How many of you have lawyers on retainer?

[Revegged_Clone]

How many of you have lawyers on retainer or have a number of a lawyer on you at all times?

I can't tell you how many searches my lawyer has gotten me out of. Just saying you're going to call your lawyer before you exit the car works like a charm(of course, when you know they are just fishing for an excuse, otherwise.. it's better just to get out of the car and lock it, obviously). Oh, and always say MY lawyer... use the cops own intimidation game on them. If you say a lawyer it sounds like you're scared. If you say MY lawyer, it sounds like you're prepared and battle hardened.

It's also good to know the name of a very prominent lawyer. I'm talking police chief has a picture of him on the wall to throw darts at hated. I'm talking OJ confessed on the stand and he still got him free then told him to do an R Kelly just to get him off the pedophile charges too hated. Just pretending he's your lawyer may work too if you're broke like me.

Luckily my lawyer is a cool guy, since he's a professor too, and he let's me just keep building a tab which i pay back in services and the occasional bag.

Oh, this is really important in my opinion: MAKE SURE YOU AND YOUR LAWYER GET ALONG AND S/HE AT LEAST RESPECTS YOUR POSITION AND YOUR VIEWS.

It's against the law to be a mediocre attorney(i do believe in some jurisdiction you can be put in jail, and i don't mean sanctions, i mean trial, and obviously, you are disbarred) but so many fing pricks know they'll get paid whether they adequately represent you or not and they know you don'tknow squat about law.

My lawyer is actually making sure I understand all he does(not only because i want to be a lawyer) but also so I can just represent myself. Luckily, he's never even had to file a motion on my behalf, just talk on the phone with a cop standing at my window

Damn, i just realized i basically wrote a whole thread about my appreciation for my lawyer. Show your attorney some love... they're not all stuffy asswipes.

Wasn't Lothar a lawyer? I got a lawyer because of him and his threads, that's for sure.


The trademark rant is done... I really gotta learn to write online(freaky thing is i freelance as a writer and the only recognition i've ever won was for cultural journalism)

 

[JJScorpio]

I have no clue where you live, but the State Troopers where I live would laugh at you if you told them to talk to your Lawyer. That would only make them mad and make them think you have something to hide. I think threatening a Lawyer would at the least get the dog there.

I have close friends that are Lawyers and I know enough to keep my yap closed. I don't think it's wise advice to be telling people to dial their Lawyer on the side of the road. If you piss the cop off he has a handfull of ways to get "probable cause" to search your vehicle. The best advice is to be respectful but if they ask to search your vehicle, NEVER consent, and admit to nothing...........

 

[mapleboy]

ERRRRR.... why not careful...quit doing stupid things... cover your tracks and NOT GIVE THEM A REASON to search you??? You make some very valid points... HOWEVER you seem to ATTRACT the police... BEST to either go take a "once over" in the mirror or better yet... have someone ELSE tell you why the cops pick YOU out!! You OBVIOUSLY give them a REASON to stop you etc... etc... etc.. At the rate your're going.. SOONER or later you're gonna ... well just say HI to Bubba when ya see him.

OH and on your poll you need one MORE.

I'm a dumbass and keep my attorney close to me at all times.


mb

 

[Revegged_Clone]

haha, well, it's hard for me to explain shit without completely identifying myself. let's just say i'm not exactly anonymous....

oh, and i keep him close because he's my mentor dude. did you read the part where i said i want to be a lawyer?

and also... cops around here have a tendency to use a "heavy hand" if you know what i mean. the threat of a lawyer is meant to deter physical violence, also, if they are already asking to search my car, and i know i have something, shouldn't i ask to call my lawyer so then when i deny tehm the privilege of searching my contraband riddled non 4th amendment compliant vehicle i have proof of that and there is a witness as to whether or not they really followed procedure?

i have even called 911 when pulled over in a secluded area to let them know i was being stopped but would follow to a lighted and populated area for the safety of both the officer and me.

i don't know what you do or where you live, i know what i do and where i live, and i know if i didn't make the first move, i could be found in a ditch somewhere with registered ballistics in me... until you've had three friends killed by cops, don't say i'm objecting prematurely.

yeah, the high wore off


edit: whoa, realized i was a bit aggressive when there really was no need. let's just say it was shell shock. i don't have very good experiences with police. i've gotten to know the business end of a tactical baton whilst peacefully assembled.

 

[Verite]

Sounds like you want to show up on every leo radar out there when the rest of us would more passively like to remain well under it. Crying ' call my lawyer ' every time you get traffic stopped is going to do just that, get you, your name and your car make and model on every leo officers radar. Same goes for evading them. Please tell me what state trains their 911 operators to instruct citizens to break the law by not pulling over when immediately instructed to? Dont you ever watch COPS? When did not pulling over right away ever amount to anything less than a felony stop procedure where they drag your ass out at gunpoint/tazer or force and run your face across the road while they handcuff you?

The best part about having a lawyer on retainer is not having to use them.

 

[Revegged_Clone]

haha, man, the thing is i'm going to be on the radar anyway. things here aren't exactly kosher man. things are VERY much not kosher. but whatever. i do what i need to do to survive. i realize now i should have known that situations elsewhere are very much different, and that my personal circumstances are ery much different to what most of you may experience

ok, let's get this straight:

1-i'm not anonymous where i live. not amongst cops, not amongst people either. for personal safety i will not say why.

2-i have been featured in many organigrams, just not enough evidence to file charges against me.

3-thing here isn't not being known, it's not being caught. cops know everything i've ever done, because they've seen me, hell, they probly have videos of most of my friends. edit: the thing is trying to keep the extent of my activities hidden(specially growing... they'd have a field day with me "known my claim to fame arrested on cultivation charges."

4-they know i'm doing illegal shit, so i respond by playing a cat and mouse game. burying them in red tape and warrants. ie: if you come with a warrant to search for "evidence of illegal activity" i'll get my lawyer to say it's too vague(has worked various times for a lot of friends).

people, i was wrong in assuming everyone is in the same boat as we are here, but please do understand i don't do anything that is unusual here. anyone that has been in a gang knows what's it's all about.

it's not necessarily being anonymous, because that really isn't possible in certain places. it's being one step ahead, playing smart. i actually know a few cops on a first name basis.

i wish i could have your anonimity.

edit: i should add that our police force employs the national guard to occupy our slums, just to add to the picture. seriously guys, i think you're looking at things through rose coloured glasses...

 

[bounty29]

The intentions are good, but as you've stated in your posts very clearly, most of us aren't in your situation or area, so the advice might not apply the same. I'd really like to have a lawyer on retainer but I'm extremely strapped right now. When business picks up in the fall and I have some spare cash I'd really like to get one. That leaves me a few months to find one.

 

[Revegged_Clone]

yeah, i realized too late. i just resent people telling me i WANT to be on cop's radars. damn man, i'm a paranoid person, i try to be as plain as possible. i actually hid my talents for a long time because of that, but i figure if anythings ever going to happen, it's better to be arrested as a public figure than an anonymous nobody.

oh yeah, another fact: the police has actually published a list of all known drug lords/salaried hit men. paid informants are a bitch just keep trying to get you guys to understand where i'm coming from, cause i get where you're coming from.

 

[Habibi]

i dont think this guys on the same page as any of us. hell i dont think hes in the same fucking book we are in!

your talking about gangs, criminal activity and being a well known individual to cops....

sounding a little fishy pal

 

[JeffSpicoli]

sounds european...?

 

[Revegged_Clone]

haha, i'm not well known to cops, i'm known in general. i'm somewhat of a personality, see? and yeah, i was involved in underworld activities. that is no longer the case, hence the growing. and no, not europpean.

edit: i do NOT sell what i grow. why would i? i'd only end up spending it back on weed

everyone who participates in the underworld here is basically known to the cops. they monitor entrance to the ghettos.

think of it like this: there are books upon books of inked gang members in every single major city. so what do you do? you can't deny who you are, cause they know the different gangs. you can only cover your tats up and hope for the best.

simple as that. why is the concept so hard to understand?!?!? is this really the attitude from people that haven't been hassled on a daily basis???

saying talk to my lawyer is NOT A PROBABLE CAUSE. it means i'm fucking pissed, i'm not an idiot, i knwo my rights. TAHT IS ALL IT MEANS. damn, where the hell is lothar when you need him!

 

[JJScorpio]

What does Lothar have to do with this?

Let me tell you a little story. Years and years ago I went under the so called microscope as you say. I got pulled over an average of once per week because I knew I was being investigated. I also knew I was going to be arrested, I just didn't know when they were going to do it. One of our so called "brothers" got arrested and turned states evidence on three of us. We were all eventually charged in a 30 some count Felony Indictment. During that time, I would have never carried anything illegal, I was polite to the Officers and I would have never called my Lawyer from the side of the road. It ended up working in our favor. The three of us kept our mouths shut and we eventually plead to a minor felony with no jail and the snitch got 1 to 3 years prison. It's the way the game goes. The bottom line is, you seem to somehow think this is a game. The way you're playing it isn't good. My advice to you is move. Go somewhere you aren't known. If you continue to taunt the police the way you are and they will eventually put you where you don't want to be. Take the advice or not, it's your choice. It's been 20 years since I went through what I did, and I can tell you if you continue to flaunt a Lawyer in their face, you will eventually lose the game.....

 

[OriginalMan]

I'm from and live in the urban enviroment. I know all too much about the profiling and unwarrented stops and illeagal searches that come along with the preception that "you all look the same to me." However, where I live the focus isn't on mj (thank god) its on METH, CRACK, HERROIN. Hell if you get stopped you'll probably get lucky enough where they will give your weed back. When I get pulled over (which is not that much, but does happen (I have locks)) they just ask "where's the dope" In the poll I answered that I just have a lawyers card. But I was told that its as good as a retainer. Anyway, I plan on moving to CALI in the next year even tho I live in a state where mj has been "decriminalized" read NO jail time for posession up to 100 gr.

 

[Revegged_Clone]

i don't think it's a GAME per se, i'm saying it's like a cat and mouse game, it's a saying...

And i think the major misunderstanding here is from social backgrounds. this is basically a third world country within US jurisdiction.

Comparing our slums to US slums is innacurate, to say the least, it's more like brazilian favelas, although with the use of the national guard in the past, and recent tactical moves on the police force's part, the overtness of criminal activity has gone down.

however... it's safe to say that every family here has at least one member active in the underworld. also safe to say every single cop has a good friend that is a known player in the underworld. and a known fact that most of our spending comes from the underworld(we are a bankrupt society yet we are one of the most retail friendly places anywhere.... we barely make any money, yet tons of people drive around in at least BMWs).

This is a place where saying so and so is serving is just like saying he's on vacation. This is a place where the only reason you post bail is so you can go back out and sell a couple more bags to pay for cigarettes and a couple last fucks.

meh, i'm getting depressed all of a sudden(i wonder why, haha) so imma stop talkig about this or even thinking about it. peace

 

[GI-DRO]

i actually spoke with a lawyer about my doings...he basically said "he cannot give advice on how to break the law", but...

i have his card, i have his cell number and best of all my GF is his daughters friend

 

[Habibi]

It is 100% a game and i totally agree with JJScorpio

I'm still young compared to most of the people on the forums but i learned early when i was a minor, dont surround yourself with real criminals when your growing buds, know your rights/laws so you know what NOT to say to the police.

Everyones seen cops and by now most people know not to turn a traffic stop into an extravaganza by making the cop suspicous of you.

 

[Revegged_Clone]

i'm estranging myself from, as you say, "real criminals", but when your first job as an 8 year old was being a look out.... it's kinda hard. i no longer hang with my childhood friends because most have warrants that they don't know about or always have a piece on them, and i value my car too much to have it impounded...

then again, on a completely different note... more than just a couple of friends of mine have been killed, and i don't wanna meet their fate just cause i was nextto em.

same way if i roll a blunt ill smoke it, if i fart, i'll smell it, but only mine, i'm not about to go down for someone else's stupidity.

same reason i'm not accepting "patronage" for my garden... that's just stupid, actually.. right now no one knows im starting again... guess they'll realize it when i no longer make em any money on my medicine

 

[The Bling]

Sorry but i would never never tell a LEO im gonna call my lawer i might use my cell phone to record our interaction because the fact is its easier to be polite and explain that you simple value your constatutional rights and WILL NOT consent to a search in which case if you are not being detained you have an import appointment to make and you would appreciate it if you could go and if you are going to be detained longer you need to call and reschedule at which point you call your lawer and tell him sorry i wont be able to come by and do that today beacuse xyz (pre-arranged word set that notifys the lawer of the situation make it something the cop can feel bad for you for like suing the person who killed your dog) then start to tell him why you wont make it because there is a police officer trying to search me.

now you have accomplished the same thing but mr piggy is on your side now


and
1. if you grow your own pot for personal use, why drive around with it?
2. If your moving large amounts why not call a livery service?
3. if you do that frequently buy a tow truck!

 

[blowfishdirect]

i used to be an executive director for a company selling prepaid legal plans shit i still got stock in the company and still get paid an active check being able to call a lawyer when cops harass you is priceless shit they got easier fish to fry then a dude with $300-500 a hr on the case. anyone doing anything illegal should have some sort of lawyer

 

[KharmaGirl]

Blowfish...... You do know you just gave your email to the world, eh? To the "good" guys and to the "bad"