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How do the 90s and early 2000s elites stack up to today’s hype strains?
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bigbadbiddy
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I don't think they were ever nor are they now a "breeder" where you can just run their whole stable and rely on their breeding expertise to hit gold everytime.
They always F2ed other people's work and sold their own selection from it under their own label.
AND they never hid that fact or tried to obscure it or anything. Which is what makes them OK in my book.
Where they, by all accounts, got ahead of the curve was their methods of preserving their strains. They simply did that better than many "A-listers" in the meantime and haven't seem to have lost a step, while Sensi et al definitely have. Which is also why their Bubblicious, while originally an F2 of I believe Serious' Bubblegum, gets suggested to anyone looking for Bubblegum, moreso than TH or Serious versions.
But their modus operandi also means that you don't depend on Nirvana's work to strike gold but on the people's work they F2ed (and their subsequent selection from it).
As a result, I would have never said you can look as Nirvana as an actual breeder and trust in their skills and run whatever they have.
If they are hit or miss depends on what they initially got to work with and their luck and skill with it.
So I 100% agree, Nirvana was always a place where, when you had the inside scoop like with the Serious situation, you could get equal or even superior genetics for a fraction of the price of the "originals".
But definitely not everything ...
I still have a pack of Pure Power Plant sitting in my freezer which is from the late 90s. My only remaining pack from my first round of growing. I might throw those in the next run. If they germ, I might have an actual comparison of new vs old school because I am also interested in finally growing some Chemdog genetics (some OG kushes and Diesels). Never had any of those aside from Netherlands coffeeshop stuff and you never really know with that. So am anxious to find out for myself if that Chemdog/OG craze is worth the hype. Might as well throw something actually from the 90s in the same grow to compare.
PDX Dopesmoker
Active member
Are you saying they're asking $1600/seed?
Has to be a typo. That's just ridiculous.
bigbadbiddy
Well-known member
I could see it.
When "Elite Clones" are being sold for 20k a pop, might as well sell "Elite Seeds" for 2k a pop, no?
The Cannabis scene is very vulnerable to that kind of artificial price inflation through hype etc. and the moment someone is willing to pay 2k for a bean, is the moment that bean is actually worth 2k, because the market agreed on it.
It's not like this is the first sector of the economy with such ridiculous markups.
When "Elite Clones" are being sold for 20k a pop, might as well sell "Elite Seeds" for 2k a pop, no?
The Cannabis scene is very vulnerable to that kind of artificial price inflation through hype etc. and the moment someone is willing to pay 2k for a bean, is the moment that bean is actually worth 2k, because the market agreed on it.
It's not like this is the first sector of the economy with such ridiculous markups.
bigbadbiddy
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To me it's the same as someone paying 1K for a truffel or caviar or whatever, know what I mean?
It's a very specific niche market that these people cater to. Call them collectors or rarity hunters or whatever, I am sure they call themselves connoisseurs or whatever.
But for certain people, thousands are what hundreds are to you and me and to certain people, price makes exclusivity itself (see Gucci and Prada bags and the like). And they are willing to pay for said exclusivity.
But I am not trying to defend here or anything, I totally agree with you Brunch, gotta be a bit special to shell out that much for a seed or a clone.
And yeah, imagine that thing doesn't germ, doesn't even matter at this point if it is because you fucked up something yourself or not, lol.
Would be interesting to know the policies on replacement seeds in such scenarios
It's a very specific niche market that these people cater to. Call them collectors or rarity hunters or whatever, I am sure they call themselves connoisseurs or whatever.
But for certain people, thousands are what hundreds are to you and me and to certain people, price makes exclusivity itself (see Gucci and Prada bags and the like). And they are willing to pay for said exclusivity.
But I am not trying to defend here or anything, I totally agree with you Brunch, gotta be a bit special to shell out that much for a seed or a clone.
And yeah, imagine that thing doesn't germ, doesn't even matter at this point if it is because you fucked up something yourself or not, lol.
Would be interesting to know the policies on replacement seeds in such scenarios
grassyknoll
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bcseeds is a well known scam site
insomniac_AU
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Those seeds make the world's longest receipt seem cheap..
and it's “In perfect condition other than cat bite marks in one place.”
https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Worlds...956846?hash=item2109f4c4ae:g:ySAAAOSwWTRWvEF9
and it's “In perfect condition other than cat bite marks in one place.”
https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Worlds...956846?hash=item2109f4c4ae:g:ySAAAOSwWTRWvEF9
Think of those who in the years 60-70 were throwing hundreds of seeds of guerriero, oaxaca, colombian and other out of the window ....��
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Yeah I remember 1/4lbs for $40..$140lb, and was half seeds. Killer stuff.
2 oz of seeds for $70.
2 oz of seeds for $70.
CaptainDankness
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Not much has changed since the 90's, there was dank buds back then and some of them strains still produce dank buds today. We have some new variations but I have yet to see anything new that truly stands out.
Having spent from 1997-2009 in federal prison, and not smoking weed. And the feds getting all of my original 80s-90s gear, and my 1000 clones of Original Haze/NL5 x HP/Sk1
I can 100000% tell you weed is NOT the same, and the genetics have taken a terrible turn for the worse. No ifs, ands or butts about it.
AK47, WHite Widow, White Russian, Kali Mist.. Are Nothing like they used to be. GONE, except for those who kept elite cuts, and Im sure there are people that have multi F generations, and is killer...... But from the original breeders a lot of this shit is GONE.
Sensi Hashplant, G13/HP, NL5, Mr Nice are nothing like they used to be.
Dutch Passion/DJ Short Blueberry ect.. IMHO JUNK vs what they used to be.
All this stuff for the masses is gone, but was readily available in the 80s, and 90s. Some into early 2000s.
Serious Seeds lost the genetics for AK47, WW, WR ect 2 times !!!!
I can 100000% tell you weed is NOT the same, and the genetics have taken a terrible turn for the worse. No ifs, ands or butts about it.
AK47, WHite Widow, White Russian, Kali Mist.. Are Nothing like they used to be. GONE, except for those who kept elite cuts, and Im sure there are people that have multi F generations, and is killer...... But from the original breeders a lot of this shit is GONE.
Sensi Hashplant, G13/HP, NL5, Mr Nice are nothing like they used to be.
Dutch Passion/DJ Short Blueberry ect.. IMHO JUNK vs what they used to be.
All this stuff for the masses is gone, but was readily available in the 80s, and 90s. Some into early 2000s.
Serious Seeds lost the genetics for AK47, WW, WR ect 2 times !!!!
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xavier7995
They are not sending their best. Their not sending you. Their sending bricks with pieces of tire in the middle. Their soaked in gas to get pass the dogs. Their handled poorly. And some i assume is good weed.
that goofy joke never gets old with meI agree that brick weed can be amazing and i happily snag not crushed seeds from folks with good brick. It is certainly hit or miss, but dollar for dollar sexy mexi is a way better value than the 300-400 you pay in an illegal state for bottom shelf dispensary weed.
Been smashfucking some mysterious mexican male into all my plants and am liking what i am getting back. Hearty plants.
Top shelf what? Boring polyhybrids?
One man's top shelf is another man's give to a friend I won't smoke it cannabis.
That's the problem fewer and fewer people understand or have encountered "top shelf".
One man's top shelf is another man's give to a friend I won't smoke it cannabis.
That's the problem fewer and fewer people understand or have encountered "top shelf".
STUPPA
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Not seen or smoked anything like the G since I had it, it is old as they come 30 years maybe , is the biggest yielder i've ever had . Makes me wonder what these so called high yielding strains they have now are about .. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
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So for all of us who dont have the history to fall back and judge old school Sativa strains then vs now, WHAT are 4 or 5 currently available strains in seed form that are the closest to being reminiscent of those days? I was wanting to try some new Cindy 99 or XX but seems like everyone is pretty much saying its not the same either.
I dont care if it takes 10 plus weeks to finish. Im just looking for a GOOD old school sativa heavy or total sativa plant. Love the energetic, work, talk, socialize, fuck type high. I dont like couch lock weed at all.
I dont care if it takes 10 plus weeks to finish. Im just looking for a GOOD old school sativa heavy or total sativa plant. Love the energetic, work, talk, socialize, fuck type high. I dont like couch lock weed at all.
