How long for seeds to form

[Chiefsmokingbud]

I really had a hard time figuring out what forum this belongs in. Long story shory i just harvested 3 Purple skunk punch (purps x hindu kush x sk #1). All three had male nuts forming. Starting from one end to the other one was ate up with hermie flowers, the next one about half as much, the next one 1/4 as much. Didn't think i had a light leak until..............i checked with the lights off. Had some heat issues so i added some fans and used a small 12v converter. My dumbass forgot the converter had a red power light. The plant ate up with it was right next to it. I started noticing unusual formations shortly after i added the converter which would be about a 2-2 1/2 week window. Can seeds actually mature in this short period? I got about 10 fully mature seeds. Oh well just more hash material to work with lol.

 

[TheItalianSeeds]

They take from 15 to 40 days!

 

[Guest]

if you're asking if the seeds that you got are viable if they look mature and fully developed they probably are. I'm not understanding your question about the time frame. if you are asking if the male flowers developed fast enough to produce pollen and fertilize the females which all develop seeds in a two or two and a half week span I'd say no way. If you are asking if the hermies could have produced pollen in that time frame yes. Males flowers take a couple weeks at least to produce pollen then they fertilize the females which take about three weeks to a month or so to produce mature seeds.

 

[Guest]

i Had a simmilar question, is a seeds optimal length of maturation determined by its sativa/indica influence.

Ie Do indica seeds mature faster then sativa?

 

[Chiefsmokingbud]

I know what mature seeds look like and these are mature. My basic question is how long does it take for seeds to become mature after pollination. I've never had a herm in this system so if it was caused by the red light that would mean the plants would of had to herm, produce pollen, and produce mature seeds in less than 3 weeks. I do know a herm flower can pop over night and pollinate within in couple days, this i've seen many years ago. If it's not the light then it's a strain issue.

 

[JLP]

Hey Chief,
yeah,2-5 weeks seems to be what it takes for viable,mature seed.

Really hard to know for sure what caused the hermies.


JLP

 

[beancounter]

About 35-40 days in my experience. I find they ripen under HID faster than floros by several days or so.

 

[Chiefsmokingbud]

Thanks JLP, i'm hoping it was the red indicator light and not the genes. I have a mom started and a clone of this batch going in the next round so we will deffinantly see.

 

[Guest]

i Had a simmilar question, is a seeds optimal length of maturation determined by its sativa/indica influence.

Ie Do indica seeds mature faster then sativa?

 

[Guest423]

you'd think they would, indicas have to make seed faster because they are native to colder regions so you'd think they'd make the seed faster to make sure the population keeps going.

an indica bud matures faster so the seed probably matures faster, if you pollinated both an indica and a sativa at week 3 you'd think the indica seeds would be done sooner since the buds are done sooner.....just my guess but sounds logical....i could be wrong though.

 

[beancounter]

MM, not from what I've seen. I had a 100 day sat, a 90 day, and a 75 day sat in the breeding closet with a bunch of 45-60 indicas and hybrids. All were pollinated at the same time roughly, and all seeds were riped within a week window, and some of the sats actualy matured a little quicker.

I think some of the sats may be quicker due to the reduced seed size. The plants don't have to put out as much energy to ripen the seed, as it's not as large. This is just speculation tho.

 

[Dewzy]

but wouldent the question be, if one of the hermi pollen sacs was on the plant long enough to open and spew pollen all over your grow? if one of the male flowers released pollen wouldent it pollenate more than 2 buds?

 

[Guest423]

MM, not from what I've seen. I had a 100 day sat, a 90 day, and a 75 day sat in the breeding closet with a bunch of 45-60 indicas and hybrids. All were pollinated at the same time roughly, and all seeds were riped within a week window, and some of the sats actualy matured a little quicker.

I think some of the sats may be quicker due to the reduced seed size. The plants don't have to put out as much energy to ripen the seed, as it's not as large. This is just speculation tho.

interesting, i don't grow sats and never bred any so i was going out on a limb, sounded cool lol

 

[Guest423]

I really had a hard time figuring out what forum this belongs in. Long story shory i just harvested 3 Purple skunk punch (purps x hindu kush x sk #1). All three had male nuts forming. Starting from one end to the other one was ate up with hermie flowers, the next one about half as much, the next one 1/4 as much. Didn't think i had a light leak until..............i checked with the lights off. Had some heat issues so i added some fans and used a small 12v converter. My dumbass forgot the converter had a red power light. The plant ate up with it was right next to it. I started noticing unusual formations shortly after i added the converter which would be about a 2-2 1/2 week window. Can seeds actually mature in this short period? I got about 10 fully mature seeds. Oh well just more hash material to work with lol.

maybe there was a small nanner or nanners you didn't notice even earlier then the 2- 2 1/2 week window? hopefully not though because then it's probably genetic since there wasn't a light leak before the converter. but if there was a small nanner a week or week and a 1/2 before you noticed the others then your seeds would have time to mature.

 

[Guest]

pure sats you would expect to have larger seeds, somewhat convex and elongated; pure indica you would by contrast expect to have smaller almost spherical seeds

it is said give seeds as long as possible, a good four weeks, and leave a while after

immature seeds are generally pasty green and less often viable (they could still work fine though)

seeds from hermies are best avoided indoors, as can lead to regular wreckage

 

[Guest]

seeds from hermies are best avoided indoors, as can lead to regular wreckage

What do you think these overpriced feminized seeds are? They are seeds from hermied plants that have fertilized themselves. Since the plants are stressed into growing bananas and didn't just turn on their own, the seeds are pretty much guarenteed to be female with only slight tendencies towards hermies. If he finds a cause other than genetics those seeds are keepers.

The seeds I've made usually are done within 30 -40 days.

 

[Chiefsmokingbud]

Yeah these were the last of the seeds he had and they were quite old. only got 4 to germ out of 10. If it was caused by the light i'll hang on to these "femmed" seeds. Otherwise it's all getting tossed. I don't have the time or patience for hermies.

 

[beancounter]

pure sats you would expect to have larger seeds, somewhat convex and elongated; pure indica you would by contrast expect to have smaller almost spherical seeds

hmmmm...

I have only grown a few pure or mostly sativas before, and the seeds had almost always been smaller in size for me. Where as the mostly or pure indicas have given me larger seeds in general. Stuff like LUI, Sweet Tooth, and Deep Chunk consistantly have larger seeds than any of the mostly sativa stuff I've grown.

But, I haven't realy grown enough pure sats, or pure indicas to know 100%.

it is said give seeds as long as possible, a good four weeks, and leave a while after

definately, the longer on the plant the better.

immature seeds are generally pasty green and less often viable (they could still work fine though)

When I make seeds I will always keep the immature ones (within reason) and I will use those for myself, and give away the mature ones. I have germed many white/green seeds, and have gotten dozens of healthy plants from them. It's definately not a waste of time to try and germ your immature seeds.

seeds from hermies are best avoided indoors, as can lead to regular wreckage

yup, no doubt.

What do you think these overpriced feminized seeds are? They are seeds from hermied plants that have fertilized themselves. Since the plants are stressed into growing bananas and didn't just turn on their own, the seeds are pretty much guarenteed to be female with only slight tendencies towards hermies. If he finds a cause other than genetics those seeds are keepers.

Properly made fem seeds are not made with hermi pollen, but made with pollen from true females (stress tested to ensure true female) that have been chemicaly treated to force them to put out some male bannanas.

Fem seeds made properly will have no more herm tendencies than most m/f seeds.

 

[Guest]

Alot of the sativa seeds I have seen are very tiny while I've seen mostly indica seeds that were huge. As far as the sativas go I'm always amazed that such a big plant can grow from such a tiny seed. My panama red plant though is a lil girl, definately sativa but kinda short for a sativa. That seems to jib with what I've read about PR. Evidently not all sativas grow into trees

 

[Growdoc]

Hermie pollen is not very potent and has a very short life, it will not travel far and what ever seeds are made can never be used for breeding. you may grow them out but you will wanna watch out for more hermies(bannas)...If a plant herms out under normal conditions then it is has a tendecy to do it again and any generations following will also herm more and more.

Maturation: Different strains have different times also moisture levels and heat have alot of influence in the length of time it will take for the seeds to form... the less seeds you have the less time it will take to mature the seed. the more seeds the more time it will take...

Hope this helps

Growdoc