How to grow "safely" without buying a house..?

[Pancake5765]

3-4K lighting is not a plug and play thing. A noob with that much light and heat is going to end up with poopyBuds and a lot of bills. Plus the beefer wiring and electrical safety to worry about.

I would say start with one 1K. when you can get over one pound there then add a light after each harvest until you max out "you and your rooms potential". You'll have to upgrade your cooling and ventilation systems as you go too, but still it is better to step up to whatever goal you have.


And just to throw one more thing in there. You can get those 5-6lbs using a dialed in 6 light 600w setup. less heat, less cooling bills, less stress to circuit breakers and such....... heck you can get over a half pound on a 250W setup if you take your time to learn the plant and grow.

 

[wilburn]

Find an acceptable warehouse and an acceptable Landlord.

 

[PermaBuzz]

Find an older trailer park (but not too old).
Old doublewides in a park that is mostly singlewide trailers are best.
That way, you get more room but still the lower rent of an old park.
Also older trailers have higher utility bills so that works in our favor.

A singlewide trailer could also work too. Ive seen quite a few singlewide for free on CL.
Alot of trailer parks are like half vacant right now. They'll take anybody and wont be nosy about your affairs - especially if you can pay rent on time and cut the grass.

The cops dont come by as much. Policing for the piddly/midlevel stuff is largely done by park management. The LL doesnt have the key to your trailer so yes, you will have more privacy than an apt. house where the LL has a key.

You too can become a trailer park boy

 

[Yes4Prop215]

owning the house doesnt solve all the problems...you get the added worry of the cops seizing your property if you get caught....but yeah its nice not having a landlord..

 

[tokinafaty420]

Owning vs. renting.... ahh this great debate.

Owning = no nosey landlords snooping around.... but if you get caught your property is subject to being confiscated.

Renting = possible unwanted visits... but won't lose hundreds of thousands of dollars if you get caught.

You need to weigh out the pros and cons on your own. No one here can give you really good advice as none of us know the situation in your area or your own special circumstances.

 

[ibjamming]

owning the house doesnt solve all the problems...you get the added worry of the cops seizing your property if you get caught....but yeah its nice not having a landlord..

Owning vs. renting.... ahh this great debate.

Owning = no nosey landlords snooping around.... but if you get caught your property is subject to being confiscated.

Renting = possible unwanted visits... but won't lose hundreds of thousands of dollars if you get caught.

You need to weigh out the pros and cons on your own. No one here can give you really good advice as none of us know the situation in your area or your own special circumstances.

Would they really try to seize your house with just a few (under 10) plants and NO sign of anything but personal use? If so, it needs to go all the way to the Supreme Court. Because that punishment is much too severe for growing (for personal use) a natural...made by God...plant that can't hurt anyone but me. If you feel you MUST protect me from myself smoking weed...than surely I must be protected for fast food, cigarettes, alcohol, and dirty women...all MUCH more dangerous.

No, it's ALL about the money. The police want your property so they can improve their department. The government keeps cigarettes around because they're addicted to the tax money it brings in. Besides, cancer affects old people...people collecting social security and medicare...let them die...it saves us money.

I still can't believe that the government can ban a plant...the plant was here long before ANY government...it will be here long after they're all gone. Where do they get the right to deny me nature?

How did we let this happen? How did they get so powerful? When did I lose my own self determination? When did I lose the right to make my own choices? When was I enslaved?

 

[Yes4Prop215]

^well if the cops can prove that you are paying the mortgage with funds attained from growing and selling cannabis on the black market...then yeah they can seize your property. they just gotta prove that you are walking into the bank with grow profits.

now if say, that property mortgage payment is being paid monthly by a tenant or by another source that has a legit income then theres not much they can do. if all you are doing is growing, then they cant do shit.

my friend has a huge mortgage and pays all his shit with grow profits...he got raided and they didnt even do shit about the house, and hes still paying off that mortgage. so its really a case by case basis. if you own a 1.2 million dollar luxury home the feds might be more interested than if you own a gutted POS home with holes in all the walls for exhaust fans, etc...

another thing I THINK you can do....is if you are the property owner..."rent it out". what i mean is...rent your house to a ghost who grows. get an identity somehow, and if the raid happens play dumb. "i rented this house to this man officers" im guessing thats another way out but im not 100% on that.

 

[huntingbb]

^well if the cops can prove that you are paying the mortgage with funds attained from growing and selling cannabis on the black market...then yeah they can seize your property. they just gotta prove that you are walking into the bank with grow profits.

now if say, that property mortgage payment is being paid monthly by a tenant or by another source that has a legit income then theres not much they can do. if all you are doing is growing, then they cant do shit.

my friend has a huge mortgage and pays all his shit with grow profits...he got raided and they didnt even do shit about the house, and hes still paying off that mortgage. so its really a case by case basis. if you own a 1.2 million dollar luxury home the feds might be more interested than if you own a gutted POS home with holes in all the walls for exhaust fans, etc...

another thing I THINK you can do....is if you are the property owner..."rent it out". what i mean is...rent your house to a ghost who grows. get an identity somehow, and if the raid happens play dumb. "i rented this house to this man officers" im guessing thats another way out but im not 100% on that.

+1
Hey frankly though (to op) fark the bullshit brother. Just grow. Run two small rooms - look at the guys who pimp that shit well. if there's one thing I've learned here its 1 plant can produce anywhere from nothing to 10 or 15 lbs (200-500gal containers). A 400w light can produce anything from nothing to a lb (massively optimal setup, veg+scrog iirc).

 

[Marshall]

What dont people get about house seizures? People keep saying " oh if you own, you will loose your house"

I am not going to say you are wrong but that is a very blanket statement that in reality is not true.

They will ONLY seize items that are lien free or have equity. LEO does not want a 50K BMW that you owe 40k on. They do not want your million dollar house if you owe 800-900k.

The lien-holder has a secured interest in the item. LEO MUST pay them off.

They WILL seize a BMW worth 50K if you owe 10K. They can easily pay the lien holder off, and sell for a quick profit, or keep for their own use (undercover etc)


ANY GROWER who uses a house for growing and has a ton of equity in it, is a dumbass, plain and simple.


And they DO NOT have to prove you paid for the item with drug money. YOU have to prove you paid for it with LEGIT money.



They can seize anything they want at the time of arrest if the warrant covers it. And they may keep it for months or longer but eventually they have to give it back to you or the lien holder


Asset forfeiture laws are tricky and favor LEO heavily




Having a fake lease may help and it cant hurt. But I doubt it will work. If they are watching they will see you coming and going, talk to the neighbors, etc. It would not be hard for them to figure who was running it

 

[megatrom]

I don't really want to rent because I lose my rights. If I was living at the grow location 24/7 I don't think renting would be a bad idea but I'll only be there every couple of days..


Yes.. I have tons of good ideas about places to grow but getting land is always a problem..

I'd like to rent BUT I feel like security wouldn't be the best as I'd only be there every 2-3 days.. I don't like the idea of a landlord coming around while I'm not there.



Party houses sound pretty good! Except most likely they'd be right downtown but I guess if stealthy enough it could work.

Where did you put this bus?


I've seen these too! They look PERFECT and are really cheap..
The only problem is finding land to put it on!

I don't even know how to start looking for land for one of these..

Wouldn't it be wierd to have just an office trailer on a piece of land?

Do they sell pieces of land that are "small" in rural/private areas?

Any help on this would be great as I love the idea of using one of these!

I guess it would depend on were you live. My father use to have an asphalt business and had one of these bad boys in his "yard". This yard is were he kept all his equipment i.e. dump truck, steam roller, materials etc., and the trailer was his office. He leased this "yard" and owned the trailer. My point is, look in the paper for local land to lease, usually in an industrial area, and slap one of these bad boys on them. Oh yea, the best part was, 8ft. barbed wire padlocked chain link surrounded the whole premises so no one could steal his equipment. Not even the landlord could come snoop around. He was locked out. That sounds very doable.

Oh and anytime, anyone gets caught, there are some rights that the defendant is entitled to, rights that supersede all other rights and are entitled to every case no matter what, rights that make the prosecutors job difficult, and that is the state have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt....that you were growing, and growing for profit. That means if anyone of those 12 jurors is not thoroughly convinced, if they have just an incline of a doubt they can not find you guilty. I know, I know, that doesn't mean shit if they have you dead to rights, but it does help when it comes time to cop a plea. Why? Because time is money, and like anything else, the attorney, the judge, the court, everyone wants to settle that shit out of court. Moral of the story is, you will probably get to keep the property if this is your first offense, and the state your living and even your county laws aren't draconian.

 

[Marshall]

Oh and anytime, anyone gets caught, there are some rights that the defendant is entitled to, rights that supersede all other rights and are entitled to every case no matter what, rights that make the prosecutors job difficult, and that is the state have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt....that you were growing, and growing for profit. That means if anyone of those 12 jurors is not thoroughly convinced, if they have just an incline of a doubt they can not find you guilty. I know, I know, that doesn't mean shit if they have you dead to rights, but it does help when it comes time to cop a plea. Why? Because time is money, and like anything else, the attorney, the judge, the court, everyone wants to settle that shit out of court. Moral of the story is, you will probably get to keep the property if this is your first offense, and the state your living and even your county laws aren't draconian.

Holy shit, what dont you people get about seizures? It is completely separate from the criminal case and YOUR guilt or innocence has NOTHING to do with it.

When the state or feds seize your stuff, they take it right away. Maybe not a house but anything they can remove like cars, money, jewelry, motorcycles, etc will be removed and will be gone before you get to bond out.

They then file a suit against the PROPERTY, not you. It is up to you to prove the property is INNOCENT.

You will need an attorney as the laws on this are tricky. You may be able to negotiate a deal to get some of your stuff back. They will keep some, you keep some.



I have experienced this personally so I speak from EXPERIENCE.

 

[megatrom]

Yes, but Mr. Marshal, I've seen it on 2 seperate occasions with to different people, and in the one instant yes everything including the house was confiscated, and the other (which was a federal rap) of a much more illicit substance, and the individual had affiliations was some very dangerous organizations overseas. This gave the D.E.A. a hard on. The D.E.A. came down on him like hellfire. Threatened him with everything, but he clammed up and bought a high powered attorney, copped a plea served 10. Maybe keeping his stuff was part of his plea, but if it was it most certainly had to with the criminal case. He owned everything outright. And just like you said, they have to eventually give it back. I know the state I was living in, the police could confiscate your belongings if it was profit recieved from drug money, but it had to be proven. They weren't allowed to just keep it. Know if theres a mortgage and the banks can sieze it, well that's a whole different story. He got out last year, and guess what? He still had his house, car, harley, furniture and everything else that was on his property that was there when he got locked up.

the first person that I knew, was low level, and used a public defender, and guess what? They took everything, and this was a local police operation. So yes the laws are tricky, but you couldn't possible sit hear and tell me that they sieze 100% of the time. Still, it's best to proceed with caution. Hey it's not like we don't know the risk we all take here. This is definitly not for the faint of heart, and some serious risk assesment needs to be considered. With that being said, every situation is unique accompinied by it's own individual nuances.

 

[Marshall]

the crime is a criminal case and the seizure is a civil case. Two separate issues. My criminal case is pending but all seizure issues have been resolved, I kept some, they kept some. On a bigger fed case, sure they may make a package deal but they do not have to.

The issue here is we are talking about grow houses and possibly owning the house you grow in. I hear people over and over saying owning is risky because you will loose the house. That is not true unless you own it outright or have tons of equity. IF YOU BUY A GROWHOUSE AND PAY IT OFF, YOU ARE A FUCKING DUMBASS.

Furthermore your post clearly implies that the seizure depends on your guilt or innocence or if this is your first offense. That is not true at all.

If the arresting agency has a habit of seizing stuff, yes they will seize all the time. In my area, you can go to the courthouse and see all the notices, they seize guns, cars, 4 wheelers, jewelry etc. Whatever they can get their grubby paws on. They dont give a shit if its your first arrest or 100th.


We are not talking about all the toys and assets one acquires doing this, that is a different thread