How to get to Peace and Freedom

[Captain Red Eye]

This thread is to facilitate discussion on how to get to peace and rightful freedom.

The video below is meant to be a historical background opener of how we got where we are today. I imagine the thread will probably expand beyond that. The video starts a little slow, but it does have some good general information.

 

[nepalnt21]

i'm more interested in how to get the new paradigm rather than how we got here...

 

[Captain Red Eye]

i'm more interested in how to get the new paradigm rather than how we got here...

The short answer is to stop supporting the things that brought the present paradigm.

Obviously, there are forces that will harm people if they do that. That's a real and dangerous obstacle.
Humans have an instinctive harm avoidance and will abandon principles (if they even have any that don't self- contradict) and defer to something wrong if the whip is shown to them.

Some of that force originates from the self-declared master's rules and some comes from the fellow serfs who fear change or haven't considered or don't know there are more just alternatives. "Slave on slave violence" is real and aids the present paradigm.

The difficulty in a paradigm shift is magnified since most people are obedient followers, "think" emotionally rather than logically and don't value justice for others as part of the process. Instead, they defer to authority as having the "right answers" and then move on with that as a foregone but erroneous conclusion. Most of us were indoctrinated and most still don't know how we got to the present paradigm or even why we should move away from it.

I'm not trying to be evasive, we'll get there. I'm not done identifying the problem yet. I'll probably post a few more videos and go from there.


What did you agree with or disagree with in the video?

 

[Captain Red Eye]

 

[Captain Red Eye]

 

[shiva82]

i'm more interested in how to get the new paradigm rather than how we got here...

that much is obvious . spineless

 

[Captain Red Eye]

In the video commentary many people raised a valid concern "what would stop a giant warlord from emerging and forcing us all to obey them"? They seem not to realize that's already happened and we live under that circumstance now...giant warlords are the origins of a coercion-based government.

Also other concerns were raised in the comments, I think bit butter did a good job of addressing much of that in his replies to the commentary a bit lower in the video comments section.

 

[nepalnt21]

that much is obvious . spineless

spineless cause i wanna make the world a better place?

that's literally the opposite of true, and if you disagree....

 

[shiva82]

spineless cause i wanna make the world a better place?

that's literally the opposite of true, and if you disagree....

is ignorance bliss for you?

 

[nepalnt21]

is ignorance bliss for you?

i'm interested in history, truth be told my wife's the history buff... i'd rather get my history from her or history books, not some guy on the internet whose main stated goal (no offense sassqu) is to take down all governments...

my comment was also rhetorical, i wanted to press capn for that cause i think we spend a lot of time on the whys and the hows of government shitfuckery, not enough time on how to move to something better.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

i'd rather get my history from her or history books, not some guy on the internet whose main stated goal (no offense sassqu) is to take down all governments...

No offense taken. You have misstated my main goal though.

I'm a Voluntaryist Panarchist. I am for peaceful evolution, not for violent revolution. Violent revolution only shifts who sits on the throne, it doesn't usually increase individual liberty. I'm against initiatory violence, governments are not. Forcible removal of consent is the cornerstone of their business model.

My goal isn't to prevent you from joining with like-minded people to have a serf utopia or whatever you might like for yourself. I just don't want anyone to forcibly include people like me who are peaceful and disinterested in being a serf being forced into ideas we haven't consented to. I've asked you to describe what your political / philosophical bent is and I'm still unsure. You haven't told me.

Being peaceful and owning myself and any justly acquired property I might have, I'm under no agreement with anyone to be included in their ideas without my consent. I own myself, but I don't own other people.

Did you make agreements to be forcibly included in other's ideas?

Also, the source of the truth can be interesting, but once set free, the truth stands alone.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

 

[nepalnt21]

that video demonstrates that anarchists are the KINGS of meandering around on circuitous, autistic (the old definition) rants about the same thing over and over without ever giving new information that anyone over the age of 12 hasn't already thought about

 

[Captain Red Eye]

that video demonstrates that anarchists are the KINGS of meandering around on circuitous, autistic (the old definition) rants about the same thing over and over without ever giving new information that anyone over the age of 12 hasn't already thought about

That's not responsive to my question on your political persuasion. I think you can communicate better than that. Do you agree with any of the points made in the videos? Disagree? Where?

The status quo is undeniably based in violence. If people like me are peaceful, why must we be included in others ideas under violent threat for noncompliance? I thought a just world featured equal rights and equal ability to peacefully self-determine?

When did you consent to being ruled by others? Did you?

If you've thought the present situation is messed up, why do you advocate people perpetuate it?

 

[nepalnt21]

i don't have an ideal political setup in my head, so i can't answer that... the whole bent thing, but i agree with you and the video with much of what you say, in terms of how the state treats people and shit, i can't really take down anything in the video (that's part of why i get annoyed having to read it over and over, it's so amorphous a lot of the time and i find it doesn't enlighten me to read the same concepts 5,000 times, not trying to be a dick but that's kinda what i think sometimes when reading those same ideas ad nauseam repeatedly again and again)... just don't see a peaceful way without using the systems in place, democracy can be achievable i think, with the technology we have if we make a pointed and educated effort.

If you've thought the present situation is messed up, why do you advocate people perpetuate it?

i vote because if i don't vote, i don't get to negate a christian fundamentalist white nationalist vote out there that will certainly be cast, in somewhere, usa.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

i don't have an ideal political setup in my head, so i can't answer that... the whole bent thing, but i agree with you and the video with much of what you say, in terms of how the state treats people and shit, i can't really take down anything in the video (that's part of why i get annoyed having to read it over and over, it's so amorphous a lot of the time and i find it doesn't enlighten me to read the same concepts 5,000 times, not trying to be a dick but that's kinda what i think sometimes when reading those same ideas ad nauseam repeatedly again and again)... just don't see a peaceful way without using the systems in place, democracy can be achievable i think, with the technology we have if we make a pointed and educated effort.



i vote because if i don't vote, i don't get to negate a christian fundamentalist white nationalist vote out there that will certainly be cast, in somewhere, usa.

Thank you for your response.

You imply democracy in the present scheme is somehow peaceful. That is false. It isn't.
Political democracy is a way for a majority to force ideas on a minority, even the peaceful ones. When did it become okay for people to threaten force against peaceful minorities or peaceful individuals?

I appreciate your honesty about why you vote.

For many people it's a defensive act to prevent the option they think is "even worse" than the shitty thing we always end up getting. That is called the ratchet effect. (It's an actual thing)
It ensures things move in the wrong direction. it also perpetuates a false dichotomy.
As an anology, if you were going to try to win a race toward peace and liberty, that would be like running in the wrong direction and wondering why you never win.

You are correct I do repeat the same things often. That is purposeful. The wrongful, (both morally and logically) ideas many people hold were drilled into their head by purposeful indoctrination. Brain washing,

Think of my incessant pointing out the truth as "unwashing brains". I do it to solicit response. My goals are openly to facilitate actual liberty and actual peace. I'm not apologing for that. Most people haven't considered that we shouldn't be owned, or they pretend we're not, they've been indoctrinated in authority worship. That is not hyperbole..

In a Panarchist situation Christian Fundamentalist would be free to believe what they want, but not to impose it on you as long as you remain peaceful.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

 

[Captain Red Eye]

 

[Microbeman]

Thank you for your response.

You imply democracy in the present scheme is somehow peaceful. That is false. It isn't.
Political democracy is a way for a majority to force ideas on a minority, even the peaceful ones. When did it become okay for people to threaten force against peaceful minorities or peaceful individuals?

I appreciate your honesty about why you vote.

For many people it's a defensive act to prevent the option they think is "even worse" than the shitty thing we always end up getting. That is called the ratchet effect. (It's an actual thing)
It ensures things move in the wrong direction. it also perpetuates a false dichotomy.
As an anology, if you were going to try to win a race toward peace and liberty, that would be like running in the wrong direction and wondering why you never win.

You are correct I do repeat the same things often. That is purposeful. The wrongful, (both morally and logically) ideas many people hold were drilled into their head by purposeful indoctrination. Brain washing,

Think of my incessant pointing out the truth as "unwashing brains". I do it to solicit response. My goals are openly to facilitate actual liberty and actual peace. I'm not apologing for that. Most people haven't considered that we shouldn't be owned, or they pretend we're not, they've been indoctrinated in authority worship. That is not hyperbole..

In a Panarchist situation Christian Fundamentalist would be free to believe what they want, but not to impose it on you as long as you remain peaceful.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

If you grew or acquired pot and sold or traded it "back in the day" you were practicing Agorism!!


The first 6 and half minutes of this video I think do a decent job of explaining Agorism. There is an error at about 6:37 the narrator implies "Agorists are also pacifists". Some can be, but pacifism is not a requirement to be an Agorist.

Also I think the last few minutes of the video could have been left out or been part of a different video as it probably raises more questions than it answers.