How bad for your health actualy is cannabis?

[jaykush]

hahahahahahaha do you feel like you have been smoking ciggs for 10 years? I dont think you would be no where near as healthy. but also it really depends on what your smoking. some shwagg would be almost as bad as a cigg i would say. some fine grown organic with a good flush and cure would be no where near as bad as the shwagg. ive heard the leaves have a lot of the tar in them compared to the buds, not 100% sure but if i smoke a nug thats all leafy its deff more harsh and devastating to the lungs.

 

[Guest]

this is a very good article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_issues_and_the_effects_of_cannabis

I don't feel smoking cannabis has harmed me in any significant way.

here is a humourous piece of propaganda I ripped off the wall of a community center.

 

[9Lives]

Know the facts...lol..

Master of the obvious contest ?

THC is 20x stronger...that really got me CONSULT A CHEMIST! There must be one in every school...

 

[robobond]

Hmm who knew a joint could be laced with lsd considering its not active when put to that kind of heat. For health effect on cannabis I suggest http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_health.shtml

Cannabis can be harmful for your health but can also be beneficial just like alcohol for instance. Too much can harm you. Marijuana actually has the effect of relaxing your capilaries unlike nicotine which constricts them. Marijuana does prevent alzheimers along with possibly preventing tumor growth however more study atleast I feel should be done in that area to make sure of that. Otherwise we would be no better than those against cananbis snatching up every study, whether it be scientific or not, and parading it to help our cause.

 

[sttb]

44 years old ben smokin sense i was 16 everyday pretty much i still run and i run the mile in 8.5 minutes no bullshit never smoked them dam cigs either those things are yur killers

 

[HCSmyth]

I remember hearing awhile back that it is the commercial fertilizers the tobacco industry uses which greatly increase the harm to humans. Not sure if this is an urban myth but I always think about this prior harvesting cannabis in making sure I flush my plants well.

 

[HeadyPete]

Yes I tend to agree with you about the chem ferts, HC.

I love the propaganda, long on inference but short on facts. I also love the myth of laced pot. Yah, someone is gonna take a 10/gram substance, spray it with a 50/gram substance and sell it for 10 dollars/gram. Sure...

So basically this is saying, "Beware the 'Rap Era'".....hahahahahaha! I think I peed a little...

Question 6 - Why do youth use marijuana? Answer G - To get high, stupid!

 

[Guest]

HC, I don't think flushing would do much, if your using commerical ferts. Just go organic, probably won't have to worry about it then.

 

[Guest]

I have a friend who used to grow tobacco,he told me even if you did use organics,the dry/curing method of the tobacco would have to be perfect,because thats where its at,you could use the best organics in this wolrd,but if u mess up and dry it to quick or 2 slow,its gonna be yellow and kill your lungs.cannabis isnt the best thing in this world,but atleast there arent any acknowledgable deaths caused from it.my graph says 400,000 deaths from tobacco.i can post it if you would like.A vape,would be great.But how many can actually afford something like that.I mean comeon 500 thats more then mosts paycheck,you would have to have a good job to afford that,and the good jobs are provided by people higher up,who have drug tests all the time,so you really couldnt smoke,so what would be the point of buying 1.bongs r the next best thing to a vape....for me anyway.Is it just me or does everyone else roflmao when reading crazy sign like fink posted.Hopefully you can find less harmeful ways to express who you are,like what perscription pills,that causes 20,000 deaths....yeah right give me a break.if it wasnt for cannabis,this world would probally be in a severe drought of unhappy people.

 

[Guest]

Hmm, I just read a study that talked about how black tobacco is worse for you than yellow. Air dried tobacco turns black I guess. I kinda browsed the study. I noticed an internet discussion talking about why Japans smoke more than the US but are healthier and have less tobacco-related deaths. One of the posters said it could be how the tobacco is cured.

But yeah, who knows. I think there is a lot more to research. They need to look at the effects of additives, organic vs chemical fertilizers, curing methods, and also the effects of DOSAGE.

I also think they need to look at reasons why cigarettes are addictive. I think one of the reasons is some of the additives, especially ammonia. I remember after 6 months of smoking organic american spirits, I happened to smoke a Camel. At the time, my 1 cigarette a day smoke sessions were a meditative time for me.

So, I went outside with this camel, and look towards the heavens as I said thanks for the plant. It didn't take more than a few drags, and I got this total rush. But, the way I experienced it, was like God, or something was coming down from the heavens, or I was being sucked into the heavens. I was also high so that played into it. But the point being, the Camel had totally different effects. I think the rush is how they get you addicted. It hits you so damn fast, probably like crack cocaine or heroin. In fact, this is probably why they say its as addictive as heroin.

No matter where you are, you know that if you just take a few drags, you will get that rush. With American Spirits though, or other cigs that don't have that rush, its not the same experience. Its a good experience, but I think not as addictive.

 

[Deft]

I'm starting to get the cough after smoking every day or so. Could just be my cold though, but my throat has gotten used to heavy smoke and so have my lungs which is kinda disconserting.

 

[Guest]

I think the reason why tobacco has less tar than cannabis is because most people don't cure their weed until it's brown and A LOT of the chemicals and elements within the plant are still in long chains which means when the plant is burned they will create more tar. Just a thought.

Tobacco on the other hand is cured until it's brown and therefore not as much tar.

I also notice brown weed doesn't build up tar in a pipe as fast as green weed. I personally LOVE brown weed when it is potent BUT these are hard to find because most of these come from the islands or the african continent. Peace.

 

[TNTBudSticker]

I heard farmers use just Organics when growing tobacco..not chem..cuz it's too poisonous

 

[Guest]

no thats not true

 

[robotwithdreams]

Just a quick copy and paste from another site real quick.

Just keep in mind everything is propaganda, wheater true or false, wheather its the pro side or the anti side.
Just some for our side:

Top 10 Marijuana Studies Government Wished it Never Funded



10) MARIJUANA USE HAS NO EFFECT ON MORTALITY: A massive study of California
HMO members funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) found
marijuana use caused no significant increase in mortality. Tobacco use was
associated with increased risk of death. Sidney, S et al. Marijuana Use and
Mortality. American Journal of Public Health. Vol. 87 No. 4, April 1997. p.
585-590. Sept. 2002.

9) HEAVY MARIJUANA USE AS A YOUNG ADULT WON’T RUIN YOUR LIFE: Veterans
Affairs scientists looked at whether heavy marijuana use as a young adult
caused long-term problems later, studying identical twins in which one twin
had been a heavy marijuana user for a year or longer but had stopped at
least one month before the study, while the second twin had used marijuana
no more than five times ever. Marijuana use had no significant impact on
physical or mental health care utilization, health-related quality of life,
or current socio-demographic characteristics. Eisen SE et al. Does Marijuana
Use Have Residual Adverse Effects on Self-Reported Health Measures,
Socio-Demographics or Quality of Life? A Monozygotic Co-Twin Control Study
in Men. Addiction. Vol. 97 No. 9. p.1083-1086. Sept. 1997

8) THE “GATEWAY EFFECT” MAY BE A MIRAGE: Marijuana is often called a
“gateway drug” by supporters of prohibition, who point to statistical
“associations” indicating that persons who use marijuana are more likely to
eventually try hard drugs than those who never use marijuana — implying that
marijuana use somehow causes hard drug use. But a model developed by RAND
Corp. researcher Andrew Morral demonstrates that these associations can be
explained “without requiring a gateway effect.” More likely, this federally
funded study suggests, some people simply have an underlying propensity to
try drugs, and start with what’s most readily available. Morral AR,
McCaffrey D and Paddock S. Reassessing the Marijuana Gateway Effect.
Addiction. December 2002. p. 1493-1504.

7) PROHIBITION DOESN’T WORK (PART I): The White House had the National
Research Council examine the data being gathered about drug use and the
effects of U.S. drug policies. NRC concluded, “the nation possesses little
information about the effectiveness of current drug policy, especially of
drug law enforcement.” And what data exist show “little apparent
relationship between severity of sanctions prescribed for drug use and
prevalence or frequency of use.” In other words, there is no proof that
prohibition — the cornerstone of U.S. drug policy for a century — reduces
drug use. National Research Council. Informing America’s Policy on Illegal
Drugs: What We Don’t Know Keeps Hurting Us. National Academy Press, 2001. p.
193.

6) PROHIBITION DOESN’T WORK (PART II: DOES PROHIBITION CAUSE THE “GATEWAY
EFFECT”?): U.S. and Dutch researchers, supported in part by NIDA, compared
marijuana users in San Francisco, where non-medical use remains illegal, to
Amsterdam, where adults may possess and purchase small amounts of marijuana
from regulated businesses. Looking at such parameters as frequency and
quantity of use and age at onset of use, they found no differences except
one: Lifetime use of hard drugs was significantly lower in Amsterdam, with
its “tolerant” marijuana policies. For example, lifetime crack cocaine use
was 4.5 times higher in San Francisco than Amsterdam. Reinarman, C, Cohen,
PDA, and Kaal, HL. The Limited Relevance of Drug Policy: Cannabis in
Amsterdam and San Francisco. American Journal of Public Health. Vol. 94, No.
5. May 2004. p. 836-842.

5) OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER (PART I): Federal researchers
implanted several types of cancer, including leukemia and lung cancers, in
mice, then treated them with cannabinoids (unique, active components found
in marijuana). THC and other cannabinoids shrank tumors and increased the
mice’s lifespans. Munson, AE et al. Antineoplastic Activity of Cannabinoids.
Journal of the National Cancer Institute. Sept. 1975. p. 597-602.

4) OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER, (PART II): In a 1994 study the
government tried to suppress, federal researchers gave mice and rats massive
doses of THC, looking for cancers or other signs of toxicity. The rodents
given THC lived longer and had fewer cancers, “in a dose-dependent manner”
(i.e. the more THC they got, the fewer tumors). NTP Technical Report On The
Toxicology And Carcinogenesis Studies Of 1-Trans-
Delta-9-Tetrahydrocannabinol, CAS No. 1972-08-3, In F344/N Rats And B6C3F
Mice, Gavage Studies. See also, “Medical Marijuana: Unpublished Federal
Study Found THC-Treated Rats Lived Longer, Had Less Cancer,” AIDS Treatment
News no. 263, Jan. 17, 1997.

3) OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER (PART III): Researchers at the
Kaiser-Permanente HMO, funded by NIDA, followed 65,000 patients for nearly a
decade, comparing cancer rates among non-smokers, tobacco smokers, and
marijuana smokers. Tobacco smokers had massively higher rates of lung cancer
and other cancers. Marijuana smokers who didn’t also use tobacco had no
increase in risk of tobacco-related cancers or of cancer risk overall. In
fact their rates of lung and most other cancers were slightly lower than
non-smokers, though the difference did not reach statistical significance.
Sidney, S. et al. Marijuana Use and Cancer Incidence (California, United
States). Cancer Causes and Control. Vol. 8. Sept. 1997, p. 722-728.

2) OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER (PART IV): Donald Tashkin, a UCLA
researcher whose work is funded by NIDA, did a case-control study comparing
1,200 patients with lung, head and neck cancers to a matched group with no
cancer. Even the heaviest marijuana smokers had no increased risk of cancer,
and had somewhat lower cancer risk than non-smokers (tobacco smokers had a
20-fold increased lung cancer risk). Tashkin D. Marijuana Use and Lung
Cancer: Results of a Case-Control Study. American Thoracic Society
International Conference. May 23, 2006.

1) MARIJUANA DOES HAVE MEDICAL VALUE: In response to passage of California’s
medical marijuana law, the White House had the Institute of Medicine (IOM)
review the data on marijuana’s medical benefits and risks. The IOM
concluded, “Nausea, appetite loss, pain and anxiety are all afflictions of
wasting, and all can be mitigated by marijuana.” While noting potential
risks of smoking, the report added, “we acknowledge that there is no clear
alternative for people suffering from chronic conditions that might be
relieved by smoking marijuana, such as pain or AIDS wasting.” The
government’s refusal to acknowledge this finding caused co-author John A.
Benson to tell the New York Times that the government “loves to ignore our
report … they would rather it never happened.” Joy, JE, Watson, SJ, and
Benson, JA. Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. National
Academy Press. 1999. p. 159. See also, Harris, G. FDA Dismisses Medical
Benefit From Marijuana. New York Times. Apr. 21, 2006
http://www.nerdshit.com/wordpress/?p=2179

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" Researchers have recently discovered that certain areas of the central
nervous system (brain and spinal cord) have many THC receptors, while others
have very few or none. Receptors have also been found in other parts of the
body, specifically the spleen and the hematopoetic tissues.

Even though marijuana can be used in many ways, smoking it seems to be the
most popular. Following inhalation of smoke, the marijuana is rapidly
absorbed by the lungs, and into the blood, where it produces its effects
through specific binding (attachment) with endogenous THC receptors in the
brain.

The THC receptors act like a keyhole, and are the binding sites for various
brain chemicals (neurotransmitters). When neurotransmitters are attached to
the receptors they instruct brain cells (neurons) to activate and regulate
various brain and body functions.

Delta 9-THC in marijuana can augment brain dopamine neurotransmission, and
appears to have effects on the brain reward system similar to other drugs of
abuse. Also, Delta 9-THC binds with the mu receptors (opioid receptors),
which are involved in the pathways that lead to the release of our own
natural pain killing chemicals. This may explain the euphoric morphine-like
effects (getting high) reported by marijuana users.

In the brain, the highest concentration of THC receptors are the CB1
receptors. These receptors are found in the hippocampus (where memory is
formed), cerebellum (deals with coordinating movements and balance),
amygdala, cortex and the basal ganglia. In the body, the presence of THC
receptors, known as CB2 receptors (found only in the spleen and immune
cells), may explain the effects of marijuana on the immune (body's natural
defense) system.

Marijuana differs from other drugs of abuse by the locations of its brain
receptor sites. There are not many CB1 receptors in the medulla of the brain
(where vital functions such as heart rate and respiration are controlled).
This would explain the lack of fatalities from marijuana. In 1992,
scientists discovered that the brain produces Anandamide (Sanskrit for
eternal bliss), a compound similar to THC. Its effects and functions are
undergoing further study.

For thousands of years, marijuana has been used in many cultures around the
world for medicinal purposes. Some of these include:

* treatment of neuralgias
* headaches (including migraines)
* tic douloureaux
* depressant
* anxiety
* anorexia nervosa
* asthma
* chronic diarrhea
* oxytocic
* anti-tussive
* topical anesthetic
* antiseptic (specially wounds)
* pain management during labor
* leprosy
* malaria
* sepsis
* anthrax
* dysentery
* tetanus
* aphtous ulcers
* gingivitis

In recent years, marijuana in the form of an FDA-approved pill, Marinol or
Nabilone, has been used to stimulate appetite and reduce the nausea
associated with cancer and chemotherapy.

Other potential benefits and uses of marijuana and metabolites are under
investigation. They include:

* As an adjunct agent for opiate, cocaine and alcohol addiction, reducing
use and easing the symptoms associated with withdrawal from these more
damaging drugs.
* In veterinary medicine.
* In regulating the immune system.
* To protect the brain from strokes and trauma damage.
* To alleviate pre-treatment anxiety in those receiving chemotherapy.
* In the treatment of glaucoma by reducing intraoccular pressure.
* In the treatment of Multiple Sclerosis, by reducing muscle pain and
spasticity, improving bladder control, relieving tremors and decreasing
seizures. In animal models of diseases similar to MS, it has been used to
reduce attacks on the nerves.
* To improve appetite and muscle mass in the elderly with dementia and other
wasting syndromes.
* As a potent antioxidant and anti-inflammatory.
-----------http://www.medmjscience.org/Pages/science/vinciguerra.html
"Fifty-six patients who had no Improvement with standard antiemetic agents
were treated and 78% demonstrated a positive response to marijuana."

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/23/1728_57309
"New research shows that marijuana use is not associated with an increased
risk of head, neck, or lung cancers."

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/armentano-p1.html
"Then in 2000, Guzman’s team reported in the journal Nature Medicine that
injections of synthetic THC eradicated malignant gliomas (brain tumors) in
one-third of treated rats, and prolonged life in another third by six
weeks."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,148518,00.html
The findings showed that “cannabinoids work both to prevent inflammation and
to protect the brain,” says researcher Maria de Ceballos in a news release.
That “may set the stage for [cannabinoids’] use as a therapeutic approach
for [Alzheimer’s disease].”

yet weed is still a schedule 1 drug(
http://www.dea.gov/pubs/scheduling.html
)..."Schedule I is reserved for the most dangerous drugs that have no
recognized medical use, while ScheduleV is the classification used for the
least dangerous drugs
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http://www.adrugwarcarol.com/
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any study that still holds the gateway drug theory to be true as well as
blatantly lying by saying it causes psycological dependance.
http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/0509.html
"Regular users of marijuana can develop a marked tolerance to the drug, but
physical dependence characterized by significant withdrawal symptoms has not
been well established in either human or animal studies. Marijuana remains a
complex and poorly understood drug-- further research is needed to determine
its precise physiological and psychological effects."

you obviously chose not to read any of my previous post where i showed you
all of the studies that shows that thc actually fights cancer, not causes
it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4417261.stm
"Swiss researchers found THC, one of 60 cannabinoids in the drug, helped
stop the narrowing of arteries to the brain and heart in a study of mice."


http://paranoia.lycaeum.org/marijuana/facts/mj-health-mythology.html#myth16
"The evidence [on immune suppression] has been contradictory and is more
supportive of some degree of immunosuppression only when one considers in
vitro studies. These have been seriously flawed by the very high
concentrations of drug used to produce immunosuppression. The closer that
experimental studies have been to actual clinical situations, the less
compelling has been the evidence."

"There is no reason to think marijuana is dangerous to AIDS patients. On the
contrary, many AIDS patients report that marijuana helps avert the deadly
"wasting syndrome" by stimulating appetite and reducing nausea. Cannabinoids
do not actually damage the T-cells, which are depleted in HIV patients: one
study even found that marijuana exposure increased T-cell counts in subjects
(not AIDS patients) whose T-cell counts had been low."

"According to the NAS, the effects of marijuana on blood pressure are
complex, depending on dose, administration, and posture.(7) Marijuana often
produces a temporary, moderate increase in blood pressure immediately after
ingestion; however, heavy chronic doses may slightly depress blood pressure
instead. One common reaction is to cause decreased blood pressure while
standing and increased blood pressure while lying down, causing people to
faint if they stand up too quickly. There is no evidence that pot use causes
persisting hypertension or heart disease; some users even claim that it
helps them control hypertension by reducing stress.

One thing THC does do is to increase pulse rates for about an hour. This is
not generally harmful, since exercise does the same thing, but it may cause
problems to people with pre-existing heart disease. Chronic users may
develop a tolerance to this and other cardiovascular reactions."


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/02/050224111638.htm
Marijuana Ingredient May Stall Decline From Alzheimer's

WASHINGTON, DC February 17, 2005 -- New research shows that a synthetic
analogue of the active component of marijuana may reduce the inflammation
and prevent the mental decline associated with Alzheimer's disease.

 

[Sleepy]

good discussion...

good discussion...

i have been using my vape for a while now...

when i have had an occaisional bonghit, i really suffer!

guess i'm getting old!