darkside420
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NL,bb and White russian all 2 weeks old 1st true set of leaves is appearing. There under 250wt hps, How long should I veg for. Please let me know if I am being to brief. Appreciate it. 
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How long should I veg?
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darkside420
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No one happens to have a picture of either do they? First Grow so i've got more questions then I have answers. Appreciate the reply Jnugg.
Well I'll try and explain it.When a plant is immature you will have a two leaves at each node (just like any other immature spcies of plants) one on one side the other on the other side,and this will lok something like a V.
When a plant is mature the nodes stagger and no longer look like a V instead at each node there is one leaf on one side and the branch will look like it has grown in a zig zag pattern from node to node.This is alternating nodes and is a sign of maturity in the plant but not the only one,another is preflowers.
If you notice preflowers before you see alernating nodes I would say it is o.k. to flower your plants.A female preflower looks like a teardrop shaped peice of plant tissue and afetr about a week to two weeks of showing will reveal two small white hairs that stick out of each female pre flower.A male pre flower however will look like little ball sacs or grapes (very very small).
Look for pre flowers where a brach joins a leaf at the main stem/stalk of the plant/branch.
When a plant is mature the nodes stagger and no longer look like a V instead at each node there is one leaf on one side and the branch will look like it has grown in a zig zag pattern from node to node.This is alternating nodes and is a sign of maturity in the plant but not the only one,another is preflowers.
If you notice preflowers before you see alernating nodes I would say it is o.k. to flower your plants.A female preflower looks like a teardrop shaped peice of plant tissue and afetr about a week to two weeks of showing will reveal two small white hairs that stick out of each female pre flower.A male pre flower however will look like little ball sacs or grapes (very very small).
Look for pre flowers where a brach joins a leaf at the main stem/stalk of the plant/branch.
bostrom155
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By seed I'd go 2 months, but diff with clone, from what i read, it depends on light wattage?
If you are starting from seed, it is a good idea to veg 40 to 60 days. This gives the plant a chance to mature so you will get a good yield. It also depend on the size of your grow area. If your limited on space, 60 days may be to long for the room you have.....
Blackmelo
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listen to these guys.
I vegged some seeds for 35 days on this grow which is considered the minimum for the plant to be mature. Not all were mature by this time even... Now I see ppl going below this constantly to save a few days growing but they are sacrificing yields and potency as the plant wasn't mature yet when flowered. Not a good idea imo.
Now a new grower won't have his plants growing as fast as they ideally could be either. You needs to take this into consideration and vegg slightly longer even.
I would follow JJ's advice and vegg for 40-60 days.
However, if you really don't have the space to vegg them to a size that big, then you can switch to flowering sooner like I mentioned and they will finish quicker and shorter but with reduced yield and potency.
A more advanced technique when you have height problems is to vegg the plants till full maturity, take clones and kill the original plant. Root the cuttings(which are fully mature) and flower them short. Height problem solved, takes 3-4 weeks longer though
Ohh, I just remembered something else you can do if you have a height problem. Vegg them till full maturity and let them get really big, then just cut them down to a tiny little plant again and flower this.
Remember, plants double till triple in size in flowering. So if you want a 120cm plant you want a height of 40-60cm at the end of vegg.
I vegged some seeds for 35 days on this grow which is considered the minimum for the plant to be mature. Not all were mature by this time even... Now I see ppl going below this constantly to save a few days growing but they are sacrificing yields and potency as the plant wasn't mature yet when flowered. Not a good idea imo.
Now a new grower won't have his plants growing as fast as they ideally could be either. You needs to take this into consideration and vegg slightly longer even.
I would follow JJ's advice and vegg for 40-60 days.
However, if you really don't have the space to vegg them to a size that big, then you can switch to flowering sooner like I mentioned and they will finish quicker and shorter but with reduced yield and potency.
A more advanced technique when you have height problems is to vegg the plants till full maturity, take clones and kill the original plant. Root the cuttings(which are fully mature) and flower them short. Height problem solved, takes 3-4 weeks longer though
Ohh, I just remembered something else you can do if you have a height problem. Vegg them till full maturity and let them get really big, then just cut them down to a tiny little plant again and flower this.
Remember, plants double till triple in size in flowering. So if you want a 120cm plant you want a height of 40-60cm at the end of vegg.
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darkside420
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Thats awesome guys. I've also got some bagseed growing which im doing all my experimenting on and thats 46 days old I just noticed (after jnugg so kindly helped me) the alternating nodes so Im flowering them so will see how this whole flowering thing works. I can't thank you all enough for sharing what you know with me any more advice is needed and appreciated, thank you.
Leach/flush the soil 1-2 weeks prior to flowering to leach away veg ferts.Transplant into a bigger container 1-2 weeks before flowering,prune 1-2 weeks before flowering and switch to a bloom fert and add a few shots of nitrogen (nitrogen to help keep things green during the stretch) the first 2-3 weeks then just a good bloom fert.
Blackmelo
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Jnugg said:
This doesn't make any sense to me. So you flush away your Vegg fert which is mainly nitrogen and add nitrogen once you've done that...
Sry man, I think you're gonna have to explain that one better to me, its just not making sense.
darkside, what Jnugg most likely meant to say was, keep feeding it a vegg nute for the first 2 weeks of flowering to control stretch and then use the flowering fert...
darkside420
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Aright im getting a hang of this. My other question is I have my bagseed in my grow room hopefully 2 females and there 2 days in today being the third; I've got a fan blowing on all them if those bagseed turn out to be male can they pollinate my other plants that are only 2 1/2 weeks old? Should i take the fan off them while the bagseed is in there?Jnugg,Blackmelo, thank you I owe it all to guys like you.
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hope this helps alternating nodes and preflowers...male plants can pollinate untill probably 3 weeks into 12/12 at least...you will be able to pick out males way before pollination look for preflowers on females...there the white pistils that are around the nodes...good luck!
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shrike
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darkside420
You face the unpleasant combination of starting from seed and only having 250 watts to flower them with.
Because the 250 watt bulb cannot penetrate more than 6" from the top of your plants you need to keep them small, but old enough to be sexually mature. This is a problem.
So in order to keep your plants small for the 6 or more weeks it takes them to become sexually mature, you need to prune or train. Seach LST training etc.
Now if you had nice rooted cuttings that were 6" tall and already had alternating nodes then I suggest a SOG or small Sea of Green and flower immediately.
Also I've started many a seed that took 10 or more weeks to develop alternating nods, so 6 weeks is not like its a magic number. I've also thrown plants 16" tall without alternating nodes into flower without much problem other than a reduced harvest because you don't get the same kind of stretch that alternating nodes can give you.
The thing that will not work is to grow 3' monsters under a 250 watt system, unless all you are after are fibres for making clothing. lol
Good Luck
You face the unpleasant combination of starting from seed and only having 250 watts to flower them with.
Because the 250 watt bulb cannot penetrate more than 6" from the top of your plants you need to keep them small, but old enough to be sexually mature. This is a problem.
So in order to keep your plants small for the 6 or more weeks it takes them to become sexually mature, you need to prune or train. Seach LST training etc.
Now if you had nice rooted cuttings that were 6" tall and already had alternating nodes then I suggest a SOG or small Sea of Green and flower immediately.
Also I've started many a seed that took 10 or more weeks to develop alternating nods, so 6 weeks is not like its a magic number. I've also thrown plants 16" tall without alternating nodes into flower without much problem other than a reduced harvest because you don't get the same kind of stretch that alternating nodes can give you.
The thing that will not work is to grow 3' monsters under a 250 watt system, unless all you are after are fibres for making clothing. lol
Good Luck
Blackmelo
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darkside420 said:
darkside420
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Ok now that I've seen the lst method it doesn't sound so intimadating, so all we basically want is the plant to grow horizontaly. Again a thousand thankyous to you all. I ovbioulsly have a lot too learn still.
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Just keep reading. I have learned more in the past 6 mos about plants than I could have ever imagined.darkside420 said:
Long story short, this stuff isnt hard, you just need to do things right by the plants and it pays off nice.
Then again, this is coming from a first timer that had 6/10 sprouts and 6/6 of them female on his first try. I have seen more than enough first time failures.
Actually - I fried my first seeds in hot soil, but they were so young, I don't count em.
darkside420
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when should i top them if im going to use the LST system? JumblyJoe, yeah we all start some where heres to you guys (taking a monster toke).
ewegrow
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Blackmelo said:
Blackmelo:I was following you until this quote. I don't understand why you say feeding veg nutes would 'control' stretch. Would it not add to the stretch?
I agree with you that some veg nutes are good through the stretch. I personally do half veg half flower.
ewegrow
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