How to make a soilless mix

[Guest]

I'm not trolling. I am honestly asking if you have actually tried this mix with cannabis for yourself.

It sure sounds like you're speaking from experience, but are you really?

This is not trolling, this is getting to facts.

So sproutco, have you grown cannabis in this mix????

I know if I hadn't tried it for myself, I wouldn't post an authoritative thread about it like I had actually done it and tested it before some poor shmuck comes along to be my guinea pig.

 

[stretchpuppy]

So sproutco, have you grown cannabis in this mix????

I know if I hadn't tried it for myself, I wouldn't post an authoritative thread about it like I had actually done it and tested it before some poor shmuck comes along to be my guinea pig.

He makes a good point...

Forget about "In this mix" - I'd like to know if you grow cannabis in general?

 

[pieceofmyheart]

Well good lord, instead of harassing the guy, search through his posts and he tells everyone that he has grown but he is in a situation at the moment that it isnt prudent to do it.

I call my mix soil because it looks like soil but I guess it is soiless.......semantics....is that enough reason to harass someone?

 

[stretchpuppy]

I call my soil(less) mix "soil" as well... I agree it is semantics at this point...

I mean, who goes in the woods with a shovel and fills up 5gal buckets with true "soil"? You're lucky if you have the fertile ground to do that with...

To be honest I'd rather have someone who is established and a proven grower on these forums giving me advice, afterall that is why I originally found IC..., and why CH has a point IMHO.

 

[sproutco]

Sure I have grown. You don't have to take my advice. Give me some advice while your at at. I am always still learning. Sometimes people do use field soil like "in the woods" to grow plants in greenhouses. Not really something done in modern times.

 

[pieceofmyheart]

To be honest I'd rather have someone who is established and a proven grower on these forums giving me advice, afterall that is why I originally found IC..., and why CH has a point IMHO.

Then go to a thread by someone who you feel is a proven grower and have them give you advice. I didn't see anywhere that said you had to take sprouts advice or anyone else's that you don't feel comfortable with.

 

[stretchpuppy]

Then go to a thread by someone who you feel is a proven grower and have them give you advice. I didn't see anywhere that said you had to take sprouts advice or anyone else's that you don't feel comfortable with.

Well FINE. I will.

 

[Guest]

Well good lord, instead of harassing the guy, search through his posts and he tells everyone that he has grown but he is in a situation at the moment that it isnt prudent to do it.

Sproutco deleted a few things you didn't get to see in one of my threads AND this one, that's why I'm questioning his growing and his advice.

About growing, he's had about 5 different lies he's told and that's just what I've seen............

Peace,
CH

 

[vonforne]

I mean, who goes in the woods with a shovel and fills up 5gal buckets with true "soil"? You're lucky if you have the fertile ground to do that with...

If you are a true "organic grower" you will know that in doing this (filling a 5 gal. pail with soil) you will inoculate your mix with benefical microbs. In nature, you get a much more diverse mixture of them. I have done this recently to my compost pile I am building. And if you don't have "fertile soil" make it then. Make a compost pile outside somewhere. It only takes a 3' x 3' space.

 

[slater]

i always thought of my pro mix bx to be a soilless mix...but my hydro guy says no, its concidered a soil mix....i still believe what i said...he is the same persone who said pbp was a two part nute....even though its a one part...grow, one part....bloom one part.....confusing

 

[sproutco]

promix = soilless

 

[dre86]

Sproutco, are you growing atm?

Why are none of the pics in your gallery yours?

 

[sproutco]

No I don't grow right now. I have security problems. The majority of the pictures in my gallery are from helping people in the cannabis infirmary or other threads, my stupid humor, and adding color to any thread to liven things up. I am high right now...Does that count? LOL.

 

[inflorescence]

3 pounds of lime per cubic yard of peatmoss This is a low rate of lime because it is better to underlime than overlime. More lime can be used like 5 pounds per yard

For the lazy folks, 2 pound per yard lime rate would be 3/4 teaspoon per gallon of soil mix or 1.75 tablespoons per cubic foot. The 3 pound lime rate per yard of soil would be 1 1/8 teaspoon per gallon or 2.6 tablespoons per cubic foot of soil. The 5 pound lime rate per yard would be 2 teaspoons per gallon or 4.5 tablespoons per cubic foot of soil. 1.5 pounds gypsum per yard would be 3/4 teaspoon per gallon of soil or 1 3/4 tablespoon per cubic foot of soil.

I always thought it was 1-2 TBS per gallon, not 1-2 teaspoons?

 

[Guest]

According to the OG facts,and everything I've heard over the years online,its definately tablespoons.

 

[inflorescence]

Yeah, I was assuming sproutco just made a typo. I mean he seems to know the math, and since I'm way too lazy to check his calculations I just wanted to confirm it was tbsp and not tsp.
Sproutco, if your reading this did you mean to type tbsp or does your math really equal tsp because even at the highest rate of 5 pounds per yard your rate of 2 tsp would be 66% less than what is commonly refered too.

 

[sproutco]

No typo guys. Its teaspoons. This is a low rate of lime. Just enough to get your ph to start in the upper 5 ph range. Remember, soilless mixes work best with a ph range of 5.6 to 6.2 not 6.5 or even 7. This is really sorta low. You adjust the ph of your fert water to 5.8 to 6 so your not depending on the lime really to buffer the soil. With this low rate of lime, the mix ph will follow the water ph you apply pretty well. You can raise or lower ph in the mix just with each fert application. Higher or lower as you desire. Alot of nitrate nitrogen will raise soil mix ph and ammonium or urea nitrogen will lower it. Be sure to make some small batches of you soil mix and test out your different lime rates you thought about using. Pick the one that gets you into range and not over or under. With a low rate of lime, some calcium and magnesium should be applied in the water. No problem. Use calcium nitrate or gypsum for calcium and magnesium sulfate or magnesium nitrate for getting some magnesium.

2 Tablespoons of lime per gallon of soil would be 17.3 pounds lime per yard or 27 cubic feet. I don't suggest going over 10 pounds per yard or 27 cubic feet. This is alot of lime and your going to end up overliming and with a ph too high. Do test batches of soil to make sure your not over or under doing it.

 

[Guest]

I've always used 2 tbls even with ocean forest and my soil ph is normally around 6.8,I've never seen it go over 7.I'm thinking of cutting back to a tablespoon with the ocean forest I think that will be enough.How much cal-mag per gallon do you use sproutco 1 oe 2 teaspoons,I jst got some,didnt know it was so cheap

 

[sproutco]

To boost your cal mag, I suggest 30 ppm magnesium and 60 ppm calcium. I use gypsum + epsom for this. Sometimes calcium nitrate. If you look on the cal mag bottle, it should give you some many ml adds so many ppms calcium and so many ppms magnesium.

Here is the label from one:

Cal-Mag Plus bottle

Quote:
2-0-0
Two tsp (10ml) will achieve a supplement of:
Nitrogen (N) 52 ppm
Calcium (Ca) 83 ppm
Magnesium (Mg) 31 ppm
Iron (Fe) 2.5 ppm
Guaranteed Minimum Analysis
Total Nitrogen (N) 2.0%
1.94% Nitrate Nitrogen
0.06% Water Soluble Organic Nitrogen
Calcium (Ca) 3.2%
Magnesium (Mg) 1.2%
Iron (Fe) 0.1%
0.1% Chelated Iron
Derived From: Calcium Nitrate, Magnesium Nitrate, and Iron edta

10 ml should be plenty in this example.

I add cal mag to my low lime soil every third fert or so to boost levels. You can add this low rate everytime if the lime is running out or levels need boosting.

Note: this cal mag formula example does not contain valuable sulfur. See the link below about sulfur in my signature. Both epsom and gypsum contain sulfur. This example is nitrate based. It also would add nitrogen you might not want in flower.

 

[MedUser420]

Sproutco- Is this mix soil or soilless?

1 part Ocean Forest
1 part coco coir
1 part perlite
dolomite lime

and what is the optimal ph for this mix?