how can N delay flowering?

[Guest]

Indeed.
One would think that if flowering were to b delayed, then surely this would mean more time for buds to grow bigger and THC to b produced ... In my personal grows, I've always found the longer a strain takes to finish, the more potent it is ... I figure this must b bcoz there's longer for THC to b produced... I guess??? lol

 

[kmk420kali]

*Edited by poster, for incorrect info-- (Sorry )

 

[greekguy]

kali i dont believe N in flowering will revert to veg, but i do believe that:

1:if it just prostpone harvest time by 25% more time thats 25% more time of thc + bud production, and if not 25% its 15% for sure

2: it will increase the internodal legth resulting to bigger buds

 

[kmk420kali]

kali i dont believe N in flowering will revert to veg, but i do believe that:

I am just going to give my apologies...I started drinking very early yesterday, and this morning I have to go check the Boards I post on...to see if I made any other incoherent ramblings...
Somehow, I merged 2 thoughts, and quoted the wrong person...Sorry for "Drunk Posting" :friends:

 

[greekguy]

man ur in the wonderfull garden of marijuana,
why dont u get way from the toxin pool of alcohol

k i must admit that i was never into drinking but i tend to believe that its so useless as cigarettes

+++smth more:
even 1 molecule of alcohol CAN AND WILL kill a brain cell- mary on the other hand...

no needs for sorrys, ur words were the spark that iginited some productive thinking....

 

[trichosaurus]

1:if it just prostpone harvest time by 25% more time thats 25% more time of thc + bud production, and if not 25% its 15% for sure

2: it will increase the internodal legth resulting to bigger buds

Can you show me where you will increase bud production by 15%+ by prolonging N use in flower. I think if it were true then FoxFarm, Botanicare, etc. would love to add more N to their flowering nutes to produce bigger flowers for the grower.
As far as increasing internodal length with more N, it just doesnt make sense. Many sativas have huge internodal but most often produce less. You will have bigger plants and possibly better light distribution but that can be cumbersome for indoor growers. If you want to increase the internodal spacing then use more N in veg. Or, in the case of a pure indica, top or LST. It will increase yield, allow you to save on nutes and not put much unneeded stress on the plant.

 

[greekguy]

if u shine a car u ll make it shiny

if smth make u shining it for twice the time(without slowing ur shining rate), i bet it will get shiner

i dont know if u get what i mean to say by this

and smth more:

ur answer to the flower ferts:




biobizz sais to dont stop its main N additive biogrow only untill flushing(including whole flowering period)-which is a vegetative fert.

so what do you have to say about that ?

ps:it dosent even say to reduce N(bio grow) through flowering.

 

[trichosaurus]

if u shine a car u ll make it shiny

if smth make u shining it for twice the time(without slowing ur shining rate), i bet it will get shiner

i dont know if u get what i mean to say by this

What?? Youre comparing shining your car to growing marijuana plant??

and smth more:

ur answer to the flower ferts:




biobizz sais to dont stop its main N additive biogrow only untill flushing(including whole flowering period)-which is a vegetative fert.

so what do you have to say about that ?

ps:it dosent even say to reduce N(bio grow) through flowering.

That doesnt answer anything. Many nutrients that are put out are for both flowering and non-flowering plants. Non-flowering plants require much more N throughout their life cycle.
I dont stop N use in flower at all. I reduce it dramatically from veg to flower though. PBP Bloom provides all the N that I need in flower. It seems like you started this thread to argue and not discuss the issue.
I dont really care what you feed you plants but there is obviously something wrong with your plants. They are very leafy and I cannot see any trichs on them (maybe the pic). But my point is that, if that is PPP then there is something way wrong. PPP is an extremely frosty plant that has a short flowering time. So you can continue to argue your point and give out false statistics based on nothing or you could read some botany and soil science books to learn what you seek. Either way I wish you good luck.

 

[greekguy]

Dr Greenfing. and me were just talking about n and flowering +how it could help getting more -or- frostier bud
u argued with me so ease up with offensive mode+accusations about false statistics and shit

the more time the plant has to flower the bigger flowers it will produce!!!!
that is not rocket science its common sense, if u fail to see that i rest my case

and not nirvana ppp is not that fast considering breeder sais up to 10 weeks, im on 5th+1/2 so whats the problem???



its also obvious that my ppps lean very much to sativa side=more flowering time than usual



READ THE INSTRUCTIONS ABOUT BIO GROW AGAIN, IT DOESNT SAY NOTHING ABOUT DECREASING IT(THUS DECREASING N) IN FLOWER

think again

ps:if ut hink there is no frost in my buds w8 for the next pic set
ps2:really what is the obvious prbl with my plants as i fail to see it ???

 

[trichosaurus]

Dr Greenfing. and me were just talking about n and flowering +how it could help getting more -or- frostier bud
u argued with me so ease up with offensive mode+accusations about false statistics and shit

I wasnt arguing... I was just answering your initial question concerning nitrogen and its effects on flowering. I didnt realize this was a thread where input was not welcome. Guess you just know everything about marijuana cultivation. BTW how old are you???

the more time the plant has to flower the bigger flowers it will produce!!!!
that is not rocket science its common sense, if u fail to see that i rest my case

Not neccessarily true. Please show me unbiased info backing up your statement that 25% more flower time equates to "FOR SURE" 15-25% greater yield. I would love to see your source on this.

and not nirvana ppp is not that fast considering breeder sais up to 10 weeks, im on 5th+1/2 so whats the problem??? its also obvious that my ppps lean very much to sativa side=more flowering time than usual

I already addressed this earlier in this thread. There is nothing wrong with your plants.

READ THE INSTRUCTIONS ABOUT BIO GROW AGAIN, IT DOESNT SAY NOTHING ABOUT DECREASING IT(THUS DECREASING N) IN FLOWER

think again

Nutrient companies will say anything to sell their product, it does not mean it is the best way to do things. And these same companies are not marijuana focused.... meaning that they sell these nutes for all plants and as we all know, all plants dont have the same needs. So maybe find some text that is not from a nutrient company trying to sell you something.

I am not complaining nor am I arguing but there is a lot of false info that I think should be addressed. Some newb may read this and think that if he loads his plants up with N in flower, that he is going to harvest 4g/watt and that is not happening. I use veg nutes (high N) up until about 1/3 the way through flower to keep my fan leafs healthy. Then I cut the N down for the remaining 2/3 of flower. And I can tell you that I yield plenty of great tasting, high potency, beautiful herbage for my personal stash. That is how I do it, you do it how you do and let me know how it works out.

 

[Guest]

this guy asked if PBP was a strain.......come on. also he said he was a noob to this. but hes been a member since 2005. how could you be a noob, not know what "PBP" is and be a registered user since 2005.

and he said he was a noob to this but yet he is steadfast in beleiving that stressing a plant with incorrect nutes during flowering which inturn makes it take longer will yeild nore bud.

if a plant says it finishes in 9 weeks and you fuck somthing up to where the plant is not going to fill out properly in 9 weeks thats it it wont fill out or squirt no more thc after nine weeks. if id doesnt do its thing right and have the right conditions for the nine weeks it will not pick up after and go a couple more weeks to fill the buds out.

the genetics alow it to flower for 9 weeks and thats it. thats why it is so important to fix all nute deficiancies and problems with the plant before switching to 12/12. or at the very worst all problems have to be fixed by the 2nd. week of flower or flowering will be retarded and yeild will be drastically diminished and potency will be sub-par.

in short 9 weeks is the plants genetic blue print and is stuff goes wrong in those nine weeks, no amount of extra flowering time will bring the buds to what they should have been. 9 weeks of flower and then they stall out and senesence begins.

maybe if you rejuvenate after your sub-mediocre harvest and then go for a second chance of flowering with the same plant. but thats it. all you can do bout that. i

i think maybe you plant isnt flowering properly is because of to high of an ec or ppm value you are feeding them. soil plants dont need anything higher than 1.2 ec in flower. cannabis would rather have two light feeds of 600ppm than one strong one at 1200ppm.

1.2 ec for soil in flower is maxing out imho. i rarely go 1.2 ec unless the plant show it needs it and seldom do they i usually feed .8 ec every 5 days and they go ffast big and potent. and yeild as good as some of my past "true hydro" grows and my friends current hydro grows.

all with pbp pirahna tarantula voodoo bud blood big bud and carboload. and karma

 

[clowntown]

Not everyone spends a lot of time after registration learning about this hobby... Not everyone knows what PBP is... and not everyone needs to...

A span of time between initial interest and present doesn't mean anything other than that time has passed.

 

[Dr Dog]

Guys PBP is Pure Blend Pro
I use it for flowering stage and veg stage

 

[Guest]

Lets clear up some facts then shall we (seen as everyone is having a bitch at someone else lol)

if a plant says it finishes in 9 weeks and you fuck somthing up to where the plant is not going to fill out properly in 9 weeks thats it it wont fill out or squirt no more thc after nine weeks. if id doesnt do its thing right and have the right conditions for the nine weeks it will not pick up after and go a couple more weeks to fill the buds out.

Partly, but not entirely tru .... Marijuana is EXTREMELY adaptable (variable by strain) It is an annual plant that can be kept as a perennial, (not many plants can do that), flowering times vary depending on genetics/growing conditions, that is why most breeders (who are actually worth a penny) will say the flowering time is FROM 10 weeks TO 12 weeks or something similar, there's usually 2-3 weeks between the two times ... No good breeder (that i know of lol) says this plant flowers in 8 weeks, exactly 8 weeks, no more, no less.

in short 9 weeks is the plants genetic blue print and is stuff goes wrong in those nine weeks, no amount of extra flowering time will bring the buds to what they should have been. 9 weeks of flower and then they stall out and senesence begins.

Nobody mentioned anything bout extra flowering time "FIXING" any problem... however, wat u say is true.

2: it will increase the internodal legth resulting to bigger buds

Increasing internodal length DECREASES the amount of bud produced, each node is a "bud site" (where buds are produced from) ... Therefor the MORE nodes u have the CLOSER together the MORE bud will b produce and it will b more compact/solid ... Buds dnt grow on bare stem between nodes, they grow from the nodes.
(E.g - If u hav a 1 foot stem with 6 nodes spaced along it u will not get as much bud at harvest as a 1 foot stem with 12 nodes along it)


- Increased flowering time WILL increase bud size and WILL produce more THC, not huge amounts more .. bt a small amount more. This is of course assuming ur plant is actually still flowering (as in the hairs aren't turning brown etc.)


... Anyway, that's wat I hav to say, anyone can argue with me all they want but I hav no problem as long as I'happy with my bud and ur happy with urs lol

Cheers all!

 

[Guest]

what greek was saying is that now that his plant arent filling out properly or whatever his problem was. they are not going to finish within the stated time the breeder said it would. so he then goes to say that this is a good thing casue it will make flowering longer to finish and consequentialy make a bigger yeild.NO

if if anything need to be said we can agrree on that the middle weeks of flower (after the first 2-3 wks and before the last 2 wks) is when the bud put on the wieght and potency we are after right? yes so is those weeks are plagued by bad gardening and nute mistakes. letting them go longer will NOT get them back to how they should of been let them go for another month and all you will have is small wispy buds that lost the only hope of being any good because they are over ripe and the thc that was produced is now overly ripe to the point of almost total degredation.(no high)

so why dont guy with 8-9 week strains let them go for another month to grow more buds? ill tell you why because they wont. they have a genetic threshold on how much bud they can produce and when they can produce that bud whch is the critical weeks 3,4,5,6,7, 8th week or 9th week is for ripening of the bud and really there is not many gains to be made in the final week to 10 days of flower.plian and simple.