How much should seeds cost?

[Pendleton]

Not sure if the den is the right place to put this, but hopefully a bunch of people will see it here. I want to talk about seed prices and what people feel is a fair price for seeds. I personally think the price is all-around too high, but that good actual work from breeders should certainly be given a premium. Having made many feminized seeds I find the difference in seed price to be crazy and would like to see things more balanced out. This isn't a complaint or attempt to get sellers to drop prices, I'd just like to talk about what people think is realistic. Once legalization comes these days of $100 for a tiny handful of seeds that are often immature will be done.

 

[armedoldhippy]

some of the prices are out there, but some seem pretty reasonable, esp. considering feminized autos and such take a bit of work. some strains took YEARS to get stabilized. when it is legal, i suspect greater availability and lower prices...

 

[floralheart]

As much as they cost right now.

If you don't like it, start a company and charge less. Start a trend. Drive the prices down.

 

[420somewhere]

I can't complain about current prices...

 

[Midwest sticky]

19.99

(not available in stores)

 

[WelderDan]

Considering a single plant can produce THOUSANDS of seeds they should be cheap. And since there is very little true breeding going on, just people taking existing popular cuts and crossing them with something else, or using STS to reverse the cut (STS is pretty cheap), prices should be low. Like a buck a seed.

If something is in demand, all you have to do is limit the supply, and BAM, high prices. Look no further than the Diamond trade. Tons of diamonds are mined every year. The supply is artificially limited.

It's a fucking plant. Seeds shouldn't cost hundreds of dollars.

 

[floralheart]

As a legal medical caregiver, I bought $2,000 worth of genetics. It's an investment. When you want to start mowing lawns for a living, you spend $3,000 in lawn mowers to get you going. How is being a Caregiver any different?

I pride myself on my ability to research the seed companies, test grows, breeders personalities and select the best companies possible to buy from and select from.

Time is a premium, so I want to pay those who have already done much of the work for me to help me find the best of what's available globally, and make that available to a very few people legally in my market.

High seed prices actually help me. Because I'm willing to invest more money upfront and many aren't, I have a better chance at a better product. Odds improve. Demand increases.

If you don't have something, what are you really selling? Nothing.

Some people want to drive a Mercedes.

 

[Hammerhead]

lol as much as your willing to pay for them

 

[floralheart]

Considering a single plant can produce THOUSANDS of seeds they should be cheap. And since there is very little true breeding going on, just people taking existing popular cuts and crossing them with something else, or using STS to reverse the cut (STS is pretty cheap), prices should be low. Like a buck a seed.

If something is in demand, all you have to do is limit the supply, and BAM, high prices. Look no further than the Diamond trade. Tons of diamonds are mined every year. The supply is artificially limited.

It's a fucking plant. Seeds shouldn't cost hundreds of dollars.

At what point does it become your responsibility to grow the plants out and inbreed them on your own over a few seasons?

Why not breed the pack on your own?

If you want better work, buy from breeders with the best practices. They are working out there.

How can you complain about wanting them to do more work, and then also complain about how they should charge less?

They should cost hundreds of dollars, because you are spending hundreds of dollars in electricity and taking up space you could do anything else with.

A seed run is a bud run, only you're not getting any buds. It still takes the same skill to do it right, plus new skills.

Where can I buy your seeds?

 

[WelderDan]

At what point does it become your responsibility to grow the plants out and inbreed them on your own over a few seasons?

Why not breed the pack on your own?

If you want better work, buy from breeders with the best practices. They are working out there.

How can you complain about wanting them to do more work, and then also complain about how they should charge less?

They should cost hundreds of dollars, because you are spending hundreds of dollars in electricity and taking up space you could do anything else with.

A seed run is a bud run, only you're not getting any buds. It still takes the same skill to do it right, plus new skills.

Where can I buy your seeds?

I haven't bought seeds for years. I made F2's and crosses. Traded some of those to other folks for other stuff. I get free seeds all the time. I make more seeds with what I trade for or get free. I give away seeds all the time.

I wouldn't sell you a single seed. I'd be happy to give you some though...

And very few people are taking the time to stabilize a line. F1's of popular cuts and S1's.

 

[robbiedublu]

I think a bigger issue than price is that you may or may not get the quality of plant you supposedly paid for, unless you buy multiple packs and grow out a bunch of plants to take all the way through cloning and flowering in order to find one special plant that lives up to the breeders/sellers description.

 

[thesloppy]

I think a bigger issue than price is that you may or may not get the quality of plant you supposedly paid for, unless you buy multiple packs and grow out a bunch of plants to take all the way through cloning and flowering in order to find one special plant that lives up to the breeders/sellers description.

Yeah, the price of seeds doesn't necessarily reflect the quality you're getting or the time/energy spent making those seeds. When you buy a car new for $20K you know you're not getting a luxury vehicle with top of the line build quality, and vice-versa, whereas seeds are still pretty much a crapshoot whose price promises you nothing.

 

[Hemphrey Bogart]

Anything is always worth the price you're willing to pay for it...at least at first, lol. I've paid top dollar for duds and paid low dollar for things that proved to be well worth the investment.

Paying top dollar doesn't always guarantee you get the best, but there are obviously people willing to try.

HB.

 

[Hammerhead]

There's no guarantee in any seed line. I have found poor quality in the same pack as high quality. Its all in the genetics used. When high quality plants are used to make seeds the % of high quality plants is much greater. Finding the exact same plant as what you see in a pic is unlikely. These are pictures of plants selected by the seed makers/breeders. Its not unheard of to get garbage also unlikely it's also possible to get something better. Finding the 1 off plants is very difficult that's why it requires multiple packs to look through. Some get lucky finding a 1 off in a single pack but most are of high quality.

Lets take wifi#43 as an example.. It took 200 seeds to select #43. How many of these 200 seeds would be keepers probably most but #43 was the special 1..

 

[Gram Paw smurf]

Thrill of the hunt seems to rule the market nowadays imo.
I just think it's pretty obvious though ppl want f1's n to pick their own line to proceed from rather than settling for someone elses selection that could be crap for the same cost.
We all know a number of lines that were called n considered "stable" but turned out to be stable crap selections.
People want the genes not someone else taking their fun or potential out what they buy now is what I see in general.
lol hell when the majority of the market is picking fems over even taking time to look at "stable" gear it's pretty clear not everyone using it is actually interested in "breeding quality" as much as just pumping out the plants.
Meh still the golden age for weed imo, just gotta be picky as you want to be n maybe have a knack or enjoy researching what you want so you're sure to get it.

cheers all,.....................................................gps

 

[vostok]

I use KC Brains as a guide, he's fairly cheap, but yes I got some THC Bomb seeds this year ...and they are no way worth what they charge

The market is free, and the market should decide, that said I do make seeds, sometimes I get just a few hundred of each plant, then other times its up to thousands, so you really can't go by what I've been supplied with ....?

 

[Seaf0ur]

 

[yesum]

They are priced pretty well now. There are seeds that go for 20 to 50 bucks a pack for the thrifty. I have bought some. Some fine smoke to be found even with cheapies.

There are the seeds that go over $100 a pack and I have bought a few. Generally you do get what you pay for.

Lots of 'breeders' out now that have done little but cross some strains and not really stabilized them much. They should be budget seeds but are quite often expensive. You gotta do your homework here on icmag or among people you know and not waste your hard earned cash.

 

[ghostmade]

10 dollars a bean is the most ill do.100 a cut is the most i would do (glue,cookie,and anything "exclusive")
Its a crap shot even from verified breeders. There is dud packs in evrybody bodys gear even bog(hasn't happened to me ),but its what they do after the fact that defines the quality of the breeder
It would be nice for cheap beans but im not tripping. Keep the beans rolling in cheap or not

 

[Pendleton]

I need to go through to reread everything but I don't believe currently that many breeders at all ever deserve that name. I've seen real plant breeding programs, and crossing two elites doesn't make a line, nor does taking them to F2 or F3. Nobody has been running plant numbers necessary for quite a while. Arguing for high prices for proficient breeders isn't a valid argument when there aren't any proficient breeders.