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How late into flowering can you take a cutting and clone it?

Uncle Jesse

Uncle Jesse

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Trees....mostly ....but i was saying you can take cuttings from plants that have been into
12/12 for up to 2 weeks with out any problems.

if it's more indica the longer i try to veg it......ceiling hieght not a real problem for me. just me.

revegging is a very long process and i only do it to save a breed any more.
takes a long time for em to look normal.
 
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atmosphere

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manbearpig said:
How late into flowering can you take a cutting and clone it?

Without stressing the plant, or having clone failure.
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When you start rooting you put them on 18/6 again ? or on 12/12
The first option means stressing the hell out of them even when the mother has only been on 12/12 for 2 weeks .

The importance of rooting your cuttings as fast as possible is being ignored here all the time. cutting from plants that have been on 12/12 will root slower , just like the mother where it came from , she is also producing roots slower then she did in veg . So rooting isn't boosted by taking a cutting from a plant that has been on 12/12 for 2 weeks . Some people were talking about a "hormonal boost" , but what is it thats being boosted and why ?

Ofcouse it can be done in flowering , but i don't see the benefits of that .

The quality of your buds is determined by a combination of genetics and the conditions in wich they grow ,so not only by genetics .
Clones from a great mother (with good genetics) that took for example 20 days to root will no longer become an exact copy of the mother (they won't be as great as her).

Your actually loosing a little quality every time you clone especially if rooting takes too long . So sometimes its better to take fresh clones from a mother in veg i stead of trying to get decent clones from a great mother thats flowering .
 
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I've never seen any importance at all in rooting cuts quickly,I have to find Charles explanation of why cuts should be taken a couple weeks in when no vegtime is involved,I thought it was the above link.Speed of rooting is a non issue to me.
 
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Ask people that root clones for a living,thats really pretty funny man.I'm honestly trying to find Charles here to help you out on that taking cuttings at two weeks issue,believe me man rooting clones is a nonissue.I spend half my time figuring out how to slow down my vegging plants.A cut that has 1 root hanging from the cube after two weeks will be identical to the one rooted in a week with a cube fulla roots,what happens afterwards is whats important.Rooting clones for a living lol,about 6 years straight now and time for a vacation!
 
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atmosphere

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You don't believe that there are people who root clones for a living ? or people who financially depend on selling clones ?
In this country we have a clone culture ,although it is slowly changing towards growing from seed. Making cutting is a massive buisness because so many people grow Cannabis here in Holland .

I personally know people who did it for a living . Ask somebody with some experience from holland , they will not find that strange at all.

I completely disagree with you about the time its takes to root , and have lots of growers to back me up on that .

All nutes ,suplements ,and tricks for growing cannabis have the goal to get you plants growing more mass in less time . In other words speeding up the plants processes. Slowing down your plants therefore sounds very strange to me, you better limit veg time in place .

a piece of plant material without roots will be attacted by bacteria after some time ( composting process) you don't want that process starting in you cuttings
 
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Atmosphere I Pm'd Charles for you,his reply was I explained it correctly and some people will get it,some wont.You took me wrong bro with the cutting thing.yea people root cuts for a living I'm about to take a vacation after 6 years straight of doing just that lol.Want to talk to a smart motherfucker?Give Charles a pm
 
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atmosphere

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Why don't you back up what you claim yourself ? you keep reffering to someone else. What did i take wrong about the cutting thing ? that is possible you know , cause my english isn't very well .

I'm not exactly a newbee in growing cannabis myself by the way , so i dont understand you attitude towards the things i said here. The things i claimed didn't come falling out of the sky you know , they come from years of communicating with other growers ,and practice.
 
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I remember some guys from the late Natures High site that swore by taking clones around day 21 of flower. Although they took a little longer to root they grew like hell. I have never seen bigger buds in my life as one of those guys grew. I think he was called Feral or something and was from Australia. I have tried this and i can tell you you get some mighty bushes!!!! They tend to have more lateral growth thanplants cut before 12/12. Does anyone here remebmer NH? And or these guys who used only flowering clones?
 
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atmosphere I'll try this again man,I dont know what you mean by back it up and sorry if I sound a certain way to you,its unintentional.I've always done perpetual grows,and insisted on good "veg" cuttings taken before 12/12,its what I've always done.My mind was open to other things though.Charles explained to me that when doing a true SOG with little or no vegtime,its beneficial to take cuts around 2 weeks into flower to take advantage of the hormonal change taking place,supposedly resulting in more robust cuts faster.I gave this a lot of thought being a veg cut taker it was foreign to me,but began to make sense as I LOOKED INTO IT MORE.Please bro,I can only explain like I did before,I know I've typed this once,maybe twice already.Dont count on me bro to "back somethign up",all I can do is explain it as best I can.I DID MORE RESEARCH.I didnt jump on someone trying to help me out.Charles is 100% correct.
 
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Charles Xavier

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Greetings smilin bob.

You explained the concept well and your patience and perseverance are virtues to be admired. Thank you for the display of support.

Sincerely,
Charles.



Greetings atmosphere.

There seems to be slight degree of debate about what was posted in another thread by myself; allow me to clarify.

All plant processes are controlled hormonally. Rooting is controlled by a group of plant hormones called auxins. Auxins are produced by the apical meristem (top shoot/growing tip) of the plant (incidentally, this is the reason why it is recommended that cuttings have a healthy growing top shoot, and why cuttings without a top shoot take longer to develop roots).

With the commencement of the flowering photoperiod, auxin levels increase- this is known as "the stretch". Approximately two weeks after the commencement of the flowering photoperiod, the specific auxins responsible for rooting are at a peak, hence this juncture becomes the most appropriate time to attempt propagation via cuttings (quicker root set).

Of course, the caveat proposed by smilin bob applies: This method is most useful if the cuttings are to be flowered immediately in a 'sea of green' type grow. This method would not be suitable for commercial clone producers because the mother plants are compromised (forced into the flowering period).

The movement of auxins from the cells where they are produced requires the expenditure of energy- energy provided by photosynthesis. Therefore, it is important (but oftentimes overlooked) that cuttings taken after the commencement of the flowering photoperiod be made to root in a weak nutrient solution (high in Magnesium and Phosphorus), and under relatively intense light (HID), inorder to fully take advantage of the inherent hormonal boost these cuttings possess.

I concur with the point that you made; that being, the object is to have cuttings rooted before the incidence of a pathogenic attack. Ironically, this is the other reason why taking cutting two weeks after the commencement of the flowering photoperiod is to be considered: because of the increased uptake of Potassium that coincides with "the stretch".

Not only does Potassium make the stems more fibrous (more woody), and less prone to soft tissue pathogenic attack, it also plays an essential role in the plants auto-immune system, making it resistant from the inside ,as well as, the outside.

Sincerely,
Charles.
 
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Charles,I believe I met you when I posted that senior Cervantes suggested pulling cuts around two weeks into 12/12.being I've always vegged my cuts several weeks and knowing the negative results that normally occur when cuts are taken after 12/12 then put back into a veg photoperiod,I just couldnt understand this.Years on these forums never gave me an answer I could grasp either,I thought taken cuts during flower was just plain incorrect.You have a gift man,a conciseness I dont see around here and knowledge to back it up.I just want to say thanks again for the clear explanation on this subject,it cleared up a longstanding mystery in my cranialsphere.
 
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atmosphere

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=Charles Xavier Of course, the caveat proposed by smilin bob applies: This method is most useful if the cuttings are to be flowered immediately in a 'sea of green' type grow. This method would not be suitable for commercial clone producers because the mother plants are compromised (forced into the flowering period).
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SOG is popular among commercial growers, but they use clones from vegged mothers instead . They keep the mother plants in veg all the time , and cut clones from it every one or two weeks. Your method requires a specific time to cut the clones and this can only be done once . Thats also why its not suitable for commercial clone producers.
To get things clear : your not putting the clones back to 18/6 , are you ? they are rooted in 12/12 aren't they ? in that case it makes scence.
The movement of auxins from the cells where they are produced requires the expenditure of energy- energy provided by photosynthesis. Therefore, it is important (but oftentimes overlooked) that cuttings taken after the commencement of the flowering photoperiod be made to root in a weak nutrient solution (high in Magnesium and Phosphorus), and under relatively intense light (HID), inorder to fully take advantage of the inherent hormonal boost these cuttings possess.
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They intense light also speeds up the rooting of clones taken in the mothers veg period. as long as humidity is high and enough CO2 and Oxygen are present all the time . This way it is possible to root clones in 3 to 8 days .
Does this go for cuttings taken from a mother that was two weeks on 12/12 ? it probably does . in that case i see the advantage .

But this is not the only way to start you cabin full of plants than flower right away
 
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in my opinion, it would be easier to just re-veg a special plant than to take clones in later flower
 
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