how much of each adments do i add ?

[stevr59]

hey guys i got a question for ya. since i am a hydro grower i don't have much experience's at growing in soil. what i need to know is how much of the amendments do i add. all i got to work with is
MG organic potting soil 8 qt
50 pounds of black cow cow manuer
one bag of bone meal
one bag of blood meal
one bag of lime
one bag of perlite
now how much of each do i add to the potting soil. and will this work. i am transplanting my baby's out of the 6 oz Dixie cups today into bigger containers. i went to the hydro store in the next town yesterday for some worm casting and bat ganao, but to my good luck they was closed cost me 20 bucks in gas and 2 hours of my time to find out they didn't want to open. so f them not doing business with them any more.so this is all i can get in this hick town so i am hoping what i have will do the job.

 

[kush07]

Well first off, what size containers are you transplanting into and how many plants are you transplanting.

Some things I would do though are to use a good portion of that Black Kow bag and go light with the MG Organic. Black Kow has a nice loamy texture that is great for cannabis growing.

If you can provide the above information I can better help you.

Happy Toking

 

[stevr59]

thanks for the reply. i am planning on transplanting them into 1/2 gallon folgers coffee containers and i got 4 of them to re plant. but you think it will be ok to use so much cow manure to the mix?

 

[kush07]

Ok, I would do

Soil
1 Gallon Black Kow
1/2 Gallon MG Organic
1/2 Gallon perlite

Ammendments
1.5 cup blood meal
1 cup bone meal
1.25 cup lime

Also, the Black Kow manure is already composted so it will not be as hot as an uncomposted mix. Black Kow also has a pretty good drainage rate to boot, that is why I didn't reccomend a larger amount of perlite than usual. That said, it is fine to use more of it than you would a normal cow manure product. Since you are not mixing a large amount of soil you can mix it by hand and break up any chunks of soil that you may encounter. Try and get the soil as fine and loam like as possible.

Happy Toking

 

[stevr59]

thanks man i will give that a try

 

[Chiefsmokingbud]

imo those dosages look kinda strong for 2 gal

 

[stevr59]

i was thinking the same thing but after 3 days in it my baby's went from a lime green back to dark green with no sign of nute burn wish i could say that for my hyrdo transplants poor things are burn up from 200 ppm of flora nova. Chief you have any good soil resapes using the admins i have listed

 

[Guest]

Vic's Super Soil Recipes & Notes

Super Soil Mix

Original Recipe, as it was given to me.

1 Bale sunshine mix #2 or promix
2 L Bone Meal - phosphorus source
1 L Blood Meal - nitrogen source
1 1/3 cups Epsom salts - magnesium source
3-4 cups dolmite lime -calcium source & pH buffering
1 tsp fritted trace elements
1/2 - 1 bag chicken manure (steer, mushroom, etc) - nitrogen & trace
elements

- Mix thoroughly, moisten, and let sit 1-2 weeks before use.

Revised Recipe, after several failures due to bad manure sources, I now use the following recipe. Results have been excellent and the clones seem to take off right away instead of having a slow growing settling in period.

1 Bale sunshine mix #2 or promix (3.8 cu ft)
8 cups Bone Meal - phosphorus source
4 cups Blood Meal - nitrogen source
1 1/3 cups Epsom salts - magnesium source
3-4 cups dolomite lime -calcium source & pH buffering
1 tsp fritted trace elements
4 cups kelp meal.
9kg (25 lbs) bag pure worm castings

- Mix thoroughly, moisten, and let sit 1-2 weeks before use.


Substitutions
- The original recipe was a success, but I simply needed to experiment. In addition, sometimes not all ingredients were always available. Therefore, here are some possible additions and/or substitutions:

Blood & Bone Meal - when trying to cut costs
Kelp Meal - contains over 62 trace minerals. Good supplement for reducing the manure content to speed availability of soil.
Worm castings - excellent source of micro nutrients.
Bat guano - excellent for top dressing a week into flowering.
Seabird guano

Bugs
On a couple of occasions, I've ended up with fungus gnats with this soil mix. They are more of an irritation than anything but may harm weak or young plants. Some have said that putting a layer of sand on top of the soil in the pots stops the gnats from reproducing. Others can get rid of them by doing a soil drench with gnatrol or vectobac (BTI). Personally, I prefer to simply introduce fungus gnat predators (Hypoaspis miles). Once established, they not only control fungus gnats, but also thrips and mites. When there is no insect food available, they survive on dead plant material, so remain even after pests are gone to prevent future infestations. Actually, since they have been introduced, I've had no pest problems in over a year and I don't filter my intake.

Recycling Soil
Used soil - Reusing soil has a few downsides such as it makes it easier for diseases, viruses, and pathogens from entering your garden. Also peat based soils break down and become acidic. If you fertilize with chemicals you'll end up with salt buildups that will slow growth. Unless you like to take chances, have a good eye, and a good horticultural understanding, you may be better off with staying with fresh new soils. That said; I grow strictly organic and I've always reused my soil. I don't sterilize the soil between plantings as my soil is full of microbes and predatory bugs that keep the bad bugs under control. After each crop, I chop up the soil and root balls with the leaves, stalks, etc and let compost for about 3 months. I then mix it up and add about 2 - 3 cups of lime for every 50 gallons composted soil. I also add about 1/2 cup epsom salts, 2 liters bone meal, 1 liter blood meal, 1 liter kelp meal, 1 tsp trace elements, and enough perlite to regain the porosity of the original soil. I used to add a bag of manure, but I was getting fertilizer burn and so have stopped now.

As I've been fine tuning this, the plants just keep getting healthier and I haven't had any real pest problems for quite a while. I know this is a controversial approach and maybe even risky, but it allows me to keep my garden pretty much self contained. I don't attract attention by buying bales of soil every 3 - 4 months year around, or in the disposal of leaves and soil after each crop. It's definitely not for those who want sterile crops and those that use pesticides and chemical ferts. I believe in working with nature, not against it. After several generations, a nutrient imbalance developed which was only solved by leaching the soil thoroughly. My hunch is that one of the micro-nutrients was building to toxic levels. I guess farmers don't get this problem because they have the winter rains to leach excess nutrients from their fields.

 

[BurnOne]

Add 20% perlite to Vic's Revised Recipe. And the fritted trace elements are not needed if you use the kelp. (And they're synthetic as well.)
Burn1

 

[stevr59]

well after 2 week in the mix i found out the hard way it to dam hot its killing my babies

 

[Ganico]

Yeah, it should have been more like tablespoons of those ammendments than cups

 

[stevr59]

just to let any one know do not use this soil mix i have had total crop failure using it even my house plants are dieing in this mix


1 Gallon Black Kow
1/2 Gallon MG Organic
1/2 Gallon perlite

Ammendments
1.5 cup blood meal
1 cup bone meal
1.25 cup lime

if any thing only use teaspoon not cups

 

[kush07]

Sorry I was way to stoned when I wrote that and put Cups instead of Tablespoons...I'm really sorry brother, I wish there was something I could do for you.

 

[stevr59]

lol kush 07 all i can say is shame shame on you lol but all is well. i lost 3 babys but i save one and got it to the hyrdo in time and its a she 12 days in to flowing now all so save 2 that was in the bad mix and got them into a new mix and there starting to recover but they are way behide but that ok i am praying one of them is a male so i can get some seeds from this run, al so got 2 clones rooted from the female and just got them out doors and got 4 more cutting trying to root now looking for a mouther out of them. but all is well man i for give you but there is one thing you can do to make up for it re post the mix so it right just in case some one else try to use it in fact since that time i got some new stuff may be you can add that to the mix
one bale spangam peat moss
mushroom comost

 

[vonforne]

Next time use this one This is a mix Burn1 uses....Hope you don't mind B1. He needed a good mix.

Here's my most favorite method of all time...

6 parts Pro Mix HP
2 parts perlite
2 parts earthworm castings
Powdered dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.
If you use a 3 qt. saucepan as “parts” in the amounts given above, it equals about 1 cu. ft. of soiless mix and you can just dump in a cup of powdered dolomite lime.

Guano Tea and Kelp:

Seedlings less than 1 month old nute tea mix-
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
1-cup earthworm castings/5 gallons of water every 3rd watering

Veg mix-
1/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano (PSG)
1/3 cup High N Bat Guano (Mexican)
1/3 cup Earth Worm Castings (EWC)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
@ 1-cup mix/5 gallons of water every 3rd watering.

Flowering nute tea mix:
2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
5 tbs. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
@ 2 cups/5 gallons of water EVERY watering.
You can use queen size knee high nylon stockings for tea bags. 3 pair for a dollar at the dollar store. Tell 'em you use them for paint strainers. Put the recommended tea in the stocking, tie a loop knot in it and hang it in your tea bucket. The tea should look like a mud puddle. Agitate the bag in the water vigorously. An aquarium pump and air stone will dissolve oxygen into the solution and keep the good bacteria (microherd) alive and thriving. Let it bubble a day or two before you use it.

Burn1

 

[vonforne]

Used soil - Reusing soil has a few downsides such as it makes it easier for diseases, viruses, and pathogens from entering your garden.

If your soil is healthy in the first place you will not have these problems.

 

[stevr59]

looks good VONFORNE but thts my proublem where i live you cant get pro mix or worm casting the hyrdo shop went out of business hell i was lucky i found mushroom compost so i got to work with what i can find locally for now any ways. i called one nursery and ask if they had pro mix or coco peat and they ask me what you going to do with it grow pot, all you can get here is mg potting soil, sta green soil, hypoinc dollars store stuff, cow manure and peat moss very lucky i found perlite we been out for a few months here,don't even ask me to add vermiculite as i have seen it in town in 2 years. this i a very anti- pot town here more than likely thats why the hyro store went out of business. but then didn't like the store any ways kind of felt uneasy being in there, like i was being watched , and the loaded AR-15 with 30 round clip an lazier site hanging on the wall didn't help and the guy who ran the store didn't answer question he just sat there playing his video game and when you went to pay for the stuff he never had change. and they never stocked back up on items they ran out of i tried for 6 mounts to get a bottle of 7.0 ph calb. solution. all he would tell me it coming o the next truck will it never came. may be it was the local leo running the store who knows. sorry i for got about my ranting lol i will stop.
peace

 

[Guest]

thats funny you say that stevr59, every time i go to my local farm for stuff (i do the electrical maintenence for the guy) he always jokingly says "what are you growing ganja?" too bad he has no idea he hit the nail on the head!
i do not buy my shit from him in the winter tho, then it would be a dead give away. but this same dude has a plant growing in one of his greenhouses, which people walk thru all the time and dont even notice. of course i spotted it right away!

 

[vonforne]

looks good VONFORNE but thts my proublem where i live you cant get pro mix or worm casting the hyrdo shop went out of business hell i was lucky i found mushroom compost so i got to work with what i can find locally for now any ways. i called one nursery and ask if they had pro mix or coco peat and they ask me what you going to do with it grow pot, all you can get here is mg potting soil, sta green soil, hypoinc dollars store stuff, cow manure and peat moss very lucky i found perlite we been out for a few months here,don't even ask me to add vermiculite as i have seen it in town in 2 years. this i a very anti- pot town here more than likely thats why the hyro store went out of business. but then didn't like the store any ways kind of felt uneasy being in there, like i was being watched , and the loaded AR-15 with 30 round clip an lazier site hanging on the wall didn't help and the guy who ran the store didn't answer question he just sat there playing his video game and when you went to pay for the stuff he never had change. and they never stocked back up on items they ran out of i tried for 6 mounts to get a bottle of 7.0 ph calb. solution. all he would tell me it coming o the next truck will it never came. may be it was the local leo running the store who knows. sorry i for got about my ranting lol i will stop.
peace

First off, Mushroom compost is great. Not as good as castings but great in itself. It has a lot of nutrient value in it and it is a great soil conditioner. What brand is it? Is it Black Velvet? You can also use some cow manure. If nothing else is to be found.

Now, I'm doing a thread on building your own worm bin as soon as my work slows down this week I will get in to the shop with my camera and get some work done on my thread. Basically you can build one out of rubbermaid containers and household food scraps.

http://www.greenhousemegastore.com/products.asp?dept=1139&gclid=CKTcypT0mosCFQJWgQod0AzUlQ

Here is a link to an online store.


If you do not want to do that. Do you have Lowes? They sell Majestic Earth peat moss. It is made by Farfard. Post up some info and I will help with some more solutions.

V

 

[stevr59]

not sure what brand it is i found it at lowes, and the worm bin sounds like a great idea i been thinking of building one as soon as i can get a job and get some cash coming in, i do have compost piles going now but will be a wile before there ready and thanks for the link i have it bookmarked, i did build me a raised bed to day out of 2x 6s and added the last of my cow manure, peat moss some compost that was all most ready blood and bone meal and some lime and 2 bags of sta green potting soil and mix it all up with my sandy loam soil and place my poppy seeds and some lettuce and marigolds. but yeah i would love to see you make a worm bin,