I realize CA is very strict. Was going to buy it, and saw cancer warning on label. I do not know for sure if that is the chemical. It was hearsay from this or another site.
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How do you get dense bud? Dwc indoors
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I realize CA is very strict. Was going to buy it, and saw cancer warning on label. I do not know for sure if that is the chemical. It was hearsay from this or another site.
I think I might connect another 5gal to the rez. Without a plant in the second bucket, I'll be able to fill the entire bucket with freezable ice packs or frozen bottles. I wouldn't have to lift the lid of the one I would be growing in to check the pH/ppm. And frozen things directly on the roots, sounds kinda bad to me.
Thank you. I appreciate your advice.
Yea, the one on the right I purposely picked out just to show the fluffy structure. The plant had over 30 tops on it, I lst'd a lot during veg. Then it started falling over when flowering, so I made a little frame out of thin steel to tie it up to.
This was on a clone I took from the previous grow. I was feeding lucas formula but not the 'traditional' way he wrote it, I got up to around 2000 ppm @ .5 conversion using 1:2 ratio of micro:bloom. I just top off with pre-mixed nutrients as I see fit. (by ph-ppm readings) No yellowing or nute burn, all lush green.
The strain was unknown bagseed but sativa dominant so I think that contributed to it's lanky-ness. I knew how it would grow somewhat from the previous run so I tried to trim most of the lower stems bare in veg. Shit kept growing down there so I kept cutting.
Thank you!
That's a nice chart, I'll try to keep it in check
Thank you for the compliment.
I'm actually using silica too with lucas.
I'll definitely try the frozen bottles.
Thank you. I appreciate your advice.
Yea, the one on the right I purposely picked out just to show the fluffy structure. The plant had over 30 tops on it, I lst'd a lot during veg. Then it started falling over when flowering, so I made a little frame out of thin steel to tie it up to.
This was on a clone I took from the previous grow. I was feeding lucas formula but not the 'traditional' way he wrote it, I got up to around 2000 ppm @ .5 conversion using 1:2 ratio of micro:bloom. I just top off with pre-mixed nutrients as I see fit. (by ph-ppm readings) No yellowing or nute burn, all lush green.
The strain was unknown bagseed but sativa dominant so I think that contributed to it's lanky-ness. I knew how it would grow somewhat from the previous run so I tried to trim most of the lower stems bare in veg. Shit kept growing down there so I kept cutting.
Thank you!
That's a nice chart, I'll try to keep it in check
Yeah agree on using iced water bottles for ur Rez. Done it myself worked. I used the GH 3 part flora series and it is high in N and my buds were held back until I changed to Lucas formula with powdered Koolbloom and silica. Buds were dense easy trimming. Urs definitely have a nice sugar coating on them
Thank you for the compliment.
I'm actually using silica too with lucas.
I'll definitely try the frozen bottles.
Douglas.Curtis
Autistic Diplomat in Training
15 years with DWC and Lucas and everything is dense, due to a few things I make sure of. This works with all strains and I've primarily grown Sativa-dom hybrids.
#1 I use the Lucas Formula AND Reservoir management methods, with the magnesium difference between strains being handled with varying amounts of epsom salt. The two go hand in hand and you'll get sub-par results (and deficiencies) if you skip the management. Lucas is low in nitrogen, keeping the extra stem and plant content to a minimum, this variable keeps buds denser.
#2 I use 72F as the maximum canopy temp, while keeping the humidity ultra low at 15-20%. You'll have to veg longer, for the same yield as higher temp/RH, since there's less plant matter being pumped out. This creates denser flowers.
#3 At week 2 of flower, trim off any bud sites which are growing a stem to reach for higher light levels. Anything not growing a flower right off the branch is going to be fluffier. Keep all your flower production within the optimal light density zone for dense cannabis.
#4 Stay away from all additives and bottled magic products, until you know how your strains/phenos respond to *Just* NPK and micros. The bottled stuff will increase density, at the cost of quality and cleanliness. Leave it at the growshop.
#5 Feed at a strength which is just enough to support full and vigorous growth. Overfeeding cannabis is too easy, doesn't increase yield and decreases quality. Keep things level and consistent and well below overfeeding.
You'll save yourself a ton of money and aggravation, while enjoying significantly higher quality cannabis.
#1 I use the Lucas Formula AND Reservoir management methods, with the magnesium difference between strains being handled with varying amounts of epsom salt. The two go hand in hand and you'll get sub-par results (and deficiencies) if you skip the management. Lucas is low in nitrogen, keeping the extra stem and plant content to a minimum, this variable keeps buds denser.
#2 I use 72F as the maximum canopy temp, while keeping the humidity ultra low at 15-20%. You'll have to veg longer, for the same yield as higher temp/RH, since there's less plant matter being pumped out. This creates denser flowers.
#3 At week 2 of flower, trim off any bud sites which are growing a stem to reach for higher light levels. Anything not growing a flower right off the branch is going to be fluffier. Keep all your flower production within the optimal light density zone for dense cannabis.
#4 Stay away from all additives and bottled magic products, until you know how your strains/phenos respond to *Just* NPK and micros. The bottled stuff will increase density, at the cost of quality and cleanliness. Leave it at the growshop.
#5 Feed at a strength which is just enough to support full and vigorous growth. Overfeeding cannabis is too easy, doesn't increase yield and decreases quality. Keep things level and consistent and well below overfeeding.
You'll save yourself a ton of money and aggravation, while enjoying significantly higher quality cannabis.
810FireFarm
Active member
colder drying room can help dried density
Thanks for that extremely informative post. I appreciate your advice.
I've had it around 75-85f and 60% humidity the entire grow. With a very long veg.
I've never used epsom salt before, could you say how much I should use per gallon? From what you said it'll differ from different strains but a general guide or rule of thumb would be helpful.
Thanks
Thanks, I'll try that and see how it helps
sock them with nasty nutes lol
Douglas.Curtis
Autistic Diplomat in Training
My pleasure.
Start with half a gram per gallon, mixed in the first res for flowering. I don't add any the rest of the flowering period unless mag deficiency shows. Cutting flower at any time during the grow and quick drying should not sparkle when burned. If it does, you're using too much.
As the plants eat nutes from the res, your pH will slowly rise. Your res size should be large enough to make a pH rise from 5.4 up to 5.8 in about 7-10 days. Faster and the res is too small, slower and it's too large.
I top off with pure r/o once a day and add nutes when the pH reaches 5.8. I rarely spend more than a few minutes daily with the hydro. The majority of the time I spend checking the plants over for potential issues, as any grower should.
Again, read up on the res management methods Lucas recommends, because it'll make your life significantly easier. There's a thread called "Ask Lucas" on the web, read it a few dozen times.
Cool. I'll try to keep an eye on it. I usually check it once in the morning and once at night
yeah I'd rather not! I appreciate your reply.
I usually can't get the light too close because it's only cooled with a little computer fan. But I'll see what I can do.
My pleasure.
Start with half a gram per gallon, mixed in the first res for flowering. I don't add any the rest of the flowering period unless mag deficiency shows. Cutting flower at any time during the grow and quick drying should not sparkle when burned. If it does, you're using too much.
As the plants eat nutes from the res, your pH will slowly rise. Your res size should be large enough to make a pH rise from 5.4 up to 5.8 in about 7-10 days. Faster and the res is too small, slower and it's too large.
I top off with pure r/o once a day and add nutes when the pH reaches 5.8. I rarely spend more than a few minutes daily with the hydro. The majority of the time I spend checking the plants over for potential issues, as any grower should.
Again, read up on the res management methods Lucas recommends, because it'll make your life significantly easier. There's a thread called "Ask Lucas" on the web, read it a few dozen times.
Awesome, that makes perfect sense.
The 5 gal bucket is more like 3 gallons once the roots fill it up, then the pH swings every few days. So I think connecting it to another full 5 gal should help that situation too.
I'll make sure to look into the thread you mentioned. I know I've seen the 'ask lucas' name before, just never really took the time to read through it.
Again, I appreciate your assistance
