, he came across as an ego driven asshole bully then gradually learned the hang of it without pissing too most people off. I'd like to see DSW rejoin here, he's more than just a one-trick pony and is one of the most knowledgeable and experienced dry sifters around, his knowledge and help here would be an asset, but I wonder if he would be capable of writing a post without reference to how good his method is or not getting sucked into shit talking with hecklers or heaven forbid, about any other method thanhis? Also would be good if DSW could advertise here too ..and in all fairness, the kit DSW sells contains more than just two frames,that's why it costs more than the Poconon frames.
and regarding DSW's method...pffff, spare me the sermon from high Mount Morals . He posted the method on this hash forum and from that moment on the method became public knowledge, so ethics, morals, rights and Patents just don't come into it. We live in an relatively open and free market system, thank goodness for that as the alternative sucks big time. And as has been mentioned several times, there were lots of posters urging him to Patent the idea or to sell the method in some way just the method would become public, but since we were all smucks, he didn't listen then slowly but surely shot himself in the foot a couple of times.
DSW started off being a total dick,like many first time posters online, he came across as an ego driven asshole bully then gradually learned the hang of it without pissing too most people off. I'd like to see DSW rejoin here, he's more than just a one-trick pony and is one of the most knowledgeable and experienced dry sifters around, his knowledge and help here would be an asset, but I wonder if he would be capable of writing a post without reference to how good his method is or not getting sucked into shit talking with hecklers or heaven forbid, about any other method thanhis? Also would be good if DSW could advertise here too ..and in all fairness, the kit DSW sells contains more than just two frames,that's why it costs more than the Poconon frames.
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