How far into Flower have you used AVID or Floramite. Thanks

[mtn121]

Looking for actual experiences. How far into flower have you used avid or floramite? Thanks

 

[KyndBud]

You can use avid fairly late in flowering because it doesn't leave any lasting residue, but at that point, why spray? The floramite is a different story though. It leaves a residual for up to a month, so don't use it past the 3rd week. I'm a huge fan of Azatrol (organic) which can be used up to the last week before harvest. I spray it once a week from clone to the 5th week in flower and never see a single bug (except maybe a gnat or two here and there). I've seen avid used the 2 weeks before harvest and it didn't seem to leave any residues. I didn't smoke that shit though... I have my organic flowers to burn

Peace
KB

 

[SmokeyPufmaster]

I've used it up to week 4 in flower. It stated on the label that it has a 21 day residual. I would still spray with plain water before harvest to be 100% sure it was washed off. The one thing I would do is to spray with floramite twice within three days to break their life cycle. This should help keep you from having another breakout before the end of harvest.

 

[mtn121]

Smokey- Just to clarify you are referring to using floramite right? Did you spray it all over the plant and flowers or just on the leaves? I was thinking of using a fogger to get a even coating and get everywhere. Plus in my situation individually spraying each plant would be very hard. I was planning to wash the plants for sure at least a couple times. I have to get the bastards eradicated.

Kynd- I would really like to use the avid as I think it might be the best thing. According to my research AVID is more toxic than the Floramite and both are said to stick around for about 30 days or less. Also azatrol is systematic like flora and avid it stays with the plants for awhile to. How are the results with the taste on azatrol.

Sometime I wonder if people make to big of a deal out of using some chemicals. I have a fully organic system. It sucks to compromise that but I would rather compromise organic than have eggs and dead bugs on my flowers. So far there are only mites on the leaves I have to take them out before the put eggs or eat on my flowers. Its scary but I am gonna do it. Just gonna test one plant first then do the rest. I will be able to go 35 days after the last treatment. Hopefully with a few washes it will do the trick. Unorganic in my mind is better than a bug ridden harvest.

 

[KyndBud]

Kynd- I would really like to use the avid as I think it might be the best thing. According to my research AVID is more toxic than the Floramite and both are said to stick around for about 30 days or less. Also azatrol is systematic like flora and avid it stays with the plants for awhile to. How are the results with the taste on azatrol.

mtn, The avid is certainly a much more toxic chemical than floramite, but from what I understand, the avid isn't a systemic insecticide, it's a contact killer. It may enter the leaf pores, but wont actually enter the system of the plant and move throughout. So as long as your not soaking your flowers with it, you should be safe. The residue may last up to two, but it's nearly undetectable at that point and you'll be trimming off anything that was sprayed. Floramite can be an effective control, especially when used with Ovation (kills eggs and larvae of SM), but shouldn't be sprayed more than once or past the 1st week of flowering IMO. After that I would control them with azatrol or maybe a light pyrethrum spray. The Azatrol is similar to the avid and floramite in the sense that it's a contact killer. Although, it is much different because it will not leave any lasting residues and it's considered safe to spray up to the last day before harvest on food crops. Now I wouldn't recommend spraying Azatrol that late, it is a safer alternative to the avid and floramite. Now I also don't think the azatrol has the ability to become systemic either, but it may when it is used as a soil drench. I've heard of a few stories of it controlling a mite population fairly well with a soil drench, however I don't know how accurate their assumptions were. I haven't noticed anything funky in the taste of flowers sprayed with Azatrol into the 6th week. I spray into the 4th or 5th week depending on the season and have no indications of any residuals. Good Luck!

Peace
KB

 

[meduser180056]

your gonna have eggs and dead bugs on your flowers if you use the avid or floramite anyhow. I wouldn't use after week 3. Make sure you wear a respirator suit if you spray that stuff it's very bad for humans.

 

[mtn121]

meduser- How will I have dead bugs and eggs on my flowers if there not any yet. And I treat with avid and floramite. Every 3 days for a week to 9 days. Then throw some hot shot pest strips in afet one last pyrethum bomb. I think I can get every single bug since I am going to be using a fogger to spray the plants. The mist should go everywhere

 

[meduser180056]

my bad I thought you already had em crawling on your buds...

 

[mtn121]

No not yet mostly on the bottoms of just a few plants. My room is tight though. So that's why I wanna stop them dead now so I can avoid that. Then I will harvest the plants I know were infected separate. At that time I will examine the flowers of infected plants and if they are no good I will hash it.I figure start pyrethum bomb avid should be here in 2 days. Then I will fog with the avid every 3rd day for 9 days might or day one fo, day 3 fog day 6 fog. Not sure yet they gotta go. Then I will use hot shot strips and and occasonail omri product as preventive until last 2 weeks. Then I will try and wash them 3 times before final harvest. And hopefully no bugs. Tear down the room clean and rebuild.

 

[SmokeyPufmaster]

Yes I'm talking about Floramite. I like to do it on the fourth week in, because the bugs (eggs) you miss like to start up a colony near the end of flowering and I refuse to spray anything that late. Break their cycle then accept no clones from anyone.

They have beaten me once, wiped out my whole garden. I had to use a rough treatment and the plants suffered and died. Good luck to you.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Neither Avid nor Floramite are cleared for use on food crops within a week of harvest. Cannabis is a food crop. Personally, I wouldn't use it on anything with buds on it. Yeah... sucks to blow a whole crop... that's what preventative measures are there for.
The alternative is exposing the end user to F'd up residues, thanks.

I'm Soooo glad I grow my own stuff and don't have to chance pollution from this crap anymore.


Stay Safe!

 

[zachrockbadenof]

Tear down the room clean and rebuild.

mtm..and there is the problem... how do u clean???.. we r at 7 weeks of flowering, should go another 2 1/2-3 weeks.. we see webs, so its not a slight infestation.. we are spraying with plain water every other nite, to try n keep the population in check... to far into 12/12 to spray/fog anything...

this grow..we sprayed the ladies with floramite about 2 weeks into veg.. and that was the extent of the spraying. normally we will spray floramite 2 weeks into veg, then again 2 weeks later, and a final spray 1-2 weeks into 12/12, and the mite damage is just about nil...

this time we fuk'd up, by trying to reduce the use of floramite as don't want to create a super mite.

but back to the orig question..how do we get rid of em??- after a grow, we clean the room/buckets, spraying bleach on the floor/walls, fogging the room with something stronger then dr. doom, and then as stated above start the spraying regiment with floramite...

we have in the past tried safer soap,neem,tobacco and hot pepper,no pest strips, even coated the buckets with D.E., nothing has worked... even tried predator mites n lady bugs...useless..we would like to rid ourselves of them permenently... if its possible

all suggestions welcomed...

 

[Norkali]

You can use avid fairly late in flowering because it doesn't leave any lasting residue, but at that point, why spray? The floramite is a different story though. It leaves a residual for up to a month, so don't use it past the 3rd week. I'm a huge fan of Azatrol (organic) which can be used up to the last week before harvest. I spray it once a week from clone to the 5th week in flower and never see a single bug (except maybe a gnat or two here and there). I've seen avid used the 2 weeks before harvest and it didn't seem to leave any residues. I didn't smoke that shit though... I have my organic flowers to burn

Peace
KB

What the fuck? Are you crazy? A woman got very sick because of dermal absorption of Avid (highly suspected at least) because she was a trimmer. I would never use that shit period, personally; (and I use floramite,) let alone in flower.

Found the story: Pesticides Made Her Sick, Herb Got Her Well

[SIZE=+2]Pot Shots[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+2]Pesticides Made Her Sick; Herb Got Her Well[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+2]By FRED GARDNER[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+3]A[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]fter six weeks in the hospital, Jane Weirick returned to her home in Hayward in mid-February. She is recovering from a rare, extremely debilitating illness that may have resulted from chemical exposure, according to her Kaiser doctors. Jane is convinced the chemical assault came from Avid, a pesticide that a few growers of "medical" marijuana reportedly spray on their plants to control spider mites.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Jane has been on the cutting edge of the medical marijuana movement -literally- since 1996, when she was responsible for packaging at Dennis Peron's SF Cannabis Buyers Club. After Prop 215 passed, she began trimming and packaged cannabis for growers and for new Bay Area dispensaries.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]When the state forced the SFCBC to close in April '98, leaving thousands of patients without their drug of choice, Jane and Wayne Justmann, Randi Webster and Gary Farnsworth found a building for rent at 350 Divisadero and transformed the drab, vacant space into the San Francisco Patients Resource Center. In 2003 Jane opened her own club in the East Bay while continuing to run her trimming-and-processing service.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]As 2004 was winding down, Jane decided to sell the dispensary. Maybe her body sensed trouble coming and her mind got the message. The trouble arrived, as she tells it, on Thanksgiving. "I thought I had the flu. I was tired, I had a headache, I felt sick. I went to the doctor. They gave me painkillers *hydrocodone. They told me 'Take two of these every four hours.' I did that. After two weeks it occurred to me that I was hooked on the painkillers and decided to kick them, which took me three days. But then I couldn't walk.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]"I kept going downhill through Christmas. New Year's Eve they moved me by ambulance to Kaiser Hayward. Nine neurologists looked at me. They checked for viral meningitis, brain tumors, you name it. It took them 29 days to come up with a diagnosis. Then they moved me to Kaiser Vallejo. When I got there my entire right side was paralyzed. I couldn't talk, couldn't move. I was in total pain, getting dilaudid intravenously every four hours. I couldn't lift my head up.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]"The second day I was there Big Mike came and brought me a joint. Went out in the back and smoked it. I started holding my head up. Next day he brought me another and I held my head up all day. Three days later I could hold my back up. A week later, starting to walk.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]"We don't know if cannabis helped bring me back, but Kaiser Vallejo gave me a place to go smoke. Security would wave. Everyone knew what I was doing. I would have brought a Volcano in but I couldn't use my hands. I signed my name today (2/23), that was a first. I'm learning how to type again, starting to catch up on my emails."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Jane says that when she began packaging extensively for the San Francisco CBC, all the cannabis passing through her hands had been grown outdoors. Now, she estimates, 75 to 80 percent of the cannabis sold in Bay Area dispensaries is grown indoors. The outdoor percentage "goes up somewhat around harvest" for a few months. (Cannabis grown indoors is much more susceptible to spider mites.)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] Avid, manufactured by Syngenta (formerly by Novartis), is a so-called "natural" pesticide, extracted from a soil bacterium. It is applied to plants in the flowering stage. It is classified by the industry as "slightly" toxic, but by entomologists as "highly" toxic.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Jane says that only "five or six" of the vendors for whom she used to trim admit they used Avid, "and only two used it a lot. But we have no idea how much exposure it takes to cause this, so we don't know how many other people might be affected."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Jane regrets working for one vendor who now admits using Avid heavily. "Over the years I trimmed for him, I packaged for him, I quality-controlled for him. I also found out that my next door neighbor was using it and I could have picked it up from the property I was living on. There's been a lot of exposure."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Jane says the onset of her illness was preceded by about seven months by a severe allergic attack. At that time, she says, "I had to stop trimming and packaging because it made me sneeze so bad."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Jane's advice to those who package or trim cannabis: "Wear masks, wear long sleeves, wear gloves, ventilate the area, and don't do it as much as I did."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Jane was off cannabis for about a week and a half when she first went to the hospital. The initial diagnosis was a brain tumor and she received three days of chemotherapy, during which she says she was "Miserable and nauseous, not eating and throwing up. On the second day they didn't give me any painkillers and when I screamed, they shut the door. The third day I ate a bunch of cannabis caramels and slept all night. Woke up, ate breakfast and didn't throw up. The nurses are in there going 'What happened?' And I told them. The doctor came in and I told him what I was doing and he said 'Fine.' So I ate caramels and when I got to Vallejo, Mike came up and we smoked. And when I could use my hands, I went out there myself."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Jane says she was "off cigarettes a lot longer because nobody would bring me those." She's now using her Volcano vaporizer but her fingers are still not nimble enough to load it.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Tod Mikuriya, MD, thinks "presumptive delayed allergic hypersensitivity" is a reasonable diagnosis and advised Weirick to undergo to confirm it. Mikuriya has been been urging since the mid-1990s that cannabis dispensed for medical purposes be screened for pesticide residue. "Patients with HIV and other illnesses that compromise the immune system are at even greater risk [than Weirick]," he observes.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Dr. Russell Jaffe, apprised of Weirick's history, sees "a good chance that a hormone disrupter chemical is at work, perhaps along with its metabolite (epoxide, usually)."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Dr. X comments: "Avid works as a GABA agonist. So if Jane was given any GABA-agonist medications she would have gotten worse (valium or other muscle relaxants, alcohol). If you go to Pubmed, you'll find lots of research that suggests THC decreases GABA in parts of the brain, so Jane's treatment makes sense!" [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]A serious organic agronomist consulted by C Notes comments, "Abamectin [the active ingredient in Avid] is called by some a "soft" pesticide because it's made by a bacterium, it's 'natural.' But just because a toxin is made by a bacterium doesn't mean it's safe for human ingestion. Occasionally people have called to ask what pesticide to use and I say, 'Absolutely no, out of the question.' There need to be cultural practices initiated up front that prevent the need for controlled materials.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]"Prevention is the key, period. There are truly 'soft' materials: Soaps, oils, water pressure. There are tools to contol pests, there's no excuse to use these pesticides -it's greed, it's dumb, it's just not right."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Jane is in a wheelchair as we go to press, but steadily improving. She says she wants to show herself in her current state "to scare people." An irony of her situation is that just prior to falling ill, Jane had been trying to revive the Medical Cannabis Association, a trade group she helped organize in 1998, to promote production and safety standards. Now she's even more committed to the idea.[/SIZE]

 

[obscuredbycloud]

I had to use Floramite in week 3-4, I would be very carefully and make sure I only to spray the underside of the leafs......mite's died no noticeable effects, I would do it again if needed, or found a better way.

 

[KyndBud]

What the fuck? Are you crazy?

Dude, I said it could be sprayed fairly late into flowering, not the day or week before harvest. Don't get it twisted. She probably was trimming some bud that some idiot sprayed Avid on right before harvest. You can use avid into the 5th week of flowering without having any toxic residues at harvest. I wouldn't go saturating my flowers with it, I'd go for the undersides of the leaves. But personally I don't and never will use any of that toxic garbage, only azatrol which is hella safe. However, my buddies have used it into the 6th week (never recommended) and there were never any complaints.

Peace
KB

 

[Lazyman]

I mix FLoramite SC at 1.2ml/gallon with 60 ml of DM Saturator, to make the pesticide more systemic. I've sprayed as late as week 5 in a 9 week strain, but I try to time my last spray to be 3-4 weeks before chop so it has time to flush out. I foliar feed 1-2X a week so this helps with the washing of the plant too.

Oh yeah, and a friend of mine is allergic to Floramite, she almost passed out one day when I was spraying in there.

 

[puntacometa]

If I'm growing in dirt, what about adding Floramite to the water reservoir? Thanks for your posts BTW. Very helpful.

 

[Lazyman]

No it won't work in a res, you need to spray it on foliage.

I like Floramite better than Avid because Avid doesn't kill eggs, Floramite does.

 

[puntacometa]

No it won't work in a res, you need to spray it on foliage.

I like Floramite better than Avid because Avid doesn't kill eggs, Floramite does.

OK then. Much appreciated. Is there an effective miticide that can be used safely when added to the water reservoir and used prior to the flush (I usually flush for 10 days-2 weeks before cutting).

Thanks again.

 

[CranAppleGemz]

I mix FLoramite SC at 1.2ml/gallon with 60 ml of DM Saturator, to make the pesticide more systemic. I've sprayed as late as week 5 in a 9 week strain, but I try to time my last spray to be 3-4 weeks before chop so it has time to flush out. I foliar feed 1-2X a week so this helps with the washing of the plant too.

Oh yeah, and a friend of mine is allergic to Floramite, she almost passed out one day when I was spraying in there.

hey lazy, whats dm saturator???