How long for seeds to form

[Deft]

On a side note, how long would a seed run take with a very short veging time? I'm wanting to plant all 4 remaing durban seeds and let them all polinate eachother but how long will this take from germination to seed collection?

 

[Guest]

Deft, it depends how long you veg them for, it's really up to you. You could even start the seeds under 12/12 I guess but they'll still take time to mature a lil before they start to flower. I would probably put them in veg under 24/0 or whatever veg time you use for about four weeks before I put them in 12/12. Then it's pretty much the same amount of time it would take female flowers to mature anyhow.

 

[Growdoc]

On a side note, how long would a seed run take with a very short veging time? I'm wanting to plant all 4 remaing durban seeds and let them all polinate eachother but how long will this take from germination to seed collection?

This could be done in 70 days... vegg time included... but other factors will play in like genetics and heat...

dont listen to people who dont know how to breed!!!

Growdoc

 

[Guest]

hmmmm...

Properly made fem seeds are not made with hermi pollen, but made with pollen from true females (stress tested to ensure true female) that have been chemicaly treated to force them to put out some male bannanas.

Fem seeds made properly will have no more herm tendencies than most m/f seeds.

Thanks for quoting me and then repeating what I said? If you stress a female with lights, chemicals etc. into growing bannanas it's still a hermie isn't it? You end up with female seeds. What part of my post is flawed, please enlighten me.

 

[beancounter]

Thanks for quoting me and then repeating what I said?

I didn't repeat what you said, I explained the difference between propery made fem seeds and seeds simply made by a enviromental stressed hermie.

If you stress a female with lights, chemicals etc. into growing bannanas it's still a hermie isn't it? You end up with female seeds. What part of my post is flawed, please enlighten me.

this was the important part of my post...

but made with pollen from true females (stress tested to ensure true female)


That means you take you chosen plant/clone you will use to make the fem seeds and you stress the hell out of it, with light poisoning, physical abuse, small pots and other natural methods.

If the plant shows no sign of bannanas or male parts then you've proven it to be true female.

Chemically induced bananas are not the same as enviromental stress induced bannanas.

In other words, the plant with enviromental induced nanners will pass on the trait to put out bannanas under growroom stress in clone and seed form..

And as long as you do proper testing like outlined above, a plant that will produce nanners with chems will not pass on the the nanner tendency to the the offspring or other gens of clones


Altho I don't make fem seeds this process is well documented. The info is out there, you just need to find it and read it.

There are some breeders that use enviro stress to make fem seeds, but this is generaly regarded as the improper way to do things and will pass along the banana traits in most cases.

 

[Guest]

There are some breeders that use enviro stress to make fem seeds, but this is generaly regarded as the improper way to do things and will pass along the banana traits in most cases.

I have actually made them this way. Unless the original female plant already has a tendency to hermie then the resulting seeds won't either, unless you stress them like the original plant. I did this to a C99 girl of mine and an AK47, both I had for well over a year without any signs of hermies or any other genetic problems. All resulting offspring have been fine, no hermies whatsoever. I was going from actual personal experience and from what I've read. I know all about chemically induced hermies, and no this is not the "proper way" to do things it's just an easier way.

I'm sorry I wasn't more specific in my first post, I forgot I was in an internet forum.

 

[beancounter]

yes, you can make them that way, but the trait to chuck out bananas will still be there.

Wouldn't you rather make fem seeds without any tendencies to chuck bananas?

As an ammature breeder and seed buying consumer I sure know I would.


But if you just wanna make seeds for yourself then it's not to bad, because you know the nanners are in there and you can take precautions.

And even the best grower can make a mistake, messing up the photoperiod, or brushing up a plant against a bulb.. So a fem seed line made with chem induced nanners (as long as properly tested) is MUCH better in these situations, no?


I didn't mean to belittle you or make it sound like you can't make a type of fem seeds the way you make them, just that there is a difference between properly made fem seeds.

peace and all that jazz.

 

[Guest]

I get what your saying, I was going off personal experience though and not just what I've read.

What I was trying to tell you is that I have no nanners on my feminized offspring, none whatsoever in over 2 year of growing them out. I had to stress the crap out of my original plants to get them to grow nanners in the first place. 3 weeks of 12hrs lights on, 5 hrs lights off, 2 hrs lights on, 5 hrs lights off to get them to show nanners. In this case it took alot to get them to hermie, therefore the trait is not going to express itself by bumping the bulb or an occasional lighting problem. If they had hermied inside a week of this light regimine I would have scrapped the whole thing. You simply cannot change genetics by manipulating light cycles and the resulting offspring will take just as much stress before growing nanners as the original plant. In my book, this technique is every bit as right as chemically inducing nanners. JM $.02

 

[beancounter]

I'm not just going off what I've read either.

You're right, in many cases you'll be ok using enviro stress induced pollen, but certainly not all. The strains you are using are known for their resistance to hermies, so I'm sure that has a lot to do with your findings.

I understand what you're saying, and that you're going off your experience, but 2 strains really isn't enough to make blanket statements about all feminized seeds.

If you wanna talk more about it feel free to PM me or start a thread, I don't want to derail this thread anymore than I already have.

peace.

 

[Growdoc]

I have worked with Female seeds for years and years... they are not stable and no breeder out there makeing them knows what the heck is going on.

Gentics always show through and plants lose alot of defences when female/femi are forced.

Hermi is a survival instinct, you cant beat it!!!

Growdoc